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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:01 AM
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What FDR Gave Us
What FDR Gave Us
By David Glenn Cox (Author)
http://theservantsofpilate.com


Both of my parents lived through the Great Depression. My father was born in 1920, and my mother was born in 1926. My father was raised in a small industrial town, my mother in inner city Chicago. Those of you familiar with Chicago’s waterfront might be surprised to learn that children once played in the empty shell of what now is the Museum of Science and Industry. It was dilapidated, hollow, crime was rampant in the area, vegetable gardens were guarded with shotguns, and in a strange dichotomy whole families would sleep on the beaches of Lake Michigan on summer nights to escape the Summer heat.


My father grew up in Springfield, Ohio, which at the time was a mill town. Springfield once had eight iron mills, but during the last Great Depression most all of them faded away. My father was the youngest of seven boys and because of the hard times he was sent away to live with his grandfather on the farm in Ross County. My father never really got over his feeling of abandonment, too young to understand the financial reasons for the separation.


As a teen he ran away from the farm and rode the rails, living his own "Bound for Glory" Woody Guthrie tale. He told me about finding a lost boy of about fourteen who was crying and wanting to go home. So he and another boy promised him they would take him home. In their mind's eye they saw a grateful, crying mother and a thankful, relived father insisting they take a reward as the mother fed them home cooking. What they got was an unpleasant, "Thanks," and the door slammed in their faces. Such is the fate sometimes of the well intentioned; the boy was more abandoned than lost and as my father and his friend discussed it they understood why it was that no one was looking for them.


Years later when I was a child, long before seat belt use became common, I would lean forward on the back of the car seat and talk to my father as he drove. We had a game we regularly played, "See it!" He’d say, "That’s a WPA Bridge." I bet we counted a thousand of them; most are gone today but a few survive in rural areas. They were concrete bridges for the most part. Built to high standards and in many cases over-engineered for their time. As my dad would tell it, before those, the bridges across America were rickety wooden bridges built with local expertise for horse traffic, or in many cases they just didn’t exist at all.


Now, as our own current day economy continues to slide towards the brink, I have heard academic free market economists make the claim that FDR and the New Deal actually made the Great Depression worse. This is picked up and parroted by right wing partisans who, using 20/20 hindsight, pick apart the failings of the New Deal without counting up all those things that the New Deal gave us.


It is easy enough to give credence to what the academics say because that’s their business, knowledge and facts and figures and all. Could they be wrong? I mean, a few bridges versus all those statistics. Of course, using that same historical lens, what did Moses do really? Just a delivery boy with a bad sense of direction, but it was what Moses delivered to the people and where he led them and what he led them from that is remembered as important.


Let’s look at Roosevelt’s predecessor, Herbert Hoover. Hoover was strongly against any direct aid to the poor, fearing that the poor would become demoralized. The Republican Congress, likewise, was against any national scheme to aid the poor. The United States was the only industrial power with no system of social security. No system of national unemployment. No minimum wage law, no national labor laws of any kind. No aid for the elderly or the disabled. Looking back at that America it is like looking into a gow of almost medieval proportions.


When Roosevelt had been struck down by polio, he searched the world seeking a cure and ended up in Warm Springs, Georgia. Warm Springs is about an hour from Atlanta but it was light years from Roosevelt’s home in Hyde Park. He was shocked by the living conditions of the people. The lack of electricity and education for the majority of the people, many barely eking out a living by scratching in the dirt as share croppers. But the people welcomed him; their warmth and compassion for his situation touched him. He was like the Buddha leaving the imperial city to find a world of suffering. The townsfolk called him Mr. Frank until the election; then they called him Mr. President.


Before the New Deal, the elderly were the poorest demographic in the country. When you got too old to work, you lived on your savings, and if you didn’t have savings you starved or lived on charity or with your children. America was mainly rural then with most people living on farms, so those elderly worked until the day they died. Healthcare existed only for the rich and hospitals were a cash affair except for the "charity ward". If you were sick or injured you went home and you either got better or you died. There was no public health service. Hypothermia was the second leading cause of death for the elderly and pneumonia was the first. In Detroit in 1932 two people an hour died of starvation; in Toledo unemployment was at 70%.


