it ain't just the freepers

[ButterflyBlood]

now people at DU are comparing Dean to Hitler: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=108&topic_id=8500&mesg_id=8563&page=

I can't wait till someone says Dean is worse than Bush because of his supporters.

[Maple]

1. Dean and Hitler???

Somebody needs to adjust their meds.

Parties lose elections because they can't focus, and fight amongst themselves.

The next election is the Dems to lose...please stop trying to do that.

[Colin Ex]

2. I'm German, so you can compare me to Hitler

if you want.

I don't like Howard Dean, but comparing him to Hitler is pretty absurd (and kind of funny, since I have a dark sense of humour).

His groupies kind of creep me out, though.

-C

[Cha]

14. I'm not a "groupie". But I do support Dean as a candidate for the

Dem to beat bush back to crawford.

Sorry, if you're creeped out!

[Colin Ex]

17. If you lie awake at night

and dream of Howard Dean while you sleep or masturbate, that makes me creeped out.

As long as you don't Spread the Love about Howard Dean to the four corners of the Earth a la Jehovah's Witnesses, it's perfectly A-OK to me.

[Cha]

25. Whatever.

[Colin Ex]

35. Yeah Dean! Whapsh! Whapsh!

Nice sense of humor.

[unfrigginreal]

3. The mods need to step in on this...

it is way over the top.

[geomon]

19. The mods need to step in on this

Hmmmm....free speech anyone?

[StClone]

4. Good

That means the disrupters that have meticulously worked their way into DU may be blowing their cover as they work to sew the seeds of doubt. Which means Dean has got them scared and desperately working their voo doo gameplan.

[Colin Ex]

6. That's kind of funny too.

I think you're just a little on the high-strung side. Anybody who meticulously makes plans to disrupt the DU forums to hurt Howard Dean's supporting movement needs to get on some meds fast.

Seems a little over the top to me.

-C

[unfrigginreal]

7. The stars are aligning my friend...get on a winner early....

and look like a genius!

[Colin Ex]

9. Still,

my candidate choice at this point doesn't have much to do with this. Besides, all the people going nuts about the primary only serve to annoy the hell out of me for the most part.

Doesn't have much to do with my point, though, which is that the notion of a great conspiracy to do damage to the Dean camapign on DU is pretty damn funny.

-C

[StClone]

40. "Only serve to annoy the hell out of me for the most part."

You must be new(er) otherwise you would know about disruptors...

Me tightly wound? Read your words in my post heading. Yeah that is real calm thinking about people selecting a candidate to go with already.

I have not selected a candidate yet Mr. Teutonic

[geomon]

13. wayyyyy over the top..

but thats what makes this forum so fun!!

[RevolutionStartsNow]

5. Already been said (Dean worse than Bush)

It was said recently (by guess who?) that Dean is "in a way worse than Bush" and then later that "if anyone is to blame for this war, it's Dean". (Nearly fell off my chair with that one).

And anyone who doesn't know that Dean is evil just hasn't looked into his lyin' eyes!

Sheesh. Hatred gone awry.

Anyone who watched the Chimp smirk and stutter through his press conference this morning should turn their attention to supporting ANY AND ALL candidates opposing that lyin' moron.

[shooga]

10. well - if he is compared to Hitler ... (good news for votes)

... if Dean is compared to Hitler ... he might steal some votes from skin-head-wannabees at der Freeper land - this is a good thing.


http://www.fahrenheit911.info



remember 2001


remember 2001 - he took a four week vacation in Crawdaddy Texas .... and we all know what happened in September of that year .....

..... little weird how FuhrerLand Security is talking about possibility of attax again ......... hmmmmmmmmmmmm....


http://www.fahrenheit911.info

[philosophie_en_rose]

18. OMG! What the hell is that?

I'm not exclusively supporting Dean, but what the hell is happening around here? I may just be an ignorant liberal, but how exactly is Dean responsible for the war? How exactly is he like Hitler? How is he like Bush?

Was that Prescott Dean who was a Nazi collaborator?

Was it Dean who manufactured evidence to send American soldiers to death and suffering in Iraq?

Was it Dean who failed at everything from diplomacy to eating snack foods?

:shrug:

Again, what the hell is going on here?

[RevolutionStartsNow]

31. Welcome to the world of the rabid anti-Dean fan

Yes, Dean is responsible for the war. Something about how his anti-war stance polarized the Dems and allowed Bush to push on. It's some twisted stuff.

Also, Vermont under Dean was a police state, where the poor were raped and the rich were coddled.

And all of his supporters are mindless drones, simply because we don't care to engage the Dean bashers in any serious discussion because, well, what's the point?

I don't know what's going on here...but it's bound to only get worse. Dean has momentum and it's pissing off the people who claimed he was dead 2 months ago, that he couldn't raise money or get any supporters.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

8. Seems a lot of misinformed people jump right on the Dean bus

just personal experience mind you, but disturbing nonetheless.
Reminds me of the Jesse Jackson fever in '88. Jesse attracted a lot of young, first timers.
But, just an observation mind you.

[Gringo]

15. Oh yeah, Dean's exactly like Jackson

Whatever - there is no similarity between the candidates or the supporters.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. No. But the phenomenon of the "outsider"

has been enjoyed by Dean. I am also just noting the "charisma" factor noted in the "Hitler" post linked here.

