Voting systems 'can't be trusted' | Denver Post

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Article Published: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 12:00:00 AM MST

Voting systems 'can't be trusted'

Machines at risk for fraud, hacking

By Susan Greene, Denver Post Staff Writer
Dangling chads, nothing.
Florida's voting snafus during the 2000 presidential election pale in comparison to the vulnerabilities of high-tech voting machines counties throughout the nation are scrambling to buy in compliance with a new federal law, several top computer scientists are warning.

"What we know is that the machines can't be trusted. It's an unlocked bank vault ..., a disaster waiting to happen," said David Dill, a Stanford University computer science professor who has prompted more than 110 fellow scientists to sign a petition calling for more accountability in voting technology.

The researchers fear that problems with software systems will result in hacking and voter fraud, allowing people to cast extra votes and poll workers to alter ballots undetected.

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[sam sarrha]

1. the chad soap opera was just a smoke screen for the voting machine rip off

go to the web and surf out 'Senator Hagel voting machines'. this guy is a real piece of work...

[nolabels]

5. And if you can't find anything on the web (yea, right) check these

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/votefraud.html
ELECTION FRAUD 2002
It's all here, too much to read in one day. I suggest you get a cup of coffee and start out by reading Votescam. Votescam lays out the blueprint that everything else is essentially built apon. Save for future reference and send out to everyone!

"The concept is clear, simple, and it works. Computerized voting gives the power of selection, without fear of discovery, to whomever controls the computer," - James & Kenneth Collier, authors of VoteScam (1992)
"There are no documented cases of electronic vote-rigging occurring anywhere in the country, but only because it's nearly impossible to prove."
"Hand counting is the gold standard against which we check machine counting efficiency." - James Baker
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything."
- Joseph Stalin (snip)

http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm
THE SECRETIVE WORLD OF VOTING MACHINES
privatizing the vote - sabotaging the system
by Lynn Landes
The most successful coup is one that few notice. Over the last 100 years Americans have slowly but surely surrendered our public voting process to private corporations and their voting machines... in violation of our constitutional right to fair, open, and observable elections. The price paid has been the legitimacy of our democracy.

The use of voting machines should be unconstitutional. Voting machines can be easily rigged and impossible to monitor. Poll watchers have nothing to watch and Federal Observers have nothing to observe. The use of voting machines makes the Voting Rights Act unenforceable. But Congress has failed to act except to pass laws that give billions of dollars to the states to purchase voting machines, while failing to require any mandatory safeguards or standards. Meanwhile, misguided voting rights groups are suing for the right to use the latest most sophisticated computerized voting equipment which are the easiest to rig by the fewest number of technicians.

In the last several decades the rich have gotten richer and the poor poorer. This is not a formula for a conservative groundswell. Yet, both conservative Democrats and Republicans have long enjoyed success at the polls. Have elections in America been rigged to shift power to right wing candidates from both parties, despite the public's support of left-wing causes such as universal health care, quality public education, a clean environment, and a living wage? In the secretive world of voting machines... anything is possible.
See: Nov 12, 2002 American Coup: Mid-Term Election Polls vs Actuals by Alastair Thompson of Scoop
(snip)

[sybylla]

2. Nice!

Stanford even. I love the legs this story has. I'm beginning to think this could be a big player in the media for several months yet.

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3. For the people by the people and of the people?

Politicians work for corporate America, big business they don't work for the people. Put money in front of a human being
and greed appears, then the educated glibb talker that double deal us into thinking they work for us, what a joke.

Now the fucking machine - anything that man makes can be rigged. The government of the United States is a
crooked machine. The corruption of this country never ceases to amaze me. I'm glad that life comes to an end.

[Epoch]

4. Check out my post from earlier

And get involved. Already I have had two conversations with two of my local delegates and have a meeting with a state senator planned. Go to it and talk to your reps!!! It works and it's so easy!!!

Epoch

[whirlygigspin]

6. glad to see

this story expanding

[tridim]

7. If the 04 election happens using these machines,

which I'm guessing is a very good possibility since the states are broke, what are our options? It seems like most papers have run this story, so the proof that the machines are useless is there in black and white. IMO, these machines can't be used in any election, and if they are I'll be somewhere protesting, loudly. Is it legal to protest at the polls? Or to post these articles on the door of the polling place? Even so, what good will that do? It would probably just turn voters away, which obviously wont help the problem. I'm completely dismayed as to what else can be done, and Inexplicably, the majority of our representatives don't give a rat's ass about the issue.

I think we need to start screaming loudly about this NOW and we can't let up until every machine is replaced with a standardized, auditable, analog system. There's not much time left, and this is a freaking 5 alarm emergency.

[nolabels]

8. Screw them machines, they need to take them things to the dump

I am for paper ballots, or even signed affidavits with a notary public stamp stating one’s choice for legal candidates.

[tridim]

9. For that matter,

lets just drop marbles in a jar. All analog voting methods are superior to Diebold electronic crap.

[LiberalFighter]

14. Voting wasn't always secret

Reading a section in an old Blue Book for Indiana it recounted an incident in the early 1800's. Voters met at the county seat and they voted after their name was called out. How each voter voted was known by everyone.

I think I read that happening with James Madison in Virginia too.

[seemslikeadream]

10. A legal holiday

to allow time for people to vote is a must.

[Ouabache]

11. Voting needs to be moved to the first Sunday in November

unless that is Nov. 1. Then it should be on the second Sunday of November.

Saturday voting would work better too. Enable better turnouts all around.

[nostamj]

12. turnout is meaningless

if the machines are crooked.

(information)
www.blackboxvoting.com

(activism)
www.blackboxvoting.org

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17. H.R. 2239 introduced by Rush Holt calls for voter-verification and

audit capacity in these machines. Requires all voting machines to produce an actual paper record by 2004. Also bans the use of undisclosed software and wireless communications devices in voting systems. This bill has been referred to the House Administration Committee.
If we are forced to use these pigs we must have a voter-verified paper trail.

[loudsue]

13. SO MANY THANKS TO BEV HARRIS, ET AL!!!! What a confirmation

of efforts paying off!

Bev said to "just wait....(you) ain't seen nothin' yet!", and sure enough, more and more papers have started coming out with this story.

Absolutely fandamntastic!!!

Anybody that doesn't make a HUGE stink about the computerized voting machines ...."hates our freedom!" ...and that probably includes about 90% of the repukes.

:wtf:


:kick:

[Kelvin Mace]

15. ACM article

I was just told that the ACM had an article about the topic but I don't see anything on their site. Anyone know about this?

I can tell you the topic is really heating up. I logged over two dozen phones calls today on the matter, including the tech editor of one of the majors.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
1237 Elon Place
High Point, NC 27263
http://www.plan9.org

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16. August issue of Communications-- page 29

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[Kelvin Mace]

18. Thanks!!

I'll find a copy.