Many Florida Jews Express Doubts on Obama

[onehandle]

Source: NYT

BOYNTON BEACH, Fla. — At the Aberdeen Golf and Country Club on Sunday, the fountains were burbling, the man-made lakes were shining, and Shirley Weitz and Ruth Grossman were debating why Jews in this gated neighborhood of airy retirement homes feel so much trepidation about Senator Barack Obama.

“The people here, liberal people, will not vote for Obama because of his attitude towards Israel,” Ms. Weitz, 83, said, lingering over brunch. “They’re going to vote for McCain,” she said. Ms. Grossman, 80, agreed with her friend’s conclusion, but not her reasoning.

“They’ll pick on the minister thing, they’ll pick on the wife, but the major issue is color,” she said, quietly fingering a coffee cup. Ms. Grossman said she was thinking of voting for Mr. Obama, who is leading in the delegate count for the nomination, as was Ms. Weitz.

But Ms. Grossman does not tell the neighbors. “I keep my mouth shut,” she said.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/us/politics/22jewish.html

[KaryninMiami]

1. Well- if the Democrats are smart and start using the soundbites of Hagee

and agressively show Obama's consistant support of Israel, and once Obama starts to campaign more agressively in person, I think some- but not all-- will come around. Remember there were also a large group of Jewish voters who supported both Bushes and also Nixon for the very same reasons- fear and ignorance.

[mucifer]

3. The hagee soundbites won't work for lots of right wing Jews who might

agree with what he said.

[saigon68]

50. Yes and with Joementum Leading McLame around like a sheep

They will have no problem voting for McLame and 100 more years of War

[harmonicon]

29. huh?

The whole point of this was that Israel doesn't matter, and the person was saying that a lot of people won't vote for Obama because they're god damned racists. What is wrong that it's becoming impossible to state the obvious in the media? Our country is cock-full of racist pieces of shit. We know it, but we don't say it. The person quoted here had the guts to say it.

[mucifer]

2. I can't stand this Black/Jewish tension crap.

It makes me sick.

I'm a Jewish woman. I know Obama has lots of Jewish activists supporting him.

[wininnov]

40. Axelrod anyone

Um, if I am not mistaken his principal advisor for a number of years is named
David Axelrod

[Honeycombe8]

49. Is Axelrod Jewish? nt

[virgdem]

52. Yes he is..

Axelrod is a Jewish name. I once dated a Jewish guy with that last name.

[Honeycombe8]

53. Thx. I didn't know that. nt

[Pastiche423]

63. Yes David Axelrod is Jewish

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Axelrod_(political_consultant)

[question everything]

94. Not just Axelrod. All his initial supporters and organizers of funds raising

are Jewish.

[TomClash]

56. Like most jews - they're liberals

. . . and not part of the neo-con idiot sect that seems to influence the jewish elite.

[janx]

98. Most of the black/Jewish tension crap comes from Jews who

are really old! Hence the Florida situation... ;-)

[DFW]

4. They need to sing THIS version of Hava Nagila. It'll make them feel better:

Sung to the tune of Hava Nagila, so if you don't know it, you're outta luck.

1.)
Barack Obama, Barack Obama, Barack Obama
Fights the G O P.
Barack Obama, Barack Obama, Barack Obama
Speaks well on TV

He has a health care plan,
Might try a weapons ban,
Would leave Afghanistan
If he only could

Get us out of Iraq
Bring all our soldiers back
That’s what would please Barack
And he really should!

He-Will-Not-Stand-For-Those
Made-up lies by fake Swiftboaters
He connects with most swing voters
He respects our institutions
Plays it straight with contributions
He’s the man!
Yes he can!
Vote Obama in the fall!

2.)
Barack Obama, Barack Obama, Barack Obama
Won’t bash Hillary
Barack Obama, Barack Obama, Barack Obama
Plays it cool, you see

He sure can give a speech
Won’t use the word “impeach,”
And there’s no need to teach:
He knows “wrong” from “Wright.”

He does not lose his head
Even in states so red
“Live from New York,” he said
“It is Saturday Night!”

There-Will-Be-Lots-More-Since
This is an ongoing story
Listen to his oratory
What he says is quite convincing
Look at John McCain, he’s wincing
Now Barack
Leads the pack!
Vote Obama in the fall!