The Americans of that generation, like our own, sought change and hope, and in 1932 the Republicans were completely repudiated. Roosevelt reversed the federal government's position completely with what was called the alphabet soup of government programs. Of course the most obvious is Social Security for the elderly, but there were many other programs that have faded into history and been forgotten.


In New Orleans, just to use one city as an example, the programs included paving streets, building the airport, and archeology projects for the region as white-collar workers established federal archives for Orleans Parish. Workers were trained in book binding, recovering 25,000 school and library books. The WPA built libraries and refurbished other public buildings. They made mattresses that were distributed to the poor and to hospitals. The canals were dredged and cleared; levees were built. People were trained as cooks, heavy equipment operators, surveyors, and even musicians. You see, the Bourbon Street that you know today might have disappeared except that the WPA put musicians to work as teachers, teaching music to others.


Some projects were frivolous, like harmonica bands, but you have to look at the situation with the understanding of the times, harmonica bands versus doing nothing. These projects were carried out all across America; no matter where you go today you will see something that was originally built by the WPA. No matter where you work or what you do for a living, the New Deal has had a positive impact upon your life. If you get hurt at work your employer is responsible for your medical bills; that was not the case before the New Deal.


My grandfather worked in the steel mills and told of people burned who were just carried home to die. Tonight when the sun goes down and you turn on the lights, think of the smiling photograph of FDR because before FDR most Americans in the South didn’t have electricity. In the 1930’s only 10% of rural Americans had electricity in their homes. Private power companies maintained that it wasn’t cost effective to string power lines outside the cities, another fine example of letting the marketplace work.


There were summer camps for children to give them an escape from poverty. Youth leagues, dance classes, even free showers. Yes, the WPA advertised free, safe, clean showers to the people of New Orleans. Parks, playgrounds and even a dark room where returning soldiers could develop their photos gratis, courtesy of a grateful nation.


The Tennessee Valley Authority, in 1934, began providing power service for the people of Tupelo, Mississippi. Building 26 major dams and hundreds of smaller ones, the TVA changed the face of the rural South. Did you know that in the 1930’s, 30% of the inhabitants in the Tennessee Valley were afflicted with malaria? Wages and living standards were the lowest in the nation, even by Great Depression standards. The modern cities of Atlanta, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Birmingham, Huntsville, Hopkinsville, Paducah, Memphis and Nashville were all built on TVA power.


During the 1940’s the United States armed forces needed aluminum and the shortage was so great that Harry Truman once said, "I want aluminum. I don't care if I get it from Alcoa or Al Capone." The production of aluminum requires large amounts of electricity that the TVA supplied. There were other effects wrought by the TVA, flood control, barge traffic, locks that opened up new vistas to a previously poor and suffering region. It is not by accident that America’s nuclear laboratory was located in Oakridge, Tennessee. The refining of uranium into fissionable materials also requires huge amounts of electricity; without the TVA we might not have gotten the atom bomb first.


The New Deal changed the face of America; it is the seed that modern America was built upon. And it was built without a road map; no administration had ever faced such a situation bordering on a total economic collapse. It should come as no surprise that Roosevelt won four terms in office; he was an American Moses. He led the American people out of the wilderness, and they would have elected him for four more terms if they could.


My own father, who was sent away because his family couldn’t feed him, was able to go home. He finished high school and during WWII he became a Navy pilot. Then after the war he did something that he never dreamed possible. He enrolled at Ohio State University and became a mechanical engineer, thanks to the GI Bill. He went on to become vice president of a mid-sized corporation and then became a professor at a university in Tennessee which didn’t exist before the New Deal.


He never forgot being fifteen and riding the rails and living in hobo jungles with absolutely no opportunities whatsoever. Or to what he became, all thanks to the New Deal and FDR. That’s why it was so important for him to tell his son, "See it!" He’d say, "that’s a WPA Bridge." Moses wandered for forty years seeking the Promised Land; Roosevelt found it in a little more than twelve. As to the academics, well there are some things that just can’t be quantified or measured by statistics. The things that are made up more of feelings and intentions and in just caring about the people's suffering, like the difference between the WPA in New Orleans in 1935 and hurricane Katrina in 2005.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:10 AM
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1. My Father Was Born in Detroit in 1932
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 10:12 AM by Demeter
And our Polish family survived by keeping all the members working together. We didn't lose any children or abandon the elderly--but an awful lot turned to the Church, our women became nuns vs. bearing more children to poverty.


