Are you disputing that Israel did not provide instruction to the US command? Are you disputing that Israel did not train the US military in its Jenin tactics? Are you disputing that they did not buy bull-dozers modified by Israel for the Iraq war? Just what are you disputing and whence that magnificent leap to "Israel runs the world"? Or do you know something we don't? :shrug" This sort of accusation to paint people as anti-Semitic conspiracy nuts is ridiculous and denotes a stunning lack of objectivity on the matter.
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On 29 March 2003, Justin Huggler, writing in the British Independent newspaper, reported that the US was "studying fighting in the West Bank city of Jenin last April" for clues on how to manage urban combat in the cities of Iraq.
According to the article,
Israeli professor Martin van Creveld, who teaches military history and strategy at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, told reporters that he
lectured US Marines in Camp Lejeune in North Carolina in 2002.
Questioned about Israeli tactics in Jenin by the Marines, van Creveld
"told them the giant D9 bulldozers, manufactured for civilian use in the US but fitted with armour-plating in Israel, were among the most useful weapons."The article additionally noted that
"the American military bought nine of the converted bulldozers used in the Jenin demolitions from Israel." ("Israelis trained US troops in Jenin-style urban warfare", by Justin Huggler in Amman, The Independent, 29 March 2003.)
((See below))<snip>
http://electroniciraq.net/news/493.shtml==
Israelis trained US troops in Jenin-style urban warfareBy Justin Huggler in Amman
29 March 2003
<snip>
If the US army believes the road to Baghdad lies through Jenin, there is reason for Iraqi civilians to be concerned. During fighting in the Jenin refugee camp last April, more than half the Palestinian dead were civilians. There was compelling evidence that Israeli soldiers targeted civilians, including Fadwa Jamma, a Palestinian nurse shot dead as she tried to treat a wounded man. A 14-year-old boy was killed by Israeli tank-fire in a crowded street after the curfew was lifted. A Palestinian in a wheelchair was shot dead, and his body was crushed by an Israeli tank.
Israeli soldiers prevented ambulances from reaching the wounded and refused the Red Cross access. Using bulldozers, the Israeli army demolished an entire neighborhood– home to 800 Palestinian families – reducing it to dust and rubble. <snip>
If the US military intends to use converted D9 bulldozers in Iraqi cities, there is cause for concern. When reporters got into the Jenin refugee camp, we found the fronts of houses neatly scythed off so the insides of the houses were visible from the street, with personal belongings, sofas, beds, children's toys, hanging precariously from half-collapsed floors.
Israeli use of the bulldozers has not been limited to clearing the way for tanks. They have also been used in collective punishment, such as the destruction of an entire neighborhood in Jenin after the fighting ended.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0329-07.htmhttp://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=391823=====
Israel offers lesson to U.S. on Iraq war <snip>
I have a deja vu feeling," said Yoni Fighel, a colonel in the Israeli reserves who served as an intelligence officer in the Lebanon war and later as a military governor in the West Bank. He said that Iraqis also appeared to have studied the Israeli experience. "I do believe that some conclusions from Lebanon, and from the West Bank and Gaza, were adopted by the Iraqi regime," said Fighel, now a researcher at the International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism. He called suicide bombing and guerrilla warfare "an excellent tool to build a fence" between the U.S. and British soldiers and the Iraqi civilians they hope to win over.
The soldiers who are setting up checkpoints in Iraq, demanding identification, frisking men and examining even the most innocent-seeming bundles are doing what Israeli soldiers do daily in the West Bank. Like the Israelis, the Americans and British are now relying on intelligence gleaned rapidly from collaborators and prisoners to storm homes in pursuit of wanted men, weapons and more intelligence. Like the Israelis, they are opening fire on people who move into off-limits areas. They are bulldozing trees and homes to improve their lines of fire. "Similar?!" blared the (Isreali) newspaper Ma'ariv recently on its front page, between a picture of Iraqis standing in the concrete rubble left by a bomb in Baghdad and a picture of Palestinians doing the same thing in the Gaza Strip. The newspaper ran a series of compare-and-contrast pictures - of soldiers guarding prisoners with their hands on their heads; of soldiers in battle gear standing by children; of soldiers napping in newly occupied buildings.
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In Jenin, Israel also used bulldozers and wire-guided missiles fired from Cobra helicopters to overwhelm gunmen holed up inside the camp. Van Creveld said that, when he visited Camp Lejeune last autumn, the Marines were "interested in what it would be like fighting a guerrilla war, especially urban warfare of the kind we were conducting in Jenin."He said
he focused on three areas: The use of bulldozers, the use of helicopters and "the moral and ethical problems that were sure to come" from fighting among noncombatants. He warned that Israel could use helicopters in Jenin only because the Palestinians were so poorly armed. "You can't do that if you are facing fire from the ground, because the helicopters are very vulnerable," he said. He said he particularly stressed the moral dimension of urban warfare. He said it was critical to avoid "a prolonged campaign of the strong against the weak."
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http://www.iht.com/articles/91665.html===
Send in the bulldozers: what Israel told marines about urban battles
Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Wednesday April 2, 2003
The Guardian
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Martin van Creveld's advice to the US marines on what lessons to draw from
Israel's bloody urban battle in Jenin was precise:
Forget the helicopters,
invest in armoured bulldozers.For months now, the Pentagon has been taking notes from the Israelis in
preparation for what looks increasingly likely to be an arduous house by
house, street by street, fight for Baghdad. Pentagon strategists have pored
over videos of the Israeli military's assault on Jenin a year ago, when 150
lightly armed but determined Palestinians kept the army at bay for 11 days
and killed 23 soldiers.
US officers watched Israeli tank raids into West Bank cities in February,
and American soldiers have learned in the Israeli desert how to blow their
way from house to house to avoid booby traps and street fighting. The
Israeli insights build on years of exchanges of military technology and
intelligence between the deeply intertwined armies. Among other things, the
US is using Israeli-manufactured drones to scout across Iraqi lines.
As the war with Iraq loomed, the US marines called in Mr Van Creveld, a
military strategist at Jerusalem's Hebrew University with close ties to the
Israeli army. At a briefing in North Carolina in September, he offered some
lessons.
"There were three key things," he said. "How to clear streets house by
house, particularly using bulldozers. They're very useful in this kind of
war to break houses.
<snip>
But
US forces have also been receiving insights into how to fight room by
room if it becomes necessary. Close to 1,000 American soldiers were sent to
Israel for joint manoeuvres at the beginning of the year. Some were sent to
a mock Arab town in the Negev desert to draw on Israeli experience. Among
other things, they were shown how Israeli soldiers avoid having to show
themselves on the street by moving from inside one house to another by
blowing a hole in the wall without bringing the building down.
In February, residents of Nablus reported seeing English-speaking troops in
unfamiliar uniforms accompanying Israeli soldiers during a two-week
incursion into the old city, where just such tactics were used. US army
officers have observed Israeli units at first hand in Jenin and Bethlehem.The traffic has been two way. Israeli officers have visited the US marines'
thinktank at Quantico, Virginia. Its commander, Colonel Randy Gangle,
confirms the visit took place but declines to discuss it other than to say
he "appreciated the insights offered by the Israeli experience of the
intifada".
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,927780,00.htmlI'm surprised you have forgotten these stories. They were posted and widely commented upon. As a matter of fact, there were many more.
Once again, just what are you disputing here?
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