Prisoners 'to be chipped like dogs'

[douglas9]

Source: The Independent (UK)

Ministers are planning to implant "machine-readable" microchips under the skin of thousands of offenders as part of an expansion of the electronic tagging scheme that would create more space in British jails.

Amid concerns about the security of existing tagging systems and prison overcrowding, the Ministry of Justice is investigating the use of satellite and radio-wave technology to monitor criminals.

But, instead of being contained in bracelets worn around the ankle, the tiny chips would be surgically inserted under the skin of offenders in the community, to help enforce home curfews. The radio frequency identification (RFID) tags, as long as two grains of rice, are able to carry scanable personal information about individuals, including their identities, address and offending record.

The tags, labelled "spychips" by privacy campaigners, are already used around the world to keep track of dogs, cats, cattle and airport luggage, but there is no record of the technology being used to monitor offenders in the community. The chips are also being considered as a method of helping to keep order within prisons.

Read more: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article3333852.ece

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Can we be far behind?

[MadHound]

1. Yep, coming here next.

They'll start with the most despised group, sex offenders, and the most vunerable group, kids, and then slowly but surely spread chips to the rest of us.

I will refuse, I don't want to have my every move tracked. I feel that I'm already surveiled entirely too much as it is.

[saigon68]

2. The MARK of the Beast

[Robb]

18. Yay!

Finally. Where's my flaming sword?!?

[Nihil]

49. Where you flaming left it!

:P

[aquart]

3. Those chips are causing cancer in dogs.

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rfid+chips+dogs+cancer&btnG=Search>

[douglas9]

13. Thanks N/T

[Robb]

19. I read the article you linked to:

Good info, but:

"Tens of thousands of dogs have been chipped, she said, and veterinary pathologists haven't reported outbreaks of related sarcomas in the area of the neck, where canine implants are often done. (Published reports detailing malignant tumors in two chipped dogs turned up in AP's four-month examination of research on chips and health. In one dog, the researchers said cancer appeared linked to the presence of the embedded chip; in the other, the cancer's cause was uncertain.)"

Thanks nonetheless.

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. I guess that might help decrease the prison population

[lynnertic]

4. Lessee... 4th, 8th Amendment rights protect us from this.

We have a right to be secure in our PERSONS from illegal search/seizure,
we are protected against cruel and unusual punishment.

[ConcernedCanuk]

5. "from illegal search/seizure" - ILLEGAL being the operative word

.
.

So they will just make it LEGAL

simple . . .

oh!

on that cruel and unusual punishment thingy?

Ya know torture is ok now, right?

Welcome to the new and improved USS of A

[lynnertic]

10. Well. if it's causing cancer in dogs

it's hard to justify legalizing the practice. Even here, with this Congress.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

15. And yet knowing full well that they caused cancer in lab rats the FDA approved them for human use.

No one cared enough about possible health risk to even reread the studies. Let alone began studies that would actually prove or disprove the dangers of using RFID chips in humans.

Instead Verichip handed them their "proof" they were safe and they rubber stamped the report.

I'm not yet convinced the cancer causing effect of RFID chips is enough to keep them out of American humans.

[CGowen]

14. they just use the NSA constitution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwtb1HvLaE

[struggle4progress]

32. Actual language is against "unreasonable searches and seizures," rather

parallel to the Canadian charter's "unreasonable searches or seizures"

[Double T]

6. The people have the POWER to STOP this.

[oldhippie]

38. No they don't .........

The British subjects have been disarmed by their masters in government. They can't stop it any more than the subjects in Darfur or Somalia.

[Double T]

41. There's ALWAYS torches, pitchforks and battering rams...........

when THINGS have gone too far, it's time to start over!

[superconnected]

57. Uh, against tazers and guns?

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. Having the power to do something the the desire to do something are two different things

[flashl]

7. Tick ... Tick ... Tick ... Its just a matter of time ...

RFID for medical and security

Bosses will probably find other ways to get under your skin, but thanks to California lawmakers they won't be allowed to stick little electronic ID badges into your flesh ...

In 2006, a Cincinnati video surveillance company called Citywatcher.com raised eyebrows when it required employees who work in its secure data center to be implanted with a chip ...

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2004 approved an RFID tag for humans called VeriChip, which allows healthcare workers to access a person's medical history in the event the person couldn't communicate. Those tags reportedly have been implanted in 2,000 people ...

VeriChip also has clients around the world that want to use human implantation as a form of identification, Simitian said. The attorney general of Mexico and 18 of his staff members were implanted with chips to allow them to get into high-security areas ...

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Verichip Injects Itself Into Immigration Debate

Company Pushes RFID Implants for Immigrants, Guest Workers

Scott Silverman, Chairman of the Board of VeriChip Corporation, has alarmed civil libertarians by promoting the company's subcutaneous human tracking device as a way to identify immigrants and guest workers. He appeared on the Fox News Channel earlier this week, the morning after President Bush called for high-tech measures to clamp down on Mexican immigrants.

