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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:28 AM
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Illegal's body found; rapes reported by 3
Source: Arizona Daily Star

The body of an illegal immigrant was found Friday near Green Valley by U.S. Border Patrol, and three women reported being raped over the weekend by armed bandits.
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In a separate incident, three females told agents Sunday morning that they had been raped by masked bandits the day before, Daniels said. Two of the victims were juveniles, ages 16 and 17, and the third is 20, he said.
About 4 a.m. Saturday a group of men with masks and rifles approached their group of 10 and raped the three, the females reported. One said she was raped by six men and the other two said they were each raped once, he said.



Read more: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/metro/237633.php



What is the incentive for those immigrants to put their lives at risk?

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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:31 AM
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1. To answer your question..
The chance for a better life for them and their children or family.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:41 AM
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2. Jobs
n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:51 AM
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3. i thought those 'illegals' were supposed to be raping, maiming
Edited on Tue May-06-08 09:51 AM by xchrom
and pillaging 'americans'? --

you mean they're getting raped, maimed and pillaged?

what will lou dobb's make of this?
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:57 AM
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4. You know that life for them must really suck to take the risks they do.
Yet most of us don't care about them do we. I'd bet we'd care if we heard that hundreds of pets were being mistreated in Mexico.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:58 AM
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5. Hunger. n/t
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:01 AM
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6. Bandits?
Armed men on the US side of the AZ/Mexico border? Why does the name minutemen keep popping up in my head? hmmmmmmmm. The women went back to Mexico, so any chance of an actual investigation or convictions happening is nil.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:15 AM
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9. Criminal gangs probably.
We actually have criminal rings kidnapping people from the San Diego area and taking them to Mexico for ransom now, and they've been robbing and kidnapping people coming across the desert for a decade. Rape and murder isn't exactly a new thing either. Stumble across a drug runner, or resist even a little while they're fleecing your of your life savings, and they're likely outcomes. The deserts along the border are not friendly places.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:59 PM
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24. Who would head the investigation? Sheriff Joe Arpaio????
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:30 AM
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31. The minutemen would not do this....but corporate black ops would
dressed up like bandits(sounds like BS), rape, knowing where the people were along the border.

Sounds more like Skull&Bones CIA, the arms dealers and drug running heathens. They'll do what they need to do to help Blackwater get a contract...or maybe they're started up their own new company they're hoping to install.

Making minutemen look like they're taking the law into their own hands...don't be fooled. Everything takes money and even minutemen have to eat. I'll wager the minutemen went home...and the black ops have filled in. The minutemen wouldn't lower themselves to this level, but the corporate security companies looking for a contract would. After all, it sure would be cushy to patrol the border for all the ARMS & DRUGS coming to and from Mexico, Central & South American Ops.

Think about it.
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:30 AM
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33. Yeah, I could see the mercenary types
Being more than happy to do this sort of thing. I think the use of the term "bandits" shows a kind of disregard and demonstrates that the authorities and media are not taking the issue very seriously. The article was written from an almost completely dispassionate POV, which struck me as very odd.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:59 AM
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7. State-side mercenaries back from Iraq and bored? n/t
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:11 AM
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8. Sadly for these people, things aren't going to get much better for them here.
Illegal aliens are having a much, MUCH harder time finding employment in this economy. Many of the younger immigrants who don't have family here have been heading back to Mexico. Money remittances back to Mexico have plummeted, and far fewer people are willing to make the trip now, paying a coyote $1500 or more to get here, just to land a low wage job that is hardly going to cover their living expenses.

A quick google turned up this link, but there are dozens of articles ont he subject all over the Internet: http://wenatcheeworld.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080424/NEWS01/486441889/-1/NEWS. Mexico has become so dependent on U.S. remittances that many people are predicting that the economic slowdown here could lead to a serious crisis in that country as the money evaporates and desperate unemployed laborers return home.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:10 PM
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13. undocumented leaving Las Vegas
was there the last two weeks and strip had little traffic..only tourists I ran into were from Europe. For sale signs on so many homes..it HAS to trickle down.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:16 PM
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15. Mexico has been ripe
for revolution for sometime. The Mexican government sees us as a pressure relief valve. If the people seeking work to feed their families can't get jobs here, they will stay there. Maybe the Mexican people will do something and take back control of their government from the rich (I sure wish we could do that here)
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:18 AM
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10. "illegal" is an adjective
not a noun.

Could you possibly make an effort to be less dehumanizing?
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:27 AM
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11. Not the poster's words - that's the headline on the story.
But I agree with you.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:35 PM
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16. Thanks.
I wouldn't have repeated that title without commenting on its inappropriateness. But yeah, I guess it's the rule in this forum (didn't realize which forum I was in, I was reading latest posts when I clicked on this, sorry)
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:49 PM
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23. yeah, those are the rules other wise 'BORDER WATCH REPORT for Tuesday May 6'
would be more appropriate
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:42 AM
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12. illegal is the new nigger
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:11 PM
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14. *nod* (nt)
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barnel Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:49 PM
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17. Did africans stowaway onto slave ships?
dont think i've ever read about that
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:12 PM
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19. What's your point?
It better be good.
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Traction311 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:22 PM
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20. His point is, Africans were forced to come here, and discriminated against
Illegals chose to come here, and were discriminated against. Not saying I agree 100%, but I do see his point.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:15 PM
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21. So what? Are you saying that it is alright to rape and murder people because they chose to come her
It's only not ok to rape and murder people who were brought here as slaves? Everyone else is fair game?

My ancestors chose to come here. Does that mean that it's ok for people to rape and murder me?
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barnel Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:04 PM
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29. can you point to where i said it's ok to rape and murder illegal aliens?
not sure i make the connection
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Traction311 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:39 AM
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34. No, and I don't think he's saying that either
I think his point is if a store owner refuses to hire blacks, and if another refuses to hire illegals, it's a huge difference. I agree and see the difference, don't you?
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:13 AM
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30. If your family is starving, I wouldn't say that's much of a choice. nt
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:28 PM
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26. really?!
:wtf:
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YankmeCrankme Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:02 AM
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32. The point is the term has become perjorative...it's not equating the two events.nt
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:44 PM
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27. I remember Phil Collins singing about illegal aliens in the early 80s
Edited on Tue May-06-08 09:45 PM by marshall
In a band called Genesis--"It's no fun being an illegal alien."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_Alien_(song)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:12 PM
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18. I'm appalled that the newspaper actually used that word in their headline.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:56 PM
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22. There wasn't enough room for the ADS to use the usual "The help's"
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:42 PM
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25. Eh.
Are you a "liberal"? A "progressive"? Perhaps an "American"? An "adult" and not a "juvenile"? Are you a "black" or a "white"? Or perhaps a "Latino" or "Hispanic" or an "Asian"?

Oops. Sorry to dehumanize you. Those are all adjectives, so no proper speaker of English could possibly use them, to apply them to a "human" (there I go again) would be abominable.

After all, we never use adjectives as nouns. Just ignore that my questions were grammatical for most speakers with the indefinite articles; they're not *true* English-speakers.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:54 PM
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28. I agree...
why not cut through all the PC bullshit and hocus-pocus and call them what they really are... criminals.
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