This is what I've been saying all along--put the money with real people and let them do what they do best--work. Even music, art, drama, that's work.

Your story brought tears to my eyes. And I don't cry that much anymore.
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:28 AM
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4. These are
what Democrats are supposed to do, Tax cuts for business to hire workers? Ah, no! Tax cuts for investors to hold on to stocks longer? Ah,no! Bailout industries while letting the workers get kicked to the curb? Ah, no! How about if we let industry not pay their part of the workers Social Security contribution? Ah, no!

How about you invest in renewable energy and use the funds allocated to back stop the nuclear power industry to build 9,000 wind turbines?

How about you pay the unemployed to help keep the libraries open. How about you pay the unemployed to tutor and mentor students.

How about you hire the unemployed to keep highway rest stops clean & open 24/7. I recently had a friend whose a trucker tell me that because the rest stops are closing they either have to pay to park or find a private place or risk a ticket for parking on the highway.
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:30 PM
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8. My Uncle
took over as head of my mothers family at 15 with the help of the church. They checked up to make sure the house was clean and everything was as it was supposed to be. My mother worked in the church after school and the Nuns taught her to sew so she could make her own clothes.
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Moostache Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:52 PM
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9. Ahh...I see, the spectre of "let the churches care for them"...
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 01:58 PM by Moostache
Just so long as no one starts to believe that "faith-based" solutions are the answer...
No.
NO.
NO!!
A thousand times, NO!!!!

Churches and private charity are part and parcel of good citizenry and compassion, but to say that society as a whole and government specifically has no role or place in this vital need is wrong-headed and mean spirited and WRONG!

Besides, when was the last time you saw a group of sewing nuns (or nuns at ALL) in the Joel Osteen-ized bastardization of the "church" that exists today? Next thing I know, you are going to see people suggesting that those who are losing everything - homes, cars, marriages, careers, lives - are in this mess because they do not pray enough for god to give them prosperity...oh, wait, that's right I HAVE seen that already!

Thanks, but no thanks Sister Sarah...
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:14 PM
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10. No one is suggesting "faith-based" solutions
Dave was talking about what happened back then. Churches back then were community minded and were the only ones helping the poor until FDR. There were no government backed help for the poor back then, which is why FDR was so important.

I don't know if your parents ever said that something about "ending up in the poor house". There were actual poor houses back then, rural areas where people who were poor went to live and then waited to die.

zalinda
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:18 PM
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11. No one is
trying to peddle religion this is what happened 60 years ago. Without supervision the children would have gone to an orphanage. My uncle did the work, he quit school and shined shoes, hauled coal and sold newspapers and anything else he could do to keep his nine, eleven and fourteen year old sisters from an orphanage.He took over as head of the house hold and they check up on them every week or two

If you want to make that some sort of commentary about faith based initiative's take it out side, Jerk.
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Bert Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:51 PM
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24. This is in context
Do whatever you want to in church. However, I am against the department of faith based initiatives. I consider it a breach of the separation of church and state, and I know depending on where people come from these days they dont think there is such a thing.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:11 AM
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2. Nicely done.
I wish I could rec multiple times.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:27 AM
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3. Excellent post! Two things I see today...
Let’s look at Roosevelt’s predecessor, Herbert Hoover. Hoover was strongly against any direct aid to the poor, fearing that the poor would become demoralized. The Republican Congress, likewise, was against any national scheme to aid the poor. The United States was the only industrial power with no system of social security. No system of national unemployment. No minimum wage law, no national labor laws of any kind. No aid for the elderly or the disabled. Looking back at that America it is like looking into a gow of almost medieval proportions.


This is the story of the deficit hawks-that aid to the poor & elderly or UI benefits will foster laziness. We need to be calling them out as Hooverites every day. If they get their way about it, we will soon be returning to this scenario. They are the current day bunch who wish we had never left these bad, old days.


