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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:12 PM
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A Bush Ad Will Question Kerry's Commitment to the Troops
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/16/politics/campaign/16ADS.html

A Bush Ad Will Question Kerry's Commitment to Troops
By JIM RUTENBERG

Published: April 16, 2004


WASHINGTON, April 15 — President Bush's re-election campaign plans to begin running an advertisement on Friday that questions Senator John Kerry's commitment to American troops in Iraq.

The spot, first shown in West Virginia last month, is to be shown in the 18 swing states where Mr. Bush has advertised since early March, and on some national cable networks.

Its reintroduction comes at a time of anxiety at the White House caused by two weeks of heavy American casualties in Iraq and hearings at which a bipartisan panel has questioned administration officials about their reaction to warning signs before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The spot seemed intended at least in part to prevent Mr. Kerry from taking advantage of the environment by raising questions about Mr. Bush's wartime leadership, a central theme of the president's campaign. In the commercial an announcer points out that Mr. Kerry had voted against Mr. Bush's $87 billion package for Iraq and Afghanistan despite his support for the war and says he is "wrong on defense."

. . .more at link . . .
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:14 PM
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1. That will blow up right in Chimp's mug
I hope Kerry counters with an ad outlining how Bushco has been screwing the troops and the vets in pay and benefits. 'Nuff said.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:15 PM
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4. Don't forget the stop loss orders
keeping troops on active duty way past their enlistments.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 07:27 PM
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32. You betcha!
Edited on Fri Apr-16-04 07:28 PM by struggle4progress
* enrolls in TANG to avoid combat, barely satisfies his commitment, then sends gaggles of NG to Iraq and extends their tours.

\sarcasm on
Boy, the troops' natural reaction must be anger at Kerry ...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:18 PM
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10. Yup, WAAAAY to Negative
I'm glad he's doing this...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:22 PM
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23. Yes, string them all together, and paint him as the "Liar n' Chief."
Quite an effective campaign ad could come of it!

The Bush gang are so exposed!
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 07:53 PM
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36. An AWOL draft dodging coward criticizing Kerry !
Oh, that's rich. Bring it on you little punk. This will explode in your face putz.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:14 PM
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2. This makes me ill, of course
What with Bush sending undertrained and underequipped troops to their deaths, with Halliburton underfeeding them, undersupplying them, and overcharging us, with Chickenhawks Bush and Cheney calling Kerry names on commitment to the troops?

I propose some LTTEs (I will write one to the awful Oregonian, certainly) to inoculate at least some potential voters against these lies.
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dw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 04:29 PM
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28. If you can figure out how to get something published in The Oregonian...
please let me know. I've tried literally dozens of times without a single success. I ain't such a bad writer, it's just that I'm highly critical of Reinhard in particular and neocons in general.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 04:34 PM
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29. They haven't printed any of my things
Clearly Reinhard is an idiot on par with Hannity, Limbaugh.

What a bunch of boobs.

Keep fighting, though. Gotta keep trying.
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Amerpie Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:15 PM
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3. Body Armor for Bush
The Bush attack dogs ran ads in West Virginia claiming that John Kerry tried to prevent American troops from receiving body armor. That's a lie, told by a predictable group of lying liars.

The truth is that Bush is the president who ordered our troops into combat without body armor. The truth is that Bush used nearly $9 million of money congress authorized for troops in Iraq to buy body armor for the police terrorists bent on suppressing free speech during October's FTAA conference in Miami.

Today, as Bush is running out of active duty troops to deploy to Iraq, the reservists and National Guardsmen who are taking their place still don't have adequate body or vehicular armor. And, Bush doesn't care!
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:17 PM
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8. Okay, well reading your comments and knowing how I feel,
this fucking does it - I hadn't budgeted for any more Kerry money this month, but he's getting $50 more from me as soon as I'm done posting here.

http://contribute.johnkerry.com
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:16 PM
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5. That should be like shooting fish in a barrel for Kerry
His staff should get the response out before Bush's ad even airs. People need to know how contemptuous Bush really is of our military people.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:17 PM
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6. Hell, I am questioning my own support of the troops.
And anybody with an ounce of humanity would be doing the same.
Tell me again why we are not like Nazi Germany?
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:48 PM
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16. Hell, I don't support their actions either
but I support getting their asses out of that mess. They're following orders, just like the Nazis. It goes with the military territory.

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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:17 PM
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7. Bush got his 87 billion
and the troops still don't have body armor.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:21 PM
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12. nor do their humvees
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:52 PM
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18. when I send over a bunch of boxes of poptarts
and there is a feeding frenzy, you know they probably aren't getting much of anything.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:18 PM
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9. Bring it on.
It will only put focus back on Bush and his brave stint with the Texas Air National Guard (no offense to my brothers and sisters in the Guard, BTW).

Ready, fire, aim.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:21 PM
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11. Unlike Bush, Kerry was actually a soldier in combat.
Bush cowered stateside, protecting Texas from...Mexico? :shrug:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:08 PM
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20. He even ran out on "protecting Texas".....
And fled to Alabama.

Did you know that planes from his old unit escorted Air Force 1 for part of its route "out of harm's way" on 9/11?