Written by yours truly, so you better BELIEVE this was used by permission LOL!!
(Submitted to The Freedom Toast for recording--we'll see!)

[mithnanthy]

9. DFW...that was GREAT!

I'm kinda a Parody Queen myself....Thanks, that was quite entertaining!(I enjoyed singin along too!)

[wininnov]

35. Another Parody

Here is another parody you might enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxVZi1-kUvM

Obviously it is a derivative of the LLama Song
Helps to have a 10 year old

I am not a long time enough member to post it on my own
If you like it feel free

[DFW]

37. Here are some more you can sing along with......

click on the box at the right:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=286361461

or:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7dPISoH6Ok&mode=related&search=

[pnorman]

10. Hava Nagila, coming up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgdHjWPuCrI
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFtv5qe5o3c
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hava_Nagila

pnorman
PS:
On edit: I like this one even better! It seems to better capture the spirit of the Obama movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc0qN4QXV1c&feature=related

[wininnov]

39. And another

Here is another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxVZi1-kUvM

[DFW]

43. SOMEone out there has way more time on their hands than I do!!

:-)

[aquart]

46. Health care plan? Is that what you call that mess?

[DFW]

58. I call it rhyming within the scan.

This was for fun, and not a political statement looking for a challenge,
for Pete's sake! For the record, back when I was pretty much tossing a
coin when it was time to send in an absentee ballot (I vote in Texas, in
case that wasn't obvious), I ended up casting my vote for Sen. Clinton. But
she got her song 2 years ago on the Freedom Toast "Sing Along With The
Democrats" CD, and we had only done "Barack the Knife" up to now, where the
Clintons had gotten plenty of songs.

Most of the songs on "Campaign 2008," if you had bothered to check them out,
were all done from the point of view of the candidates themselves, the big
exception being McCain, who did not fare well, because TFT doesn't think much
of him.

Lighten up a bit! It's not forbidden by ANY of the DU rules, I'm pretty sure.

[Pastiche423]

64. Thanks!

I never knew how Hava Nagila was spelled. And your lyrics are fantastic!

Now how can I get the tune out of my head?

[DFW]

66. I didn't know either!

I just used a phonetic spelling and hoped for the best.
Allan Sherman's lyrics were the best ever for the time
he wrote it ("Harvey and Shiela"), and I know no Hebrew,
so I have idea what the original text says.

But whatever text you use, it IS a catchy tune, and I have
no solution for getting it out of your head, sorry!

If The Freedom Toast ever gets around to recording it, I'll
post a link (they're thinking about it).

[Pastiche423]

78. That's cool about Freedom Toast!

Will keep an eye out for the recording.

[DFW]

83. You've heard their other stuff, right?

[Pastiche423]

84. Sorry, no I haven't

I'm old and still listening to the music of the 60's/70's.

[DFW]

85. So are/do they!

Their musical director is in his early 60s!!

Here--see what you think:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=286361461
(box at the right)
Especially: Barack the Knife and The Evolution

http://cdbaby.com/cd/freedomtoastrep
(long free clips at lower left)

http://cdbaby.com/cd/freedomtoastdem
(long free clips at the lower left)

and their first video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7dPISoH6Ok&mode=related&search=


See what you think!

[Pastiche423]

86. I owe you BIG time

for turning me on to them!

They are fabulous!

P.S. It took me seven days of debating to get...

GOD TELLS ME THINGS!

:rofl:

[DFW]

90. They are very close to me

And they use stuff I write all the time, so I'm partial :-)

"Home, Home on the Range,
Where the Beer and the cantaloupe lay
Where never is heard
A three-syllable word
Or if so, then it's one I can say"

[Pastiche423]

92. Did you write that one?

All of the tunes I have heard are great. I can't believe I haven't heard of them until today.

[DFW]

95. Home on the range?

Guilty as charged. That one was mine, alright.

TFT has a rather low advertising budget.
Check out their live show: www.political-idol.com
You wouldn't believe who has signed on to the Political Idol myspace page!

[DFW]

97. P.S. that was our 62 year old music director singing cameo

.......on "God tells me things,"

and I did "Nine bombers bombing"

(I was in Atlanta when they recorded that one, and they let me have my 5 seconds of glory LOL!)

