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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 03:51 AM
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Juan Cole: Obama's Vietnam?


Obama's Vietnam?


Friday's airstrikes are evidence Obama will take the hard line he promised in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But he should remember what happened to another president who inherited a war.

By Juan Cole

Jan. 26, 2009 | On Friday, President Barack Obama ordered an Air Force drone to bomb two separate Pakistani villages, killing what Pakistani officials said were 22 individuals, including between four and seven foreign fighters. Many of Obama's initiatives in his first few days in office -- preparing to depart Iraq, ending torture and closing Guantánamo -- were aimed at signaling a sharp turn away from Bush administration policies. In contrast, the headline about the strike in Waziristan could as easily have appeared in December with "President Bush" substituted for "President Obama." Pundits are already worrying that Obama may be falling into the Lyndon Johnson Vietnam trap, of escalating a predecessor's halfhearted war into a major quagmire. What does Obama's first military operation tell us about his administration's priorities?

Obama's first meeting with his team on national security issues focused on Afghanistan and Pakistan, in the course of which the new president is reported to have endorsed the drone attacks. Friday's were the first major U.S. airstrikes on Pakistani territory since Jan. 1, because the Pakistan Taliban Movement in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) had launched a campaign to discover local informants for the Central Intelligence Agency, killing 40 of them. The two cells the U.S. hit are accused of raiding over the border into Afghanistan, lending support to the Taliban there.

The tribal notable Khalil Dawar, who lived near the village of Mir Ali in Pakistan's North Waziristan Agency, hosted a party of five alleged al-Qaida operatives in the guesthouse on his property. An American drone hit the site with three Hellfire missiles. According to the Pakistani press, the strike not only killed the four Arab fighters and a Punjabi militant, but also the Pashtun host and some of his family members. A few hours later, missiles slammed into another residence near the village of Wana in a nearby tribal agency, South Waziristan, killing 10. Pakistani sources disagreed over whether there had been any foreign fighters at all at the second target, with locals claiming that 10 family members, including women and children, were the only victims. Villagers in Pakistan's northwestern tribal belt sometimes rent to the Arab fighters because they are sympathetic to their struggle, but sometimes they just need the money.

The U.S. committed itself, when it overthrew the largely Pashtun Taliban in 2001, to building up a new government in Afghanistan and restoring the country to stability. The new government of President Hamid Karzai, however, was viewed as disproportionately benefiting northern ethnic groups such as the Tajiks, Hazara and Uzbeks. NATO search and destroy missions in the ethnically Pashtun south of the country alienated villagers, as did forcible eradication of lucrative poppy crops. The Taliban revived, and new groups emerged allied with them, turning to suicide bombings and attacks on the new Afghan army and on NATO and U.S. troops. Obama has committed to dealing with this problem by increasing the size of the U.S. and NATO troop contingent in Afghanistan, which already stands at more than 50,000, but the plan is facing stiff resistance from NATO allies and their publics.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/01/26/obama/index.html?source=rss&aim=/opinion/feature
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 03:56 AM
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1. Afghanistan is the graveyard of superpowers.
Obama would be wise to approach the situation in Afghanistan and the Pakistani border regions carefully or end up like the Russians and British.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 04:02 AM
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2. It would be a shame if the current government in Pakistan fell
to a more right-wing religious party because we killed the wrong people.
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B o d i Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 04:38 AM
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4. Right-wing and left-wing kinda lose their meaning when it comes to Pakistan, imho.
It's just too messed up... it's all swirled, there's too much physical graffiti.



Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed

Talk and song from tongues of lilting grace, whose sounds caress my ear
But not a word I heard could I relate, the story was quite clear
Oh, oh.

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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 04:34 AM
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3. A full withdrawal is the only way for an American win in this place
Osama is dead. Even if he's not, getting him is not worth the cost of human life - US and Afghan / Pakistani - that will result from this adventure.

A full military wighdraw. Bring in diplomats and people with strong knowledge of Afghani tribal culture by the truckload and have them help - not steer, HELP - the locals come together in a unity government.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 05:24 AM
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5. Yeah, diplomats are gonna do a lot of good when it comes to those
that sneak into a village and kill all the men that allow their daughters get an education. Or for that matter, who kill women just because they can.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:15 AM
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6. And our troops are?
The only possible way to win this militarily is to carpet every inch of that fucked-up piece of hell on earth with Army-issue bootprints. 30,000 troops isn't going to do that. The Soviets couldn't occupy the country with 150,000 soldiers - and that resulted in over a million dead Afghans, and fifteen thousand dead Soviets.

I'm sorry, I know how bad the resurgent Taliban is. But truthfully, there is not much we can do about it with a gun. Fuck, I doubt there's much we can do about it with my solution, either. No matter what the outcome of any sort of operation in Afghanistan is, we're going to come away being VERY unhappy. I'd rather be unhappy without nine thousand dead Americans.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 09:11 AM
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8. And "Please of forget the POPPIES!" = NARCO State = Afghan Tribal Warlords.
:scared: :nuke:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 09:10 AM
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7. Juan Cole is spot on.
:thumbsup:
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