Before the New Deal, the elderly were the poorest demographic in the country. When you got too old to work, you lived on your savings, and if you didn’t have savings you starved or lived on charity or with your children. America was mainly rural then with most people living on farms, so those elderly worked until the day they died. Healthcare existed only for the rich and hospitals were a cash affair except for the "charity ward". If you were sick or injured you went home and you either got better or you died. There was no public health service. Hypothermia was the second leading cause of death for the elderly and pneumonia was the first. In Detroit in 1932 two people an hour died of starvation; in Toledo unemployment was at 70%.


There are people sitting on the Cat Food Commission yearning for a return to this right this very minute.

I started hearing the rewrite of the history of the New Deal and FDR by Fox News and the RW propagandists around the time of the inauguration. These very programs FDR instituted that helped the workers and the poor are anathema to them and they seek to avoid having any of this happen, again. Thank you for an accurate history of how the average person in America experienced FDR and the New Deal. There was a reason he won re-election 3 times.
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:43 AM
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5. New Orleans Public Library
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donquijoterocket Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:28 PM
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37. state guide books
While you're checking out WPA photography collections look to see if your favorite library has,or has access to, the wonderful State Guide books put out by the WPA.The OP does not mention the number of libraries and county courthouses constructed under the auspices of the WPA.One of my favorite singer/songwriters Jesse Winchester does a tune entitled Tell Me why You Like Roosevelt which contains the line All our finances had flown away 'til my dad got a job with the WPA.
I fear that repcons and wingnuts of whatever stripe will never understand the healing effect of such things.I was trying the other evening to think of something, anything, that conservatism or the conservative mindset has ever done for the nation.Needless to say I was unsuccessful. When you limit the inquiry to such things as the WPA,the CCC, the TVA, or the REA then the search becomes even more fruitless.I once put that question in its broadest form to a conservative acquaintance of mine.The only reply I got was a lot of furrowed brow and hemming and hawing accompanied by occasional strings of wingnut blathering points.You could almost visibly see the frustration and anger start to build.
I wish our current swarm of jellyfish Democratic legislators would remember and think about that legacy more often than they apparently do.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:52 AM
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6. We have 50,000.000 without jobs today. One in five need assistance
in purchasing food. (Alternet)

Excellent post, could be a preview of "coming attractions."

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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:26 PM
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7. knr. thanks for the sad reminder. We seem to be headed in that direction again.
Why is Obama not pushing job creation?
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:06 PM
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12. My parents always reminded me that they never would have survived the Great Depression without FDR.
Their families would have literally gone hungry without him.

You could say we just about worshiped FDR in our household. FDR is spoken about with great respect and affection in our family.
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:35 PM
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13. The New Deal was the main reason the country survived.
But that was then, and this is now. Carry the spirit of the New Deal into the future, but remember that we need to go well past where the New Deal left off. There's also some unfinished business from the time of the New Deal. Most notably, had the Black-Connery Bill made it through the Senate we'd have had the 30 hour work week in 1933. 77 years and counting is a long time to wait.
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:06 PM
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14. Very, very well done. Thank you. /nt
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:58 PM
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15. Daveparts still
Daveparts still

Precident FDR was a great man for US,a man who "liftet" up a whole country, when the back was broken, and millions was out of work.. And it was horrible poor all over the place.. But you must also rembember that even in Europe, FDR was known as one of the greatest president of all time. Many of the ideas that the President was making in US, was also made posible in Europe to some degree. And most of the wellfare programs who was started after the war, or had been in the making many years before, specially in the 1930s to help the poor as best they could, have also a lot of things, to tank, for the idea that was coming out from the White House when FDR was president..