[Solly Mack]

5. if the major issue is color then there's nothing liberal about them

[Spouting Horn]

23. I think the major issue

is their perception of Obama's stance towards Israel, and that some of his advisers have been linked with pro-Hamas groups.

Jews are reliable Democratic voters, and will come through with 90%+ in November.

[Solly Mack]

24. I don't know the motivation of her neighbors

...just commenting on what she said in broader terms


and she could very well be wrong in her perceptions

[wellst0nev0ter]

28. Israel Has Been Apparently "Pro-Hamas"

Because it has (gasp) decided to meet with them recently

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=212389&mesg_id=212389

This double-talk concerning Israeli policy cannot go on forever.

[still_one]

34. Absolutely, this is another pseudo B.S. issue being pushed by the MSM

This is all part of a pattern to cause to division within the Democratic party. IT WON'T WORK

They have also are trying to do this on race

This is the same MSM who told us Iraq had WMDs, and that there was a connection between AQ and Iraq

[redqueen]

41. Yup! (nt)

[bowens43]

6. so? Many don't.

more mindless bullshit

[ryanmuegge]

7. Not crazy enough for them?

[UpInArms]

8. maybe this time they'll just write in their votes for Buchanan ... eom

[FSogol]

11. What's Ms. Grossman's opinion on Hagee? n/t

[libnnc]

57. good question

[FVZA_Colonel]

70. You'd think that would matter a lot more.

Considering that the man's entire theology revolves around all the Jews either dead or converted.

[islandmkl]

12. great!! retire your ass to sunny florida, get us 4 more years of this total debacle...

of an administration, because the 'black guy' doesn't think the salvation of israel is the number one purpose of the u.s.a.

if one wants to retire and make saving israel THEIR MAIN PURPOSE, i would suggest doing the rest of america a favor and moving TO ISRAEL where one could make a real difference...

[Peace Patriot]

61. It's just this kind of riled up opinion that the NYT article was designed to elicit.

Resist war profiteering corporate 'news' monopoly manipulation!

[eringer]

13. Gore/Loserman 2000

Enough said.

[ohio2007]

14. pandering to the Hillary supporters. The horse they backed is done

Talking in favor of Israel will alienate some Obama voters but...... the polls will indicate which trade off decision must be made.

[BayjanDem]

15. Someone called Obama Jackie Robinson

I tend to agree. The first serious black Presidential candidate is gonna catch some hell. Thank God for millions of open minded white voters, or we wouldn't even be talking about Obama right now, no doubt about it. His race should not be factor, but it is. Obama is a great candidate, as qualified as McCain and Hillary, he should be president. Not because he's black, but because he has the best ideas, and he's a change from the current nightmare.

[underpants]

16. BS-the American Jewish population is extremely progressive

the NYT just got a few to fill in quotes on a story they had already written.

[oberliner]

89. Agreed

Obama will do very well in the Jewish community.

This is more about an issue with the over 65 community.

[zanne]

17. "Liberals" don't vote for Republicans like McCain...

I think some people say they'll vote for McCain instead of Obama because they don't want to come right out and say "because he's black". I have been informed, lo these past eight years or so, that racism does not exist anywhere in the United States of America. I know this because I went to the source; racists who will preface any racist comment with "I'm not racist, but....."

[magellan]

48. Not only aren't they "liberal", they're ignorant on top of it

You really have to have your head in the sand to vote for MORE of the last eight years.

[scarface2004]

18. obama will be fine...

repulikkkans by their nature are extreme anitsemites. there is no way the jews can vote republikkkan.

[Dogtown]

19. More cherry picking

by the right leaning media, to spread the meme that there's no consensus among liberals.

A few dinosaurs waxing senile do not a schism make.

[The Stranger]

20. Why can't Judi Kantor run a story on all of the Many Florida Jews Who DON'T Have "Doubts" on Obama?

Does she have any statistics or polling to back her up? Does "many" mean most or 51% or is this just a little anecdotal "survey"?

Give me a break.

[liberalcanuck]

101. There you go using logic again n/t

[Zorra]

21. How sad. These people are profoundly, pathetically ignorant.

Some would let our country go down the toilet simply because they hold to the very mistaken notion that Israel's interest would be protected if they elect a fascist to the presidency, and in doing so appear to be more loyal to Israel than the US.

