10,000 opponents of Prop. 8 march on NYC Mormon Church

[PageOneQ]

Source: Associated Press

Carrying signs reading "Love not H8" and "Did you cast a ballot or a stone?", a large crowd of gay-marriage supporters gathered outside a Mormon temple to protest the church's endorsement of a same-sex marriage ban in California.

The rally Wednesday night outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints temple came hours after gay couples exchanged vows for the first time in Connecticut amid cheers and tears of joy.

The milestone did not ease the sting of a major loss for gay-marriage supporters last week. Gay activists planned protests across the country over the vote that took away their right to wed in California.

Read more: http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/10000_gays_march_on_NYC_Mormon__1113.html

[gristy]

1. Did the writer of this article's headline somehow know that all the protesters were gay?

He couldn't and he didn't, because they weren't.

[leftofcool]

2. American Journalists=no integrity, no truthiness

[PageOneQ]

17. No, really, I AM sorry...

I am not some anti-gay Journo....
If this can't prove it, I don't know what could:
Here's my blog where I outed Larry Craig
;)
http://www.blogactive.com/2006/10/senator-larry-craig-whats-with-gay.html

[keepCAblue]

43. How about editing your subject line...I think Whoopi and all the other hets would appreciate it

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Were you there?

In my experience, the rare form of straight folk who will show up in public for gay rights are almost always family members of gay folk. Some are just good people. None would mind being called gay in a headline- it is sort of an 'I am Sparticus' thing.
I think if we were to see an organized and active heterosexual movement to lend support, that would be acknowleged. Thus far, to be honest, the organized heterosexuals are all orgainzed against us. It would be great to see straight folk actually wanting to stand up and be counted as such, on our side. I've been waiting for that for 20 years, so forgive me is I don't hold my breath.

[nichomachus]

10. It's not a march for gay rights

It's a march for civil rights. It's about religious pressure groups not being able to insert their religious beliefs into civil law.

If you think this is just about gay people, you're not paying attention. Once they finish with us, they're coming after other groups. They may be coming after you.

We joke here about banning divorce. Some of these wackos have already made moves in that direction. They'll come after reproductive rights.

This isn't about gay vs. straight. This is about religion vs. anyone who doesn't follow their commands.

This is why it's vitally important for all people to join together to stop them now.

[evilkumquat]

11. ABSOLUTELY! Opponents of Gay Marriage Claim it's the Biggest Threat to Marriage...

...but I always thought, oh, DIVORCE killed more marriages than anything else.

They ban gay marriage, they'll go after divorces next.

They ban divorce, adultery becomes a felony.

From there, we're back to burning witches.

[Piewhacket]

45. Nicely said, oh great masked and evil kumquat.

[Piewhacket]

46. Sorry. Oops. deleted.

[Ian David]

61. You know what's the biggest threat to marriage?

BEARS!

[get the red out]

14. Quite correct

Gay people seem to make an easier target for them at the moment, that's the only difference. We should all worry about extremist religious organizations trying to destroy civil rights. Gays are just standing at the head of a long line.

[AlbertCat]

18. We should all worry about extremist religious organizations

We should all worry about moderate religious organizations too.

[bdamomma]

28. exactly is all about religion and who doesn't follow their commands.

all the power to whoever is marching.

[NorCalDem]

31. Well said! n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

40. When did I say it's all about gay people?

Just seeing a thread of such great civil action being met with a snark about how straights showed up too, I found that annoying. The people in the street, that is worth celebrating, not nitpicking, in my view. And note, the post I responded to did not say what you are saying. If it had, I'd have agreed. I agree with you on all points, and have been preaching the same sermon for over 20 years. Peace.

[trickyguy]

42. Totally agree. If a lot of straight folks don't start speaking up

then pretty soon those wackos out there (the ones with money and power)

will start going after other issues they don't agree with. Religion vs. the world.

And as someone else said here, soon it'll be witch hunts and burnings.

What do you think the term "faggots" refers to. Bundles of twigs to be set afire.

Burn baby, burn.:evilfrown:

[Steelworker In OH]

54. Its also Religion vs Religion too...

Before too long (and in some cases it's already started) They will be protesting against other religious views and organizations. I know some of the Pagan events and gatherings I've been a part of have been protested.

[Realityhack]

71. +1 n/t

[LiberalEsto]

12. Straight Unitarians also show up

Members of my UU church and others in Maryland have been traveling to our state capital on Valentine's Day for years to lobby for marriage equality.

[deepthought42]

24. I did not know this...

and I live in Annapolis. Well I am in VA at school. I'm straight, but I would love it if Maryland were to finally give equal marriage rights to gay people. Don't give up! :hug:

[heliarc]

26. I'm heterosexual... and I have marched for gay rights.

I'm happily married with a biological daughter. No one in my extended family is Gay...

