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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:46 AM
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Petraeus cannot win if he sticks with current tactics
Why is Afghanistan referred to as the "graveyard of empires?" What made us think we would be different?

Patrick Cockburn: Petraeus cannot win if he sticks with current tactics

A political and military dead end faces US and British forces

Sunday, 27 June 2010

The US never had vital interests at stake in Baghdad or Kabul. It tumbled into wars in Afghanistan and Iraq in the wake of 9/11 to restore its status as the world's sole superpower, and because it thought victory would come easily in both countries. To its horror, the US political elite found that it was fighting draining wars that demonstrated American weakness rather than strength. The immense US military machine proved unable to overcome local guerrillas numbering in each case fewer than 30,000.

General Petraeus's greatest skills are as a politician who can adapt himself to local circumstances. His reputation for innovative military tactics is largely a smokescreen to hide political manoeuvres. In Afghanistan, the Taliban draw their support exclusively from a portion of the Pashtun community to which only 42 per cent of Afghans belong.

In Afghanistan, it is not that the Taliban is so strong but that the Afghan government is so weak. One Pakistani officer commanding Pashtun tribal levies on the other side of the Afghan border said: "For 3,000 years xenophobia has been at the heart of Pashtun culture." By the same token, the Taliban cannot expand into areas populated by the 58 per cent of Afghans who are Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazara or other minorities.

The International Security Assistance Force report for April seeks to maintain an upbeat tone but reveals, perhaps unwittingly, the political and military dead end facing US and British forces. It cites the Counterinsurgency Field Manual written by General Petraeus which says: "The success or failure of the effort depends, first, on effectively and continuously securing the population, and, second, on effectively establishing a host nation government presence on the local level."

But this is what cannot happen in Afghanistan. In Iraq, it could be done, as the local Sunni population was desperate for protection against Shia militias and al-Qa'ida. In Afghanistan, government officials are often seen as racketeers. The heavily publicised US, British and Afghan offensive to take the town of Marja saw the officials turn up for a few days, then take flight.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-petraeus-cannot-win-if-he-sticks-with-current-tactics-2011731.html
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:50 AM
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1. "What made us think we would be different?"
The arrogance of Americans knows no bounds.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:02 PM
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2. +100 your post
It's deja vu all over again--Vietnam, the sequel, Vietnam, part 3. Worse yet, there wasn't that much local civil war when we got there--we made it immeasurably worse for the people, without fixing anything, not even the suppression of women in Afghanistan nor the strife between Sunni and Shia.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:09 PM
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3. It's not about "winning." It's about keeping the for-profit war industry in business.
Nuff said.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:19 PM
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4. The writer of the piece doesn't have much good to say about the USA.
According to him it's all wrong...whether it be Iraq, Afghanistan, helping Haiti after the earthquake, Yemen, Times Square. Each title is a slam. Perfect we're not, 100% wrong we're not either.
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papadog Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:16 PM
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6. jAXX, i SERVED FOR TWENTY YEARS. WHY AREN'T YOU OVER THERE
And why aren't you making donations to the US for the war effort? You don't have to stop at just paying taxes, you can donate to the U.S Treasury. Please tell me you're doing these things so i can call you a LIAR.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 06:20 AM
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8. I hope it was smothered in anchovies. n/t
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papadog Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:12 PM
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5. It depends on the definition of WIN.
Defense contractors win every day this war continues. Politicians win with every campaign donation from these contractors. If it's not your kid dying over there and your not footing the bill (i.e. taxes) or you're getting compensated for its continuance YOU WIN!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 05:49 PM
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7. nobody will ever win...
in Afghanistan.
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