And some would vote to elect a fascist to the presidency simply because the opposing candidate has a different colored skin than they do.

This is so very wrong, and deeply disturbing, considering the racist ideology that led to the suffering and death of so many innocent people in Europe not long ago.

[wellst0nev0ter]

31. We All Know How Good For Israel The First * Presidency Has Been

let's see how that country will take off during McSame's run :sarcasm:

[Peace Patriot]

62. Don't buy into this! I've seen enough corporate 'news' monopoly anecdotal writing

to know that it is highly selective and highly manipulative. You can find anyone in a big enough crowd to mouth the crap that you are trying to peddle. It's a classic disinformation technique. A few old idiots do not make an entire race idiotically vote against their own interests and beliefs. WHEN have Jewish voters EVER abandoned the Democratic Party? WHEN have they EVER exhibited racism in their voting? They have, on the contrary, been among the biggest supporters of racial equality in our country! And they have consistently, always, voted progressive, in big numbers. Furthermore, Jewish VOTERS have not bought into NeoConism (Israel's survival requires U.S. warmongering), and many Jewish thinkers understand what a "con" it has been (and what a danger to Israel!). Some of their leaders have bought into it, like the leaders of a lot of other groups, including many of the leaders of the Democratic Party! That is a general problem of our corrupt political establishment, not a problem that has been caused by, or in any way manifested by, ordinary Jewish voters. Like I said, there are a few idiots in every big crowd, and the corporate 'news' monopolies will find them, if they have some obnoxious psyops item they want to plant in our brains. Jewish voters hate blacks. Black voters hate whites. White voters hate blacks, browns and Jews. White women voters hate black men. And on and on and on.

STOP REACTING. That's the first step. Read between the lines, second step. Understand war profiteering corporate 'news' monopoly techniques and--very important--motives. And heed the lessons! WHO was one of the MAJOR sellers of the Iraq War? The NYT! WHO suppressed Bush's massive domestic spying to help Bush-Cheney get re-elected in 2004? The NYT! What interest do they have in the failure of a non-warmongering candidate?

Resist corporate media "divide and conquer" tactics!

[Zorra]

71. I understand. I'm not buying into anything. My post was in reference to

the individuals that apparently made these ignorant and/or racist comments.

A few Rabbis may want to consider taking these individuals to the woodshed for a little talk and maybe some schooling in current affairs, as well as European history.

[Changenow]

69. I like how they introduced the

"black criminal" red herring. Some relative of mine was mugged by a black man therefore I won't vote for a black man. It makes your head spin. If a "mainstream" newspaper printed antisemitic drivel like that it would be shut down. Imagine the outrage if an elderly black woman said that she bought a sham mortgage from a Jewish man, therefore she couldn't vote Lieberman.

The brazenness of this slur is what is most galling.

[Indenturedebtor]

73. Hello! These people are 1,000 years old!

How many 84 year old white christians who live in the south want to see "seperate but equal" reinstated, think that a womans place is in the home, and fill their purses with buffet items?

One old Jew does not speak for American Jewry.

Who gives a shit what this woman says.

We probably won't carry FL because it has a majority of old people and rednecks. This is the same state that's always in the the news for doing wierd RW kooky BS.

This whole article is just MSM sensationalism.

[sabra]

22. Gallup: Obama Beats McCain Among Jewish Voters

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107059/Obama-Beats-McCain-Among-Jewish-Voters.aspx

[disenfranchisedgal]

65. Great! n/t

[fujiyama]

99. That's a disturbingly high number McCain takes

Didn't Kerry receive well over 75% of Jewish voters?

I don't understand why Obama should have such a tough time, other than the Wright problem. I'm actually stunned such a large number are buying into this crap. Oh well, I think Obama will have a tough time in FL anyways. It's obvious younger Jews aren't buying into the nonsense. That's reassuring.

I think the rift between the communities is ridiculous and so unfortunate. A majority of Jews are quite liberal and many supported civil rights...And I don't think Obama's stance on Israel will be significantly different from Hillary's.

[formercia]

25. A lot of rich people will vote for McCrazy, no mater what background

The Country Club says it all. Feh!

If you can only count on fingers and toes, ten is a lot.

[fascisthunter]

26. rrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Cherry picking the Jewish community.... there's a neo-nut in every community out there. By this article's standards you could surmise that the World doubt Obama as well.