To say outright that no one there was straight seems a little bit far fetched don't you think?

After all, as others here pointed out... its not "gay rights"... its equal rights for everyone!

Right on New York! Thanks for the support.

[defendandprotect]

35. More of us should be asking how we can help ...

[PageOneQ]

16. You are correct...Changed the headline

You'd think a guy who runbs a gay news service would get that!
I fixed it.
Mike PageOneQ

Now
10,000 opponents of Prop. 8 march on NYC Mormon Church

[heliarc]

27. Yaaaay! citizen editors! n/t

[EFerrari]

37. Good job!

[FuzzyDicePHL]

49. Srsly

Of the people I personally know who went last night, 5 are straight and 2 are gay.

[seebe]

51. Prop 8's Constitutionality

The Center for Governmental Studies has an interesting discussion about Prop 8 from a legal standpoint. They discuss the difference between a revision and an amendment to the US Constitution and what it means for the current Supreme Court case against Prop 8.

Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNX4jgLpPvA

[nxylas]

52. The same way they know that anyone protesting Hitler in the 30s must have been Jewish

I mean, no-one else would care, right?

[KamaAina]

64. Of course. Every AP writer is issued a state-of-the-art Gay-O-Meter.

:sarcasm:

[peruban]

3. Of course they were gay,

What kind of person would march for someone else's rights?

[Lisa0825]

9. A good one!

touche'!

dual meaning intended.... a good person would, and yours was a point well-made!

[JenniferJuniper]

20. Sure. I mean Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner

were black, weren't they?

[deepthought42]

25. I would...

anyone know if there's anything like this going on near Roanoke, VA?

[FuzzyDicePHL]

50. Not sure, but...

...here's the Virginia page for jointheimpact.com! :) THANKS!

http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/page/Virginia

[deepthought42]

57. Thank you! n/t

[deepthought42]

59. nothing in Roanoke...

I swear this city is more conservative than people let on... :scared:

:banghead: I'm tired of being a broke, helpless college student...

https://www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&b=4026589&en=7oKBJIOtGeJBKJMrHbIBLJNnEaLQL3MwFeLJJKMlH9JHJTPBKmJZG I did find this website though...I got a scholarship for living expenses so I can afford like a $10 or $20 donation, but I'm wondering if there's an organization that's not specific to a state that is accepting donations. It's not something I'm familiar with, being straight, but still...that doesn't mean I can't care or help.

[xchrom]

4. recommend

[Bluenorthwest]

5. It is great to see actions being taken across the country!

The full light of day is the cure for this religionist rot.

[RedLetterRev]

6. K/R

and speaking of which, details for the action in Greensboro, NC are at the DU thread, here.

[Dogtown]

7. K&R n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. Jackbeck, JOnnyblitz and I were there. So was my gf.

[Chovexani]

22. Man I'm always the last to know about this stuff

I'm gonna try to make the one on Saturday.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. dude, are you on facebook? if so friend me. i assumed you knew

cos it was posted in the glbt forum too

[Chovexani]

32. I haven't been on in a few days

But I will friend you on facebook. Check your PMs :)

[Deep13]

15. gay marriage = bad. 27 wives = good.

Yes, I know about the official prohibition. It happens nonetheless.

[AlbertCat]

19. If Mormons can change

the definition of marriage willy nilly... 1st bigamy is OK, then it's not... then why can't we change it?

[defendandprotect]

36. ...and it seems that RCC once had ceremonies for gay marriage,...

[RobertDevereaux]

21. BRAVO! Were I in NYC...

. . . I'd be marching right alongside you!

[heliarc]

23. Thanks New York City. n/t

[Acadia Blue]

29. I am so sick of the damn theocrates of every type pushing their

agenda on a secular country

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[Raster]

34. Today 10,000, tomorrow 100,000!

Stop the H8!

[katty]

38. great!!!

[defendandprotect]

39. Mormon Church also used tax-exempt $$ to defeat ERA ...!!!

RCC and Mormon Church used tax-exempt $$$ to fund campaign against equality for

females in America --

Anyone care?

[ms liberty]

41. K&R...May it continue...

Until all Americans and citizens are provided with equal rights under the law as is guaranteed to each of us by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It really is that simple, IMHO.

[Zuiderelle]

44. I love how they are "puzzled and disturbed" at this as if they did nothing to sway the vote.

Fuck them, and ROCK ON NY!! I wish I still lived there sometimes. I would have been there with bells on.

