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supercrash Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:28 PM
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LIHOP about to be proven
With the FBI whistleblower telling the commission about the warnings Bush recieved

If this is true...then LIHOP is proven....correct ?

And IF this is proven....isn't Bush more evil than Osama ?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:29 PM
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1. Is this whistleblower going to testify?
I thought she was just talking to the press.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:32 PM
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3. I think she already testified.
Closed door meeting.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 09:19 AM
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16. she did testify..said she SAW the papers' hijacked commercial aiplanes'
to be used as missles and flown into buildings in the US"

opps condi!!!!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:58 PM
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31. But... did she think to make copies of them??
You can bet that those files are scrubbed cleaner than the National Guard records..

By the time we get Raygun & Poppy1's records opened up, they will fit in a school notebook binder ...
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:31 PM
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2. Sure..
It'll be proven...

And democracy will return to America and everything will be sunshine and roses...

Oh wait, this is the real world.
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AngryYoungMan Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:32 PM
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4. Not necessarily.
It proves that they're not really being honest about their pre-9/11 priorities. It proves that they have no idea how to respond to direct FBI intelligence. But it doesn't necessarily prove that they BELIEVED or UNDERSTOOD the threat. Remember we're talking about Bush here. Remember the vacant look on his face in the still photo of Andy Card whispering in his ear in the classroom.

If only more Americans would get past their vague fantasies about how he "went over there" and "kicked their asses" after 9/11.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:38 PM
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5. that's an act
bush is indeed not the brightest bulb -- but he is ambitious, and a cruel streak to go with his stupidity.
vicous and stupid amke for dangerous reckless people.
and remember we have lots of people in this admin that got their jollies in the reagan admin from killing priests and nuns. those are the people bush surrounds himself with.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 10:11 PM
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36. Sho 'nuff, yes it's true
That's a heady cocktail of personality traits to stuff into one decidedly little person, isn't it?

The sheer meanness, vindictiveness and haughtiness of the guy is breathtaking, and he and his pals aren't going to go peacefully. Just as mediocre minds hide behind advanced degrees (like Condi does) to forcefully promote their "brilliance", shallow and greedy people buttress themselves with claims of "niceness" and honesty. Once these unsustainable posturings are manhandled to the ground, there will be nothing left.

This guys the most powerful nobody since Louis XVI, and his unprincipled LYING needs to be chorused loudly until he snaps.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:39 PM
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7. yeah I remember that vacant look well
though when I say LIHOP I'm not speaking of W himself. He's a cipher, and I would have no trouble believing that they didn't tell that dumb-ass a damned thing.

I also remember PNAC, and their need for a "new Pearl Harbor" in order to get public support for a military takeover of the middle east
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supercrash Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:40 PM
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8. Come on...
Even Bush understands these memo's

Wasn't the August 6th memo titled 'Bin Laden determined to strike US'

Easy enough

Maybe another memo comes to him saying... 'Al'Qaeda may use comercial planes in a attack this summer'

I am pretty sure he understood...Bush only appears to be a idiot
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 09:54 PM
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35. Aug 6 PDB title was 'Bin Laden determined to strike *in* US'
Don't forget the *in*.

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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:39 PM
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6. This should be part of the 9/11 report
She is telling the press that this is what she told the commission.

August 6th, 2001. Stupid-Ass Bush is sitting on his Stupid-Ass ranch in Crawford. Some CIA agent with his hair on fire shows up with the PDB.

"Uh, sir, everyone's hair is on fire at the CIA. Osama is going to strike soon."

Bush: "Sure, I'll be with you, right after I move THESE STICKS."

Sept. 11, 2001 Stupid-Ass Bush is sitting around again, this time in a classroom in FL.

"Uh, excuse me, Mr. President, but Al Qaeda is crashing planes into major landmarks."

BUSH: "Not, now, Andy, we don't know how the GOAT STORY ends yet!"