And FDR, have also, given the honour, as no other american president to be given a staute of himself, in the Capital of Norway. Between City Hall, and the Fortress Akershus, in a lund, there is a president sitting, in a shair, in a prominent place, overrlooking the whole place. http://photos.igougo.com/pictures-photos-p330875-Franklin_D._Roosevelt_Statue_on_Akershus_Grounds.html he was given the honour becouse many norwigians liked him, becouse of his friendship, and helping our royal family under the war.. Our current King was "housueguest" in the White House in 1940-41 before his mom, himself, and the then crown prince Olav was given a hOme, in the suburbs of Washington DC. Even tho the crown prince for the most had his base in London, with his father Haakon the 7th (who was taken the name Haakon, to made a conection to the last king of a sovernigh Norway, who died in 1377) In fact the royal family was often invited into Camp David, and was also known to wisit The White House, and to be guest of the presidental family.. Our current King learned to bike in the halways of the White House.. And he struck a friendship with the american peopole, who he even today have just good words about.. The Preisdent FDR was also instrumental to help Norway, specially with many of the stranded norwigians who was in america, or in places where they could be used far better than just sitting around and waiting the war over.. In fact the modern Royal Norwigian Airforce was build in "little Norway" a militayr base build for the new norwigian airforce, and the president used a lot of power, to give Norway nessesary equipment, to build what would became a modern airforce after the world war was over... Not to say, that Norway was given, more or less for free some military Navy ship, who was not used in the US navy anymore, but who had with some modernizeing many year yet before the scrapjard would take them..

FDR was a true friend of Norway, and most norwgians from that time, and today are reqonice FDR for maybe the most important and best President in the US of all time.. Maybe not that important in an american perspective.. But in a norwigian persctive, the help, and protection many norwigian, and our royal family was given by FDR was more valuable than all the gould in the world..

Norway, the US and indeed the world have a lot to thank for what FDR did before the war, under the war - and the contuing effort the programs he started to work on, did in the aftermath of the war.. Withouth FDR, Im pretty sure that The Marshall Plan of 1946 would never had made it past the american congress... AND the Marshall plan alone, was instrumental in making it posible for most western european nations to survice after the war, who devested most of the continent not to say would have made it posible for political, and maybe renewed military conflict in a few years time...

WE who know our history know that FDR was a great man.. He might have been coming from the wealthigst of families, and could have lived his life in a splendour most americans was not even close to in that age.. But he used a lot of his own money, to help others, who was not able to help themself, or who was ill, sick or elswere disabled.. He was a brave man, a man who looked far longer than most poliicans was at the time.. And maybe even today, many should listen to FDRs dream of a better Amrica, a better world.. Even tho the right wing would try to tell otherwice.. In my book, FDR is one great american president..

Diclotican
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:47 PM
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16. Well...he was flawed...but he gave us VERY GOOD STUFF...so he's a Hero
to so many of us that I have to give this a K&R!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:58 PM
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17. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, David.:thumbsup:
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Shireling Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:24 PM
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18. Economists who claim that FDR made things worse
are just playing the corporate game. Disgusting.

:hippie:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:53 PM
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19. so right on. big k and r.
...an East TN State grad wonders, what university in TN did you father teach at?
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:09 PM
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20. K&R
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mgc1961 Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:38 PM
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21. More FDR.
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 08:26 PM by mgc1961
As the decade of the Dust Bowl and Great Depression approached it's end, President Roosevelt made an appearance in Amarillo, TX on July 11, 1938. Accompanied by a band, he paraded through the town to see how the farmer's were holding up in the midst of desperate times:

The crowd was enormous, nearly a hundred thousand people in a city with less than half that population. They jammed into Ellwood Park under uncertain skies and lined the streets for three miles back to the station. At 6:45, a train pulled into Amarillo from the east. Word went out: He's here! The crowd stirred and a ripple of cheers followed. The wind was gathering force, and the light seemed to fall out of the sky sooner than it should have. The heat dissipated quickly. As clouds thickened, Amarillo's leaders worried that a duster was about to dump a load on the leader of the Western World.