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[Stump]

8. Chill out guys...

The government just wants to protect us and make us safe by knowing where we are and what we're up too all the time. Y'all are just paranoid. :sarcasm:

[Orsino]

39. My chip agrees...

...and invites you all to relax with an ice-cold refreshing Coca-Cola.

[PassingFair]

51. Yes, if you haven't done anything wrong....

then you have nothing to worry about.

:scared:

[Name removed]

9. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[balantz]

28. I just watched that movie yesterday too.

Interesting flick.

[Maine-ah]

11. I'm gonna get so flamed for this....

I have no problem with using these chips in the manner they are suggesting.

"The move is in line with a proposal from Ken Jones, the president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), that electronic chips should be surgically implanted into convicted paedophiles and sex offenders in order to track them more easily. Global Positioning System (GPS) technology is seen as the favoured method of monitoring such offenders to prevent them going near "forbidden" zones such as primary schools."

[cullen2382]

12. All sex offenders?

The problem with sex offender laws are they don't distinguish between the pedophile and the seventeen year old who had sex with his fifteen year old girlfriend.

Also, if we start putting chips into sex offenders, then inmates in general, where does this stop?? Those last two examples would be for the common goods safety. So, what next? Chip in everybody so we know where all the terrorists are? After all, that would be for our safety.:sarcasm:

[Maine-ah]

17. I do think that *our* sex offender laws

need to be more specific in their charges, and distinctions between offenses need to be made. As for where does it stop? It stops right there. I think that even for serious violent offenders, repeat offenders ect.... this is not a bad idea.

To address the cancer causing from the poster below, then there should be more research into these chips before they are implanted into people or animals.

[NoBorders]

59. If had a choice between an ankle bracelet and a chip

I'd choose the chip. At least you could walk around in public without constant humiliation. Not that I'm endorsing this.

[ohio2007]

20. Crime doesn't pay when future Amber Alerts could bring swift justice

Chip implants or, as is done in other countries, limb amputations for criminals.

which is the more humane?

[kcass1954]

34. Once all the "good" amerikans are chipped, then they'll know that the

rest of them are either terrorists or illegal immigrants.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. These chips cause cancer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/08/AR2007090800997_pf.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/technology/11micro.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/10/rfid_chip_cancer_link/

[kurth]

21. California has banned RFID implants for humans

California Law Outlaws RFID Implant Mandate
by Mandalit del Barco

January 1, 2008 · Beginning Jan. 1, no one in California can be forced to get Radio Frequency Identification Devices — also called RFID implants.

These tiny chips with miniature antennae can be implanted under the skin. They raise many privacy and health concerns. Advocates say laws might hamper important uses of the technology.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17762244

[tbyg52]

30. Any bets as to how long

it will take BushCo to say they aren't allowed to do that?

[noamnety]

55. "advocates say"

obvious question: advocates for whom?

[seafan]

22. This is Chertoff's dream, to track the movements of every last one of us.

But most people are not aware of this.

Though FDA approved, microchip implants linked to animal cancer, September 8, 2007

The article link is obsolete now, but there are many clips from it in the thread.




Prisoners 'to be chipped like dogs'

By Brian Brady, Whitehall Editor
13 January 2008

Ministers are planning to implant "machine-readable" microchips under the skin of thousands of offenders as part of an expansion of the electronic tagging scheme that would create more space in British jails.
Amid concerns about the security of existing tagging systems and prison overcrowding, the Ministry of Justice is investigating the use of satellite and radio-wave technology to monitor criminals. ..... The tags, labelled "spychips" by privacy campaigners, are already used around the world to keep track of dogs, cats, cattle and airport luggage, but there is no record of the technology being used to monitor offenders in the community. The chips are also being considered as a method of helping to keep order within prisons.

A senior Ministry of Justice official last night confirmed that the department hoped to go even further, by extending the geographical range of the internal chips through a link-up with satellite-tracking similar to the system used to trace stolen vehicles. "All the options are on the table, and this is one we would like to pursue," the source added. .....
The Independent on Sunday has now established that ministers have been assessing the merits of cutting-edge technology that would make it virtually impossible for individuals to remove their electronic tags.
The tags, injected into the back of the arm with a hypodermic needle, consist of a toughened glass capsule holding a computer chip, a copper antenna and a "capacitor" that transmits data stored on the chip when prompted by an electromagnetic reader.

But details of the dramatic option for tightening controls over Britain's criminals provoked an angry response from probation officers and civil-rights groups. Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said: "If the Home Office doesn't understand why implanting a chip in someone is worse than an ankle bracelet, they don't need a human-rights lawyer; they need a common-sense bypass.
"Degrading offenders in this way will do nothing for their rehabilitation and nothing for our safety, as some will inevitably find a way round this new technology."

Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of the National Association of Probation Officers, said the proposal would not make his members' lives easier and would degrade their clients. He added: "I have heard about this suggestion, but we feel the system works well enough as it is. Knowing where offenders like paedophiles are does not mean you know what they are doing.
"This is the sort of daft idea that comes up from the department every now and then, but tagging people in the same way we tag our pets cannot be the way ahead. Treating people like pieces of meat does not seem to represent an improvement in the system to me."

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Professionals in the criminal justice system maintain that the present system is 95 per cent effective. Radio frequency identification (RFID) technology is unproven. The technology is actually more invasive, and carries more information about the host. The devices have been dubbed "spychips" by critics who warn that they would transmit data about the movements of other people without their knowledge.
Consumer privacy expert Liz McIntyre said a colleague had already proved he could "clone" a chip. "He can bump into a chipped person and siphon the chip's unique signal in a matter of seconds," she said.
One company plans deeper implants that could vibrate, electroshock the implantee, broadcast a message, or serve as a microphone to transmit conversations. "Some folks might foolishly discount all of these downsides and futuristic nightmares since the tagging is proposed for criminals like rapists and murderers," Ms McIntyre said. "The rest of us could be next."

Again, we must ask ourselves: Have we had enough yet?


Wake up, people!

[VP505]

23. I can see

back alley chip removal businesses being set up now, a new class of millionaires coming to your town soon.

[FloridaJudy]

29. I might have a new career...

I'm damned good at getting out Norplants, and there were six of those implants! One should be a piece of cake.

I wouldn't touch pedophiles, though. I do have standards.

[hunter]

37. That was my first thought too...

Plus you could cause a whole lot of mischief with the chips you've removed from people.

Don't like someone?

Serreptitiosly slip the rfid marker of an escaped pedophile or drug runner into the person's clothes at the airport and then laugh your ass off as they are hauled away by homeland security for a strip search.

:evilgrin:

[AndyTiedye]

24. Should be Pretty Easy to Defeat

A :tinfoilhat: should be enough to defeat them.

[TankLV]

25. 1 - I don't like this - don't like this at all - or where it's heading...

2 - If they're CONVICTED criminals, and this is intended to have them spend their sentence off-prison-site, then I'm for it - it's just like one of those braclets, isn't it?

3 - What's to prevent them from removing it themselves or authorities removing it ONCE THEIR SENTENCE IS DONE? I mean, it's JUST UNDER THE SKIN...

Just a few points to consider...

But after all the crap in the past 8 years, with the national ID - "where's your papers" crap to travel down the street - and all the other crap, this is surely a BAD BAD sign...

[ohio2007]

26. ? How about reduced prison populations ? no ? nt

[sarcasmo]

27. Welcome to the New World Order.

[THUNDER HANDS]

31. yeah, there'll be no way around that

unless they plant it in their brains, it would be kinda easy to remove it, get a cat, and put it in the cat.

[frog92969]

33. The transmitter is disturbing enough,

what about receiver functionality? The ability to render unconscious (or dead) large groups of people from anywhere using satellites or cell phone relays? Seems like this would be at least as threatening.

If people start cutting these things out I'm sure they'd say a more secure location was needed, like the temple or near the brain stem.

[Heywood J]

35. You know, this was done to prisoners before RFID technology was invented.

Of course, back then, they kept track of inmates with tattoos on the forearm...



Western nations are becoming what they fought against.

[lovuian]

36. Britain is the testing ground

they want control of the world and its the NWO

[mitchum]

40. Absolutely correct...first their ubiquitous "security" cameras and now this

[undergroundpanther]

46. Fuck the psychocivilized society

We got Florida
http://www.ihealthbeat.org/articles/2007/9/4/VeriChip-To-Offer-Free-Microchips-to-Florida-Alzheimers-Patients.aspx?topicID=59
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2007/08/13/daily36.html?ana=from_rss

Drug delivery via microchips
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/mental-health-abuse/brain-experiment/psychiatric-drug-implants/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_March_13/ai_n16104065
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2007/05/08/4164628.html
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2005/Feb/1118677.htm
http://www.azonano.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=1538
What if the drug isn't theraputic but kills...