This is crazy -- I know it has gone on too long to really be a nightmare, but I still hope some days that I'm going to wake up.

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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FL4GORE Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:54 PM
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9. Will it matter?
It might if Kerry wins in November. Can hope though.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:02 PM
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20. Hi FL4GORE!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 08:00 PM
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10. Not even close. Screwing up warning signs is not "LETTING IT" happen.
The standard for what "LIHOP" means can not be simply failing to put all the clues together. That's watering down the meaning. LIHOP means that they put the signals together into a cohesive story--an understanding that something was going to happen soon--and still doing nothing about it in the hopes that the popular reaction would benefit them politically.

That's what "LIHOP" means to the average voter you mention such a conspiracy to and if you make that accusation, you damn well better be prepared to prove it. Otherwise you make us all look bad. The left needs more Al Frankens, not more Ann Coulters.
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supercrash Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 08:10 PM
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11. Easy boy....
I also heard that Gary Hart told Condi just days before the attacks that..."The terrorists are coming....the terrorists are coming"

No warning uh Condi ?

If these PDB's and warning memo's do plainly lay out the Al'Qaeda plan...by saying something about planes as weapons used to strike buildings ...The FBI whistleblower says there is a time frame in the warnings...and cities are listed with skyscrapers

If there are detailed warnings like this....then I find it impossible to think they didn't know what was coming...and a good idea of when it would happen...and who was doing it

Ashcroft stops flying commercial right before 9-11

Ashcroft is on Cipro right before the Anthrax attacks

Anthrax is only sent to Democrats....despite the fact that the Republicans are in Power...are the terrorists confused...?...Or is it the American people who are confused ?
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FL4GORE Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 08:21 PM
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12. Sadly,
It is the American populace. So many are stupid and not
willing to see the truth.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 08:26 PM
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13. That's because our media is asleep. SO LET'S WAKE 'EM UP:
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FL4GORE Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 08:47 PM
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14. Thanks for all the links calimary!
I just moved to FL and found DU!
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Katarina Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 09:21 AM
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18. Hi FL4GORE!
Welccome to DU from another Floridian! :hi:
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FL4GORE Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:12 PM
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27. Thanks Katarina
So glad I found DU and like minds!
Bu$hCo is killing this country.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:57 PM
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23. Thanks back atcha! And Welcome to DU!
Those links are the product of several of us here at DU. Mainly bigtree. Mari333 posted one, too. I just picked 'em up and put 'em together, and added a few of my own. Apologies to those other DUers who presented some of this info - like the 9/11 Commission contacts, to whom I wasn't able to give credit.

But that's the kind of place DU is. LOTS of good, useful, and IMPORTANT info here, from MANY enterprising and dedicated believers in true freedom and democracy.
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FL4GORE Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:36 PM
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28. calimary...
Thanks again. The folks here at DU are beyond belief!
I love reading and now posting here! There is so much
information! I will be sure to keep in touch.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:14 PM
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21. they're bein' PAID to take a snooze.....
.....every last one o'those whores...there's no amount of truth...or public outcry that's gonna make 'em change their tunes..all my REPS are also towin' the PUKES line for 'em regardless of the people who got 'em elected their heads are buried up the rights asses...seems the $$$$$$$$ talks and the TRUTH is irrelevant.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:46 PM
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25. Hi FL4GORE!!! Welcome to DU!
Sadly you may be right about the US populace. Heaven help US.
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FL4GORE Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:52 PM
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30. Christ help US! Just kidding!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 08:53 PM
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34. All in the family!
:pals:
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:41 PM
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29. One thing:
Ashcroft stops flying commercial right before 9-11

It wasn't "right before 9-11"... it was several months before, and ostensibly in response to a different threat. Now, Ashcroft could have known it was coming, but if he wasn't the only one that knew it was coming, wouldn't others have stopped flying as well? Would Olsen have been on one of the planes that day? Solicitor General isn't exactly a low-ranking official.