Some people had driven for two days on drifted roads to get a glimpse of the president. He was not one of them, but many felt that this crippled man from New York had kept his promise: he had not forgotten them. The flatland was not green or fertile, yet it seemed as if the beast had been tamed. The year had been dry, just like the six that preceded it, and exceptionally windy, but the land was not peeling off like it had before, was not darkening the sky. There were dusters, half a dozen or more in each of April and May, but nothing like Black Sunday, nothing so Biblical. Maybe, as some farmers suggested, Bennett's army had calmed the raging dust seas, or maybe so much soil had ripped away that there was very little left to roll. Amarillo had begged the government to send it CCC soil-saving and tree-planting crews to the Panhandle, and when they came, they were greeted like firemen arriving at a blaze. Rows of spindly trees - little more than sticks in the ground - now ran through the land, nearly forty million saplings, 3,600 miles of living hope, planted within the most tattered parts of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. In addition, farmers were paid a stipend to list their soil and plant grass alongside the work done by the CCC. Nearly a million acres were under contract as part of Bennett's blueprint to rescue the land. Bennett hoped that seven million acres would eventually be replanted in grass, a prairie reborn in "that delicate miracle the ever-recurring grass," as the poet Walt Whitman called it.

<snip>

The land all around Roosevelt's parade route showed signs of terminal disorder. How to explain a place where black dirt fell from the sky, where children died from playing outdoors, where rabbits were clubbed to death by adrenaline-primed nesters still wearing their Sunday-school clothes, where grasshoppers descended on weakened fields and ate everything but doorknobs? How to explain a place where hollow-bellied horses chewed on fence posts, where static electricity made it painful to shake another man's hand, where the only thing growing that a human or a cow could eat was a unwelcome foreigner, the Russian thistle? How to explain fifty thousand or more housed abandoned throughout the Great Plains, never to hear a child's laugh or a woman's song inside their walls? How to explain nine million acres of farmland without a master? America was passing this land by. Its day was done.

Roosevelt had first tasted prairie dust in 1934, when it blew into the White House. Now he was at the source. The rain started just after the president's train pulled into Amarillo. What are the odds of that? Hundred-to-one, local reporters said. It came in showers at first, the tight clouds frayed at the bottom, and then developed into a downpour. People strained to hold the big flag in place, but it grew heavy as it took on the weeping skies. They wanted the president to see the biggest flag in the world before it broke under the weight of water. Roosevelt rode slowly in an open car, through the rain, down the three-mile length of town to the park.He was hatless, and water splattered off his glasses and ran down his nose, but he kept his political face forward, jaw out, smiling and waving. The rain pooled in the streets, and people stood in fast-rising puddles, their shoes wet, to get a glimpse of the president. When he passed by the big flag, Roosevelt ordered the car to stop. He saluted the seamstresses standing near their creation, and the young men trying to hold the flag above ground. Music still poured forth from the world's biggest marching band, even as the instruments were pelted. Now the giant flag began to sag: the young men could not keep it from the drooping. The stars and stripes bled away from the 150-square yards of cloth onto the wet street, bled purple.


Egan, Timothy, The Worst Hard Time, 2006, pgs. 303-304, 305-306.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:45 AM
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31. mgc1961 Thank you for posting this
What a positive change FDR made in so many people's lives. I especially love the passages you posted:

"The crowd was enormous, nearly a hundred thousand people in a city with less than half that population. They jammed into Ellwood Park under uncertain skies and lined the streets for three miles back to the station. At 6:45, a train pulled into Amarillo from the east. Word went out: He's here! The crowd stirred and a ripple of cheers followed. The wind was gathering force, and the light seemed to fall out of the sky sooner than it should have. The heat dissipated quickly. As clouds thickened, Amarillo's leaders worried that a duster was about to dump a load on the leader of the Western World.

"Some people had driven for two days on drifted roads to get a glimpse of the president. He was not one of them, but many felt that this crippled man from New York had kept his promise: he had not forgotten them. The flatland was not green or fertile, yet it seemed as if the beast had been tamed"



"They wanted the president to see the biggest flag in the world before it broke under the weight of water. Roosevelt rode slowly in an open car, through the rain, down the three-mile length of town to the park.He was hatless, and water splattered off his glasses and ran down his nose, but he kept his political face forward, jaw out, smiling and waving. The rain pooled in the streets, and people stood in fast-rising puddles, their shoes wet, to get a glimpse of the president. When he passed by the big flag, Roosevelt ordered the car to stop. He saluted the seamstresses standing near their creation, and the young men trying to hold the flag above ground. Music still poured forth from the world's biggest marching band, even as the instruments were pelted. Now the giant flag began to sag: the young men could not keep it from the drooping. The stars and stripes bled away from the 150-square yards of cloth onto the wet street, bled purple."