[TomInTib]

27. If that woman had just left Moses in the bullrushes...

Fuck 'em.

Who gives a shit?

[Boojatta]

75. Are you suggesting that ancient Egyptians would have done evil

things to Jews, preventing the existence of Jews in Florida today, had Moses not survived infancy?

[Hulk]

30. Surprise, surprise. They aren't Democrats...they are aristocrats.

This is such bullshit. These wealthy Jews, living in a closed community don't give a rat's ass about Democratic values or ideals. They are out to cover their investments and stock folders.

I see the same shit from my older siblings. They grew up Democrat, and they reaped the benefits of the Democratic ideals, but now that they are in their 70's, they all turn repug to do whatever it takes to protect their nest eggs. Pathetic human beings is what they are. "Screw the rest of the world...I want to do what I think will protect my gold." Damned to hell.

I would suggest Obama write them off. They are nothing but worthless human carcusses that couldn't be won over by Democratic values and a black man to boot no matter what you do for them. They are greedy sons-of-bitches...each and every one of them.

Amen.

[Honeycombe8]

51. That's stereotyping retired Jewish people in FL, isn't it? Lots of retirees there aren't wealthy...

they're living off their life savings - the results of 50 years or more of saving and investing and working hard. Hardly wealthy.

But even for the ones that are wealthy...there is nothing wrong with being wealthy. We'd all like more money, wouldn't we? Nothin' wrong with being compensated well for working hard an entire lifetime and learning how to do or be something that most others won't or can't do. That's how you get wealthy.

More than being Jewish....THEY'RE NEW YORKERS, Hillary's "home state #2." I think that's more to the point.

[MilesColtrane]

32. Hmm...

It would be interesting to see a poll break down Obama/McCain support based on age.

No offense to the older DUers here, but I think a lot of your peers may still harbor some old racial attitudes when compared to the general population.

This is of course speculation, but I see it anecdotally in some of the older folks I know, including my own mother.

As to Ms. Grossman's comment on her Florida retiree neighbors, Obama is only half black, so I guess they're only half racist.

Now THAT'S progress.
:sarcasm:

[still_one]

33. Any Democrat who says they are liberal, and end up voting for mccain is a liar or idiot

or both

Most Jews in this country will vote for the Democratic nominee, which will be Obama

Robert Wexler, a highly regarded Democratic Congressman in Florida is not only Jewish, but was one of the first to jump on board for Obama, and declare that his support as a Super Delegate goes to Obama

I am not from Florida, but as a Jew, and knowing other Jews know MOST Jewish Americans WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA when his nomination is official

The repukes have been trying to divide the Jews against Obama based on lies and distortion, it won't work

[Boojatta]

76. If someone wrote a well-written article suggesting that most

Jews in Florida will vote for the Green Party (Ralph Nader), then would the NYT publish it?

[noonwitch]

36. Well, now he knows who he has to win over at least.

Elderly jews, blue collar whites and women over 40.

[pjt7]

38. How about Jewish Americans

put America's interests first?

[cali]

45. how about they do that already.

Jews overwhelmingly support dems. they overwhelmingly support liberal and progressive causes and they were largely against the Iraq war. Interesting that from one article you conclude that Jews don't put America first.

[Peace Patriot]

60. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Was there anything scientific in this NYT crap?

I don't click on NYT articles (--have never forgiven them for Judith Miller), but carefully selected anecdotes are a classic disinformation technique. We're getting all kinds of "divide and conquer" bullshit from the corporate 'news' monopolies right now. Is this just more of it? I suspect so. Anybody read the whole thing? They provide any justification--opinion poll? voting stats? Jews not voting for black candidates?--for this article? Or is it just the horseshit I think it is?

[Indenturedebtor]

74. How about you learn something about Jews before you offer your stupidity up to the world

I met an 84 year old racist christian white guy a couple months ago. Therefore all christian white people are racist scum.

See how stupid that sounds? Do you also see how it makes one sound like a bigot? Oh wait, that would make me a bigot to broadbrush an entire group of people, especially when it runs counter to the evidence. :eyes:

[LeftishBrit]

77. How about women over 40 putting America's interests first?

That statement would make as much sense in this context as yours.

