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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 05:56 PM Original message |
Organically reared cows produce healthier milk says Newcastle University |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 05:58 PM Original message |
That is Udderly Fantastic |
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tctctctc (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. ELsie...no mad cow....in milk |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wait a damn minute: |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Qualifier. "Commercial" dairy consumption. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. No, dairy is harmful to human health, whether organic or factory farmed. Period. |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I guess it's a wonder we've made it this far. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Mostly because most humans don't (can't) eat much of the stuff. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. "most Eurpoeans". You forgot to include the Indian continent. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Only some indian populations, and even then it's processed for easier digestion. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
66. There's a third mutation in E. Africa that allows for |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. My Life Would Be Worthless Without Dairy |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Disagree, the fats in it help make cell walls more virus resistant. The Framingham |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. There are sources of fats, EFAs, etc without the huge drawbacks of dairy. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. having done macrobiotics and studied Chinese & Ayurvedic Diets, I can say without reservations you |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I only know what the science says. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Ayurveda has been around a long, long time... |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Persistance does not equal validity. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. That's ironic given that the negative properties of milk are also largely outdated nonsense. nt |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Evidence or it didn't happen. |
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cephalexin (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
68. Phrenology has been around a long time too. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Actually, that's not really true. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. In science, nothing ever gets "proved" because there's always the possibility |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Okay, this evidence is where? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Are you familiar with Dr. T. Collin Campbell's work? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:26 AM Response to Reply #26 |
49. I'm aware of it, yes. Now here's why I don't trust it. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Dude, did you just cite some random internet site about the health benefits of cholesterol? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
54. I buy nonfat milk. There is no cholesterol or fat in it. It tastes goooooood. Mmmmm. nt |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Might it be a component or components of non-organic milk that |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. It's the macronutrients themselves that are the problem. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. I think the important thing is that if organic vegetables make healthier cows, then obviously |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. There's evidence for that already. |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. USDA NOP _does_ require access to pasture |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. "Access" is sufficiently vauge as to be useless. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
57. Knowledgable Organic Consumers Won't Tolerate Aurora |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I personally know two organic dairy farmers |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. raw milk - a vast, complex topic - is especially therapeutic... |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. It's a vector for disease, and illegal in most places for a reason. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 06:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. You can swallow & spread all the fear-based corporate propaganda you want |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Your healthful glug might contain salmonella or tuberculosis. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. From my personal experience... |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. I work in a lab for a major Midwest dairy company |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. All I know is we didn't get here, evolutionarily speaking, by not eating animal fats and proteins. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Okay, you've got three different arguments there. |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Not trying to get into some extended argument. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. You're a vegan, aren't you? nt |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Of course, you know what this means... |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Organic farms are commercial. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
9. And running cows on grass is better for the environment, don't have to use |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. This is a big DUH. You are what you eat. And cows are what they eat. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
13. Mmm...this should go really well. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Well, your basic theory is mistaken. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Having studied nutrition quite a great deal, I'll note your concern. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
53. Why? I love dairy. Mmmmmm. Tastes good. Full of calcium, too. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
23. Not surprising. It's the diet and exercise. |
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not fooled (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
34. Grass fed? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You'll want to find "pasture fed" not grass-fed, IIRC. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Smoking grass can stop BSE mad cow disease |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
58. Depends on where in the country you are. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
36. The same is true for Free Range eggs. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. "free range" eggs sold in the US are mostly kept in sheds |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Not MY Free Range eggs! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I said sold. I'm talking about commercial production, not hobbyists. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. So we are in agreement that Corporate "commercial" farming.... |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
40. BTW, folks...these cows are British. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
46. So...I have to ask... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 05:13 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. The OP hasn't been disproven. nt |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Guess who didn't get to be milk monitor in school and is trying to make up for it now ...? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
52. I've started buying nonfat organic milk. Can't afford to do all organic, but I did opt for this. |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
67. I don't wanna be an asshole, but this falls under the NO SHIT category n/t |
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