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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 04:20 PM
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27. The only thing bush* was protecting while in the TANG
was a well warmed bar stool. If people can't see through this, they deserve another four years of Flightsuit Boy!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:24 PM
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13. can we get a cLip of bush saying
"i'm disappointed in some of the troops"

i think that wouLd be a great rebuttaL. anybuddy have it?
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:15 PM
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21. In all fairness
Bush* was referring to the disappointing performance of the Iraqi troops that bugged out prior to the battle. I wonder if Bush* could forgive the Iraqi troops if they left to help a friend in a political campaign? Hey, I think that's what they were doing. Hmmmm.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:40 PM
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14. That vote against the 87 billion was a huge miscalculation
on Kerry's part. He handed them a loaded gun. Of course they will use it against him.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:51 PM
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17. Agreed
Kerry voted against the 87 billion when his campaign was in the middle of civil war (IIRC it was right when he fired Jordan and hired Cahill and her people) and he was trying to beef up his anti-war creds for the primary. In retrospect it was a stupid vote. But I think if this race comes down to support for the troops, Bush is in deep trouble.

Kerry has an awful lot to campaign on in that area.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:38 PM
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24. Agreements...
"In retrospect it was a stupid vote."

If solely to buffer anti-war creds and to be seen "standing up to" Bush, I would agree. Though I don't see him getting hurt too badly on it.

"But I think if this race comes down to support for the troops, Bush is in deep trouble. "

I also agree here. Not voting for a bill that passed anyway vs. overstretching troop commitments, re-deployments, cutting vet benefits etc; Kerry wins that going away.

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 04:35 PM
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30. It was a smart vote
against stupid misspending of the 87 billion. It was primarily a giveaway to Bush's corporate buddies, withi no accounting for several billion of it.
Kerry wanted accountibility for the entire 87 bill.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 07:52 PM
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35. Right. He should vote for wasted money in a wasted war for political
reasons. Sheesh! The money went right into his buddies pockets! We knew it would. What's wrong about voting against misappropriated money??
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:42 PM
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15. easy to counter
side-by-side comparison: GI versus taxpayer-funded mercenary
GI: family on food stamps, having to buy their own ticket to visit family, tour of duty extended, slashed benefits, unarmored Humvee, no body armor, hungry, doing the hard jobs
Mercenary: contractor working on cost-plus basis, making up to $1000 per day, fully armored Humvee, body armor, plenty of food, working inside the lines of defense guarded by the GI
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:57 PM
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19. Pathetic and Desperate
How low can they possibly sink? We still have seven months to go before we throw them out!

http://www.wgoeshome.com


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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:17 PM
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22. More flatulence from a bully and a coward...
...and Dr. Evil, Mr. Bald "I had other priorities" during Vietnam. A pox on the lot of these cowards, liars and bullies.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:39 PM
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25. Here's the answer to Bush's ad..
We offered our ARMY OF ONE ad to Kerry while in New Hampshire (where it ran on cable TV 3000 times during the primaries) if you haven't seen it here it is:

This is the flash movie:

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html

there's also a TV version that you can see on the Bush in 30 seconds MoveOn.org contest where we were one of 16 finalists out of 1600 entries..

Here's that link:

http://www.bushin30seconds.com/view/11_large.shtml

Kerry NEEDS to run this.
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Conor Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 07:42 PM
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33. Ads
Those are some of the best ads I have seen so far. Excellent job!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 04:15 PM
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26. Omnibus bullshit.
Kerry should ignore it.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:30 PM
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31. Two words
Veteran's. Administration.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 07:50 PM
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34. That's a laugh! Talk about picking losing battles!
Bush's record on "supporting the troops" is as bad as his record on the economy, the environment and world relations.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 08:07 PM
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37. Who the hell does he think he is?
What arrogance from an less than intelligently endowed human being who did not actually win an election but was appointed by cronies of his daddy, who serve on the Supreme Court.

I mean, look, George Bush was NOT elected. He is a stupid man that was propelled into office NOT by the PEOPLE of the USA, as we would expect, believeing that we are a democracy here, but by cronies of his father. And that is indeed, something to be ashamed of.

It seems, however,there are few who are ashamed of this. It seems that many, including the media, actually think this is a legitimate way to earn a presidency.

Well a lot of us did not buy that even though many of us were not rich and may have even been below the poverty line.

Uh--we still do not believe it and we have been proven right, in spite of the millionaires and the lucrative seeking so called journalists and talking heads who think they can sway us to their way fo thinging

that is that a stupid man like George Bush is a perfectly capable man to run this country and have his cowardly thumb onthe nuke button.

GET HIM OUT. He, George Bush is INCOMPETANT

and if no on else will say it, we can SAY IT and we can take it to the STREET if we do not get satisfaction from what we think or thought was our defense--the opposition

We do NOT have an opposition.

and if we do NOT have an opposition, we NEED to organize one.

and it is obvious that Kerry is not inclined to do so.

This little prick has got to realize that he did NOT win the election and that, somewhere in the deep recesses of his mind, that might haunt him in his dreams, I hope, that he did not actually win an election and that he is not actually running things but is being used as a puppet by others more intelligent than he in this administration.

He was AWOL himself from his own service and we have a stupid man getting us more involved in total slaughter of other human beings who were not a threat to the USA.

It might be time to bring this to the forefront once more since he NEVER explained why it is that no one seems to have remembered him serving in Alabama.

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