[LeftishBrit]

42. What 'attitude to Israel'?

I see no evidence that he is negative toward Israel. On the other hand, IMO anyone with ANY concern for Israel's welfare should stay away from McCain because of his association with Hagee.

Actually, anyone with ANY concern for the welfare of ANYWHERE in the world should stay away from McCain!

[LibDemAlways]

44. "The major issue is color." That's an

83-year-old who hangs out with other elderly people talking. She knows whereof she speaks. Obama will have a tough time with this demographic. I know a couple of 80 plus non-Jewish voters, lifelong Dems, who've told me they've already "given up" on this election because they just can't see voting for a black man for president.

It's ugly and it's sad, but it's reality.

[darue]

47. FINE we neither WANT nor NEED racist ignorant shitheads in the party

they're more than welcome to change their registration while they're voting for the admirals son and or MOVE TO Israel and learn something instead of being lead by right-wing extremists.

[Hekate]

54. McCain's ties to Hagee need to be more widely publicized then. I wish some here would not stereotype

...the Jews of Florida. AFAIK they are mostly elderly retirees who live in condos and vote Democratic. Hardly a hotbed of RW sentiment.

Hekate

[TomClash]

55. We're not winning FLA

Good riddance and who cares? We will win many other states, including at least three surprises.

[lark]

72. OMG

Yeah, just write off a whole state because someone posts some red herring, half truths. :crazy: That's real smart. Wait, there are racists in MI, PA, OH - well all over really. So Obama should only take votes from people in states where there are no racist? He might as well stay home then.

Surely you are jesting (although in poor taste.

[TomClash]

100. Ever campaign there?

Ever meet a white FLA Dem? Who's Governor and who's he friends with?

Give me a demographic and operational analysis explaining how we can win and I'll retract my comment. It's a very difficult road.

Grow up.

[BadGimp]

59. I am in Orlando this wek on bidness...

I had to get my hair cut (here at the Disneyland Tourist Concentration Camp - I want the tshirt), and this seemingly bright woman who gave me one of the finest cuts ever, was convinced that Obama was a MUSLIM. Despite the fact that the media told her he is a CHRISTIAN. She did not believe the truth.

omg we are in for a bumpy ride kiddies...

[JCMach1]

67. These are Lieberman democrats...

I use the term loosely

[oberliner]

88. What is a Lieberman democrat?

Haven't heard that one before.

[JCMach1]

96. Liberal on social policy, but somewhere to the right of the neocons

when it comes to Israel policy (and foreign policy in general vis a vis the Middle-East).

[mitchum]

68. FI

it shouldn't be hard to figure out what stands for

[High Plains]

79. High Plains Expresses Doubt on Many Florida Jews n/t

[texasleo]

80. If it were any other immigrant group, yes, I said immigrant group,

the focus would be on why they care more about the old country than the new.

:eyes:

[Boojatta]

81. According to Mormons, there were Jews in America before Columbus.

[oberliner]

87. They don't really care much about Poland and Russia

Or the various other countries they may have immigrated from long ago.

I don't see any concern for the old country indicated here.

[Name removed]

82. Deleted message

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[Unvanguard]

91. I'm pretty sure this is being overplayed.

None of the Jews I know have these sorts of problems with Obama, and I haven't seen any convincing statistics to indicate that there's a problem, either.

[Honeycombe8]

103. I agree. Like the "white working class" "problem" that turns out not to be aproblem....

this, too, seems to be hyped up.

Every politician has groups that they do better than others with, and groups that they do worse with. Obama, Clinton, and McCain all have issues with various groups, and are favored with various groups.

The problem with FL may in part be the elderly Jewish, for Obama. But Dems have a problem with FL to begin with, and FL has a lot of transplanted New Yorkers. Most transplant New Yorkers are going to vote for their home state senator, of course.

Obama has no big problem with working class whites, either. It turns out it is a geographical problem and that he gets working class whites in other areas. Clinton has problems with certain geographical areas, too. As does McCain.

Obama should, however, make his case to the Jewish population, to clarify where he stands on Israel, in case there is any doubt. The Dems want to keep the Jewish vote, I'm sure.

[blitzen]

93. Breaking: Many Americans Express Doubts on Clinton

[4dsc]

102. Since when is Israel the main priority in this election??

Sorry but Obama needs to worry more about AMERICA than Israel!!