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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:04 AM
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Live animals can now be hunted on the Web
Infuriating article from the SF Chronicle:

Point, click and shoot
Live animals can now be hunted on the Web, and state lawmaker wants practice stopped...

"This is pay per view slaughter," said Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States. "It's almost beyond what anyone could imagine."

"He said only one animal has been killed through the Web site so far -- a wild boar during a hunt requested by a German television station. He has another hunt set up for early April, with a man who is a quadriplegic and can move only his face muscles.

"This guy was an avid hunter before his accident," Lockwood said. "He can't go out and hunt. People like him deserve as much right to hunt as anyone else."
more...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/03/10/MNGHOBN6LT1.DTL

Okay, the guy can't drive either, should we let him drive a car over the internet?
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:07 AM
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1. Boo-fuckin'-hoo.
"This guy was an avid hunter before his accident," Lockwood said. "He can't go out and hunt. People like him deserve as much right to hunt as anyone else."

I've got one sentence for this guy: karma's a bitch. I wonder how many deer have been saved by this guy not being able to blast away at wildlife anymore.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:16 AM
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3. Whew!
When I first read your subject line and thought you were making fun of this old bleeding-heart liberal. I was about to get my blood pressure up past the danger point!
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:27 AM
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4. Me? Never!
I'm a young bleeding-heart liberal, so we're cool.

Of course, my heart stops bleeding pretty quickly for people who whine about how they can't go out shootin' critters anymore.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:11 AM
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2. Okay, so now we're playing the quadriplegic card?
Give me a break. I wonder if they chose this guy as the first one, in order to engender sympathy.

99.999 percent of the rest of them will just enjoy the vicarious thrill of killing without being personally involved. Sort of like our bush administration, eh?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:28 AM
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5. Samantha Bee did a bit on this weeks ago and she was SOOOO funny
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 10:28 AM by havocmom
hope you get to see the rerun someday. She nailed it.

edited to add: Samantha Bee on The Daily Show
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:47 AM
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6. I shot my tv so
I'll try to find a bit torrent on it.
I really do miss The Daily Show, almost enough to buy another tv.
Thanks for the head's up.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:49 AM
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7. Check their web site. Maybe you can get lucky and find a video clip
It was one of the funniest things she has done on TDS and THAT is saying a lot.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:50 AM
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8. Oh yeah,
didn't think about that, thanks!
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:42 PM
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9. This will be stopped
Texas Parks and Wildlife has proposed new regulations specifically to prevent this. Public comments will be accepted until April 6, 2005. The Commission will vote on the proposal later in the month. They will probably vote in favor of prohibiting internet hunting.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/involved/pubhear/proposals/proposals_05_06_hunt_fish.phtml

An amendment to §65.11, concerning Lawful Means, would add a provision to prohibit the take or attempted take of wildlife resources by anyone not personally present at the location where the take or attempted take occurs. The department has become aware of recent adaptations of firearms and computer systems that would make it technologically possible for persons to take wildlife resources by use of electromechanical interfaces while not being physically present at the location where the wildlife resources are taken. The amendment is necessary because there is no way for the department to verify compliance with hunting license laws if the participating party is not physically present when and where a wildlife resource is hunted.

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:00 PM
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10. Wow, when Texas wants to ban something,
you know it's really despicable.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 05:35 PM
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11. Despicable maybe
But definitely a law enforcement problem. How could you prove that the person who shot the deer had a hunting license if they did it over the internet. I also question how effective the technology would actually be.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:56 PM
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12. You're right of course.
I had a blond moment and actually thought the texas authorities were concerned about the ethical implications.
I am a vegetarian and even though I would love to see the day when we no longer kill for fun, I know that won't happen in my lifetime. I would like to see hunters work together to make all canned hunts illegal. The idea of importing exotic animals-any animal-fencing them in and allowing rich pudgy businessmen pay to shoot them for trophies is beyond evil. Any hunter who considers himself to be a sportsman should find it revolting. How does anyone justify that?
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:36 PM
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14. Most of the hunters I know don't approve of it
Texas is a big property rights state so generally they can do what they want, however. It is illegal now to import a lot of those animals. Hunting is a big deal in this state (big surprise LOL) and Parks and Wildlife gets most of their funding from the sales of hunting and fishing licenses so I think for the forseeable future it will not end. I don't have a problem with hunting myself, from a wildlife management perspective. Populations of deer have overrun areas in which there is no hunting- they eat everything in sight but are still starving. To me that is much more cruel than hunting. Texas also has a huge population of feral hogs which do incredible damage to habitats (they puncture tires when you hit them with your vehicle as I have learned from personal experience.)

I do oppose canned hunts and I appose high deer-proof fences which landowners use to keep "their" deer on their property even though wildlife actually belongs to all the people.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:48 PM
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16. I see your point about overpopulation and I agree
it's better than letting them starve but I have a problem with governments "managing" the deer herds specifically for that purpose. If they didn't allow them to over-breed hunters would not have to kill them. I have heard hunters complain that wolves kill deer but wolves kill to eat. They just can't buy hunting licenses.
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glaucon Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:25 PM
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13. Why stop with animals?
Next stop: Go online and shoot an Iraqi ter'rist for Jesus!





ARMED DRONES ROLLING TO IRAQ
www.defensetech.org




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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:42 PM
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15. You know, I had thought of that
but didn't have the guts to say it.
How much longer will it be before we can watch humans (the brown kind only of course) hunted down live on reality tv?

Thanks.
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