These passages just make me weep. Egan's book is a fascinating read.
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:18 PM
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22. I hope the people on this board
Who have bashed FDR will take a moment and reflect. Yes he had flaws but the good he did more than made up for anything negative.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:43 PM
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23. Great post
And that NOLA WPA photo collection link is a treasure. Thanks.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:12 AM
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25. K&R
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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:45 AM
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26. K&R
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:48 AM
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27. Academics who say that FDR made the depression worse
are almost universally right wing academics. The general consensus is as you describe it. That's why polls of historians consistently rate FDR among our best three presidents.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:46 AM
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32. Right Wingers hate FDR while they praise Reagan to the skies
Go figure.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:28 PM
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39. They're both cases of "message discipline"
The predator class has to tarnish FDR's (and Carter's) legacy in order to push their failed Chicago School economics, just as they have to elevate the empty suit Reagan to the status of Greatest President Ever. There's a reason they want to get Reagan's fizzog on the dime rather than, say, the $100 bill.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:20 AM
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28. K&R.... what a great post!
The Tennessee Valley Authority... I live within an hour of 3 nice dams/lakes in Mid-TN. Many people have forgotten or take it for granted, but our lives and livelihoods are so rooted in New Deal programs.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:54 AM
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29. THIS is what we need today
President Obama, are you listening?

If we don't tackle our massive unemployment problem and our rapidly deteriorating infrastructure, our country will end up as a Second World failing nation, with parts of it becoming Third World.

WE NEED A MASSIVE JOB CREATION PROGRAM ___ NOW!
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:05 AM
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30. This reminds me of something I read recently: the English reaction to the Irish potato famine.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 10:06 AM by mistertrickster
In "The Decline and Fall of the British Empire" quoted from an editorial in "The London Times" 1846:

“For our part, we regard the potato blight as a blessing. When the Celts once cease to be potatophagi, they must become carnivorous. With the taste of meats will grow an appetite for them; with the appetite, the readiness to earn them. (So finally the Irish will gain qualities necessary for hard work) unless, indeed, the growth of these qualities be impeded . . . by the recklessness of Government benevolence.”

In other words, starvation is just what the lazy, poor Irish need.

Nice, real nice.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:59 AM
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34. Daveparts still Thank you so much for posting this
It's so nice to see something positive posted about FDR. Like many of the other posters, my family also remembers FDR as the president that got them through some of the worst times of their lives. It's nice to see him get some credit for the good things he did for so many, amidst the many challenges his administration faced. I was also very touched by the way he struggled with his own disability, never letting it stop him from accomplishing so many things in his private & public life. He was truly an amazing man.

Thanks again!
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onlyadream Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:58 AM
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33. Thank you
I just copied and sent it to my friend who claims that FDR was the worst thing that ever happened to our country.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:17 PM
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35. He was called " Our President " for good reason.
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Lost Jaguar Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:04 PM
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36. Excellent piece, Dave-o.
Thanks so much for writing it. Let's not forget that the Robber Barons tried to oust him in a military coup early in his first term. Thank God they were unsuccessful.

FDR also saw the threats of German Fascism and Japanese Imperialism early and worked tirelessly to defeat them, even when many Conservatives resisted his efforts. Those idiots would have let England collapse without our help in the summer of 1940; if that happened, where would we be now? Before Pearl Harbor, most of the politicians in the mid-west, and plenty others, largely Republicans, were isolationists. Some actually admired Adolf.

After Pearl Harbor, FDR commanded the U.S. military to victory, against frightening odds. In mid-1941, the Army had less than 300,000 men in uniform, the Air Force had less than 1,000 planes in flyable condition, and the Navy had ZERO amphibious vessels.

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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:43 PM
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38. Excellent post! And btw, "academics" are paid for by corporatists.
They're far from pure, or believable. They are the worst sort of enablers, and what's even worse - given their presumed intelligence, they know exactly what they're doing (or are negligent in not knowing).

Academics have a long history of being mere propagandists, dressed up in undeserved good reputations.

And if that's in any doubt to anyone, check out Treason in America: from Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman by Anton Chaitkin (especially the terrific and abundant footnotes).
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