[gristy]

20. Sadly, better than 95% of voters are probably misinformed

when they get to the voting booth. Or under-informed anyways. I've read Dean's position papers and seen him speak once. I support him, but actually feel under-informed. But I have this sneaking suspicion that I am more informed than most.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

34. So do you think Kerry's an insider 'sell-out'?

or in other ways jaded and unfit for office? Why Dean over Kerry?

[geomon]

11. Where is the comparision??????

the post concerned blindly following charismatic leaders like the Nazis did with hitler...geez are we getting a little jumpy now???

:)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

12. Quite honestly...

I would compare anyone who uses these comparisons a mole disruptor, who has been "activated" to sow FUD in our ranks, for this election.

My appraisal may not be far from the truth, either. Any honestly registered Dem who engages in such hyperbole should take a much-needed break from DU and use the time to look deeply into him or herself.

[geomon]

16. thought police on the move...

must..not..speak...against....other dems...must not think....must not question...oh praise the great glory of the Democratic party....must not question...must obey...

freakin scary!

I love it!
:)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

21. Hardly...

And I said nothing of the kind, either. But comparisons of The Dean Campaign to Hitlerian organizing and blaming the war on Dean goes quite beyond the pale and is just plain drooling mindless and a gratuitous polemic to boot.

Now, my friend, do you wish to argue these points? I know my loins are girded for this one.

[geomon]

28. No problem..

I would like to see how Hilter is compared to Dean in the original post. I Read the post as reffering to blind followers of a political party and or leader. The comparision was to the actions of the supporters of Dean. As for blaming Dean for the war this issue was not part of the original post.

If you read my post you will see that I did not attribute what I said to you. My point , if you missed it, was in response to the (IMHO) paranoid ramblings about moles being activated. To be more specific my post should have read: The logic that if someone speaks badly about Deans followers then they must be a mole is actually nothing but a paranoid assumption based on ????? well I can't reallt fathom why someone would write wht you wrote. I guess that I need convincing.

Read the original post link and perhaps the argument will be over then?

original post:

We've had examples of Hitler, Mussolini, and lots of other historical figures who were blindly followed. Good people didn't want to know where they stood on the issues. We saw this with Bush after 9/11. Now we are seeing it with the Deanies. I cannot believe that these people are as right-wing radical in their approach as Dean appears to be and yet they blindly follow him. Anyone who dares to tell the truth about where Dean stands on the issues is put down as being negative. How dare we discuss Dean's stances? What is the difference between Deanies and the Bushies and the Nazis? How do we immunize these people against this willingness to blindly follow leaders and to instead look at facts and issues?
 

[ButterflyBlood]

23. if someone started trashing a Dem candidate with NewsMax articles

they'd be staring at their new tombstone pretty quickly.

[Jim Sagle]

24. My opinion: get rid of the disruptor moles - now!

I'm intolerant of blatant disinfo, and proud of it.

[geomon]

32. What disinformation??

???

[Colin Ex]

37. What disruptor moles?

First things first, after all. "What disinformation?" can wait, let's start at square one.

-C

[quinnox]

26. Whoa, does criticism of Dean now equal

disruptor? I think not.

[ButterflyBlood]

27. comparing him to Hitler does

the same way if someone decided to criticize him and used NewsMax articles to back up his points.

[quinnox]

30. Debateable

There have been threads in the past posted in Politics Forum and in GD, that were attacks on Kerry and were from right wing sources. Yet they remained.

In any case, if you think the post is out of line, by all means alert on it. It is up to admin to decide.

To clarify, the thread was started by me, but the post in question was not mine.

[Colin Ex]

36. I would think

If NewsMax is all you have, then your argument may have a few flaws.

However, though, if you can't take NewsMax down and dissect it, then you might have a few problems.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

29. Criticism is not disruption.

Hyperbole and polemics of the kind that are referenced above walk a thin, thin line.

[geomon]

33. And you are the judge??

Hmmm...

[farmbo]

38. RNC's so flush with $$$, they probably have 3 paid DU disrupters

9:05...clock in at RNC headquarters

9:35...load up a stinkbomb thread or 2 on Dean, Kerry, Gephardt, etc

9:45- 4:30...fan the flames

4:30...clock out and catch the White Power Rally on the way home

[Adjoran]

39. "Hitler" references get thrown around

. . . a lot on the internet, and about 99.9% of them are ridiculous. The guy started WWII, devastated Europe, and was the direct cause of about 20,000,000 deaths. Hitler's in a class all by himself.

I'm uncommitted, but I'm not yet convinced Dean can win. I think finding a candidate who can win is crucial. Bush looks tough to beat right now, but so did his Daddy in 1991.

Nobody thought Clinton could win in 1991, either.

Dean is showing some strength in key early states and has great momentum, but he is still fourth in the national polls of Democrats, behind Lieberman, Gephardt, and Kerry in that order. Nonetheless, he deserves an honest look. And I think most of his supporters are ardent because they have finally found a candidate who speaks to THEM, instead of fudging the issues to appeal to the mushy middle.

I still think Gore is the strongest candidate, and would be the best for the "down-ticket" of Democrats running for lower offices, but if he doesn't get in, I'm watching the others closely and trying to keep an open mind.