A Short History On the Human Implantable Microchip
Most people think that microchip technology is a fairly new technological advance. However, in researching this field, one will note that though the implants were larger, there has been indisputable use of the technology since the 50's and 60's of the last century. Let me share the short list of those who have been active in promoting and using chipping as a tool and especially in the forefront of mind control:
Jose Delgado a neuroscientist whose claim to fame was being able to use radio waves as a tool to control behavior. His most notable work was recorded on video as he successfully kept a bull bent on goring him in a bullfighting ring from physical contact of any kind simply by a turn of a knob on his machine which he held in his hand. Delgado wired a bull with the 'stimoceiver' a miniature depth electrode which can receive and transmit electronic signals over FM radio waves. Delgado's PHYSICAL CONTROL OF THE MIND: TOWARD A PSYCHOCIVILISED SOCIETY is a published work which has long been used in the psychiatric field as a journal of pioneering work in the field of electro-stimulation of the brain.
Robert G. Heath, of Tulane University, implanted as many as 125 electrodes in his subjects, achieved his greatest notoriety by attempting to "cure" homosexuality through ESB (Electrical Stimulation of the Brain). In his experiments, he discovered that he could control his patients' memory, (a feat which may account for the phenomenon of "missing time"); he could also induce sexual arousal, fear, pleasure, and hallucinations.
Ralph and Robert Schwitzgebel have produced devices for tracking individuals over long ranges; they may be considered the creators of the "electronic house arrest" devices. Schwitzgebel devices could be used for tracking all the physical and neurological signs of a "patient" within a quarter of a mile.
Bryan Robinson, of the Yerkes Primate Laboratory has conducted fascinating simian research on the use of remote ESB in a social context. He could cause primate mothers to ignore their offspring, despite the babies' cries. He could turn submission into dominance, and vice-versa.
Joseph A. Meyer, of the National Security Agency has proposed implanting roughly half of all Americans arrested - not necessarily convicted - of any crime; the numbers of "subscribers" (his euphemism) would run into the tens of millions. "Subscribers" could be monitored continually by computer wherever they went. Meyer, who has carefully worked out the economics of his mass-implantation system, asserts that taxpayer liability should be reduced by forcing subscribers to "rent" the implant from the State. Implants are cheaper and more efficient than police.
Daniel Man a Florida doctor proposed a solution to the "missing children problem," by suggesting a program wherein America's youngsters would be implanted with tiny transmitters in order to track the children continuously. Man brags that the operation can be done right in the office - and would take less than 20 minutes.


http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com/phpfusion/readarticle.php?article_id=14

[undergroundpanther]

42. Fuck

first it was sold as a wonderful tracking technology for senile patients or Alzheimer's patients,for their own good,(never mind the new discovery that enebrel spine injections can cure it in minutes)now chipping for prisoners,soon it will be mental patients, ex mental patients, the unemployed/homeless, poor people,than...
And still beef industry does not WANT to tag cows and track them because it may reveal how bad mad cow has infected the food chain.
My therapist warned me. When it comes the time it be "suggested" a.k.a. coercing me, to take a chip or be abandoned of any help from this country,.that is when I leave this hellhole any way I can get out.
I'll dig the damn chip out of my flesh with an xacto knife before I tolerate any of that fascist shit... Fuck the authoritarian pigs.

Greedy corporate assholes and STUPID teens both love this idea
http://www.spychips.com/blog/2006/10/do_young_people_want_microchip.html

"It's entirely possible to imagine, down the road, that a stalking victim might have a chip implanted for health reasons, and then be monitored, day and night, by an abuser who hides a reader in the house, or at the door of the house." — Cindy Southworth, director of technology at the National Network to End Domestic Violence in Washington, D.C., on June 7, 2007.

http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com/phpfusion/news.php

[flashl]

45. And ...

We must protect the children w/ RFID. Of course, there is walmart tracking its inventory
with RFID. Your walmart toaster may remain activated after you take it home.

[undergroundpanther]

48. I found an RFID in my shirt

Wrote this about it.

It's on rense here,but originally I posted it to Unknown News.

[noamnety]

60. How did you find it? nt

[pleah]

43. ARF ARF! Sit, stay, roll over.

[Ilsa]

44. If you were implaned with a chip, can you disable it? How? nt

[undergroundpanther]

47. xacto knife

and alot of angry dissociation and determination to get the damn thing cut out.

http://www.hoise.com/vmw/07/articles/vmw/LV-VM-06-07-5.html
As for microscopic brain chips I haven't a clue.
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c2/v3c2-4.htm#Implanted%20Microscopic%20Chip
Real ID chip
There's a loophole : You can "disable" the RFID chip legally. Just take a hammer and smash it.

Serious.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/start.html?pg=9

[Brrrp]

50. Thin edge of the wedge.

From the article: "One company plans deeper implants that could vibrate, electroshock the implantee, broadcast a message, or serve as a microphone to transmit conversations."

[Megahurtz]

52. Oh Boy....

here it comes. :scared:

[superconnected]

56. I've been saying it would be the prisoners first for over a decade

specifically I meant the peds.

So Great Britian is going there first, America will follow.

[lonestarnot]

58. Ever seen chain gang surgery?

They can't implant deep enough LOL