[Karenina]

70. WHAT? Are you actually considering it might NOT have been

TEH BLACK??? :evilgrin: Don't mind Tante K. missy. I"m OL' and CANTANKEROUS. ;-)

[Piewhacket]

47. BUT... they didn't DO anything, why are you meanies picking on them!

(hold on, its just a comment troll.... calm down now
remember your blood pressure. breath.... Ommmmmmmmm)

Now I don't like what the LDS did either. I don't think they should
be able to do it without serious tax consequences.

Still you might consider this:

We could solve our entire economic crisis by taxing church
real property at standard rates.

It doesn't interfere with freedom to believe or practice.
Christ had no physical church. Why is a cathedral required?
Why is it exempt from taxes paid by every other legal enterprise?

Just asking. And this is NOT a troll.

[LesserFool]

48. Yesterday, Inter-racial marriage. Today, gay marriages. What's next?

What's next on Mormon Church's agenda to impose their divisive theology on our society?

And why should we believe it isn't wrong / discriminatory this time as well?

[Ian David]

62. Non-Mormon underpants. n/t

[armed_and_liberal]

53. first ,I am a jerk

because the first thing I thought( fantasized?)of was 10,000 drag queens dressed like Marie Osmond. Ok slap me I'm Over it

Seriously though, I went to a commitment ceremony about 20 years ago for lesbian couple which are/were my wife's best friends in college. One of the women died recently, at her funeral her partner wasn't allowed to sit in the family's pew at the front. During the procession she had to walk at the rear of her partner's family. The two women had been together over 25 years. It was heart breaking to see this. The surviving partner had provided all the care and love during the 6 years her partner was ill. but at the end she was tossed aside by the family. How fucking cruel people can be!

[JerseygirlCT]

55. That's horrible. Just horrible

Probably all to avoid the family's "embarrassment". Though they weren't too embarrassed to allow her partner to care for her through her illness, right?

I'll never understand people like that. Or the people who enabled them. You have to assume that this involved not only immediate family, but all those who knew of the relationship and wondered why the partner was shut out. I think (boy, I hope) I'd be opening my big mouth, regardless of whether I was a sister or a cousin twice removed, you know?

[madmadmad]

56. AWESOME! LET'S DO 100,000 ON SATURDAY!

[Baby Snooks]

58. The hypocrisy of the Mormon Church

This is a church founded on the belief in polyamory/polygamy, and according to some pedophilia, and yet it is defending the "sanctity" of marriage?

This is a church founded on the belief in chattel law - that all belongs to the man. The wife must obey the husband. That is their definition of marriage. And I suppose sanctity.

This is a church founded on the belief in the Curse of Ham - many Mormons still believe in it despite the "revelation" in 1978 that allowed African-American men to become priests in the Mormon Church and so to some Mormons, African-Americans are "less than" just as homosexuals are "less than" to some African-Americans.

That in itself sums up the hypocrisy of the members of the African-American community who chose to align themselves with the Mormon Church.

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you seems to have become do unto others as others have done unto you. Hate them, vilify them and wave the Bible at them as you do so.

[Zhade]

60. A beautiful thing.

NT!

[dixiegrrrrl]

63. ahhh...the irony, as my gay brother told me:

Mormons who "recruit" dead people into their church seem really upset
about the false rumor that gays recruit live people.

[Karenina]

69. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:spray: :rofl::rofl::rofl: Tell bro I REALLY NEEDED THAT and give him a :fistbump: from his Tante K. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[investintrains]

65. Please add Clear Channel to the boycott

Mormon Romney with the help of LDS capital funneled into Bain
Capital bought the illegal monopoly Clear Channel.

Clear Channel stations were used to promote the anti gay position.

Please boycott Clear Channel sponsors
and ask the Obama administration to break up Clear Channel,
Fox (violating the original FCC rules) etc.

[TankLV]

66. Great to hear - FUCK THAT FUCKING MORMON CULT!!!

Hope they tear the fucking thing down and turn it into a homeless shelter...

[customerserviceguy]

67. You really want to hurt the Mormons?

Protesting in front of their churches just makes them feel like they've accomplished something.

There is a far better way to deal with them: Attack their missionary efforts.

The right-wing fundies have spent a LOT of time and money showing the Mormon beliefs to be incredible bunk, we need to be spreading it around. Just go to YouTube, and search for "Mormon" or "LDS" and you'll see what I mean. If they get hit from both the right and the left, they'll suffer in numbers of new recruits, and this will hurt them way more than any sign carrying outside their temples.

[ohio2007]

68. sounds like an ironic twist to what is called a "hate crime"

they should be carefull for what they ask for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7qK-YIMBo


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/11/12/national-press-ignores-mi-media-whitewash-lansing-church-homosexual-anar



http://www.freep.com/article/20081112/NEWS06/811120316/1008/NEWS

[marshall]

72. I hope they also try to change the law in their own states

A vote by the people of California doesn't mean the people of others states will vote the same way.