'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

[Nuclear Unicorn]

Source: Ottowa Citizen

TORONTO — The McGuinty Liberal government secretly passed a law giving police sweeping new powers for the duration of the G8 and G20 summits.

The law gives police the power to jail anyone who refuses to furnish identification and submit to a search while within five metres of a designated security zone in downtown Toronto.


The Canadian Civil Liberties Association said it was “extremely concerned” about the measures which, according to the group, violate constitutional safeguards.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Secret+lets+police+arrest+failing+show+near+summit/3201082/story.html#ixzz0ru3t6RyK

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I don't even think the AZ law comes close to this.

O Canada! WTF?

[Ian David]

1. I thought they were harassing mountain climbers. n/t

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[Hosnon]

3. Wow - that's actually pretty bad. No one should be charged with a crime when it was not possible

to know that one's actions amounted to said crime. In my opinion, a law is not valid until it is published.

Damn Canada - this gives Bush a run for his money.

[EFerrari]

4. 19K sekurity personnel in Toronto per Amy's report this am.

[The abyss]

5. McGuinty having a panic attack!

Personally, I love it when they pull this nonsense and wake up a few more

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Thanks for posting Nuclear

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Even though...

...you stole my avatar:

You're welcome

:P

:toast:

[Kievan Rus]

7. I truly pity Toronto residents. The G20 Summit is a tool of the Devil

I live in Pittsburgh and know what they're going through.

[izquierdista]

8. Zones of fascism

If the closer you get to the G20 meeting, the more fascists you run into, imagine what it's like on the speaker's platform.

[saigon68]

20. A gathering of Corporate Thugs, Hoodlums & political ass lickers

[SunnySong]

9. Well if protesters get a free spech zone

Why not a free Facism zone for government...

Thank god I live in a country with a Fourth Admendment that is honored by all. (I don't need the tag do I)

[Kingofalldems]

14. Hmmm. Interesting.

[Braulio]

10. Which Arizona law?

I wonder, which Arizona law are you referring to?

[struggle4progress]

11. How th' eff-n-eff can ya know yer obliged to obey a law that's secret?

[Honeycombe8]

23. It's not secret. Obviously. nt

[nilram]

12. Papers. Papers, please. Give me your papers or you're a stinkin terrorist!

[Honeycombe8]

13. Aw, come on. This is an extreme situation that people are rightfully concerned

about, security-wise. It's not my country, but if it were here, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Nuts are surely going to be heading that way with the idea to blow the place up...all those leaders of countries in one place.

If someone doesn't want to show ID or won't allow a reasonable search, that sounds suspicious to me.

It's just temporary.

[buzzard]

17. Thank you for a voice of sanity, it is my Country, City and there are a number of nutty

protesters who are here only to do damage and in doing so negate the message of the peaceful protesters.

[Chulanowa]

18. "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!"

[Honeycombe8]

21. It's not the same thing, and you know it. Security measures for a SPECIAL occasion are

ALWAYS different.

If you were in a building in a meeting with a group of others, and there were a lot of people heading your way who want to kill you, and the police told you that they'd be asking for I.D.'s of people within a certain distance of the building...and additionally searching anyone they viewed as suspicious....I wonder if you'd tell the police, "Don't do that! You would be violating their rights!" Hell, no. Because the police actions would be reasonable, under the circumstances,...for that meeting, on a temporary basis, and only within a certain distance of the building.

[Chulanowa]

24. "We have to fight them over there so we don't fight them over here!"

Rights violations tend to increase exponentially; It's one of the few "slippery slope" situations that actually is a slippery slope.

If a mob of people wants to kill you, then they are already engaging in a criminal act, and the police are justified in stopping them from doing so. Your argument is silly.

[NYC Liberal]

19. "extreme situation that people are rightfully concerned about"

That is the exact line that we were fed when the PATRIOT Act and all the other draconian laws were passed after 9.11. "Terrorism" was the "extreme situation."

[Honeycombe8]

22. Security measures for special meetings of high-level people are ALWAYS different...

we're not talking about turning the country into a police state.

Lots of people want to kill the leaders, who are, unusually, all gathered together in one building. Lots of people are headed that way for the purpose of killing those leaders.

So the police have instituted a reasonable security measure for PEOPLE WHO ARE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE BUILDING. They merely ask for I.D. And then they have the right to search anyone they think is suspicious.

If it were your life that were threatened, I wonder if you'd be so high and mighty.

It's not at all the same thing as the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is a PERMANENT set of laws (altho it has to be extended), that can be used against ANYONE, at ANY TIME, for certain purposes that only certain people in the government conclude is a good purpose. It is also done in SECRET. And RECORDS ARE NOT MAINTAINED, SO THE PUBLIC WILL NEVER KNOW what was done and to whom.

This is out in the open...a mere asking to see I.D. Everyone knows about it. Who was asked, who did the asking. Policeman is answerable for his actions.

If you come into my house, I will ask you who you are and what you want. My house. If you don't want to say who you are and what you want, you have the option of not coming to my house.

[New Dawn]

15. "In free and open societies..."

[Generic Other]

16. Video of someone arrested for not showing ID

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stzTeJuBI7M&feature=related