Anthrax is only sent to Democrats....despite the fact that the Republicans are in Power...are the terrorists confused...?...Or is it the American people who are confused ?

Al Qaeda has stated, on numerous occasions, that they want "Holy War" with the West. Democrats were stalling Bush from doing just that. Al Qaeda striking the Democratic Party makes sense.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 09:14 AM
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15. Yup, not proven yet. But, closer.
This is a huge game. A year ago even saying that Bush didn't do a good job on terrorism was met with rabid denials.

You may require that letting it happen on purpose involves specific acts or even proof of those acts. Acts such as ordering denial of FISA warrants, that interceptors be kept down, that Anthrax be sent to Democrats and news media in concert with attacks, keeping Anthrax in sight by waving vials in front of cameras, enact martial law in Florida, keep FBI & CIA from communicating, keep president away from WH and into low level buildings and ranches especially after August 6th and August 20th memos, and set up shadow government not including Democrats.

Wanting PNAC for its supporters or its associated war machine supporters may lead to wanting, yearning for a precipitating act. Not that one would plan it, or would plan to allow it, i.e. let it, just that one would want it. And, in wanting it, making decisions to not know, not with plan but with subconscious resolve.

Would this be any less than on purpose. Would this be any less than to let happen, because these were not planned in the front of the brain. Good people realize this human fragility and plan to stop wants from taking control of their acts.

These people had motive and way too much opportunity. The opportunity arose from making things happen on purpose in selection 2000 from paid protesters to complicit representatives to state judges to supreme court justices.

Just in case you didn't recall just how far they would go.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 09:20 AM
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17. you're preaching to the choir here...i'm an MIHOPer
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 09:24 AM
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19. I don't know if LIHOP can be proven
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 09:25 AM by mmonk
but there is evidence that there was ordered inaction by some member of either the administration or FBI. That person wouldn't necessarily mean a whole administration or government agency would have been involved. Most likely an individual or small group that could have made their way into government as an operative.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:40 PM
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22. This might change your mind
It might even bring you closer to MIHOP. (One thing I know is that this post will officially kill the thread. Nevertheless, if anyone is so inclined, use this post as Dropaganda and leave it in a public place where someone else will find it and read it. Ideal locations for maximum exposure include book stores, copy shops, libraries and train stations. Buses, taxis, laundromats, and check-out lines at the grocery store. Hair salons, rest rooms, gas stations and convenience stores. Anywhere you happen to be will work just fine. If the media won't get the word out, WE sure as hell can!)

==============================


George W. Bush constantly reminds the nation about the threat of terrorism that began with 911 but he leaves out a few important details that you should know.........

In June 1997, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was born. Populated by influential Movers of industry and Shakers of public opinion, the PNAC is an organization united in the vision for a global U.S. empire - "Pax Americana" - through coercion and military domination. Their philosophy can be simply summarized:

  • There are countries to plunder and fortunes to be made. You have it, we want it. Do as we say or suffer the consequences.

  • The U.S. already has a powerful military but we plan to nurture and grow it until it's massive and we are indominable. Resistance is futile. We are.......


Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Steve Forbes, William J. Bennett, Frank Gaffney, and I. Lewis Libby, signator's - among others - of the PNAC's "Statement of Principles".

"We need to...challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values."

"We need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future."

"It is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


JANUARY 1998 - The PNAC knew that he who owns the oil also owns the world so they sent a letter to President Clinton urging him to attack Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein from power since he put "a significant portion of the world's supply of oil at hazard". Clinton didn't grant them their wish and the PNAC was disheartened that they couldn't manipulate the military while outside of the White House power structure.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


MARCH - APRIL 1999 - In an effort to capture and control the castle and all its warriors and weapons, the PNAC offered up members Steve Forbes, Dan Quayle and Gary Bauer to run as Republican candidates in the upcoming Presidential election.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/profile.htm


JUNE 1999 - Ever persistent and determined to maximize their potential for success in the Presidential campaign, the PNAC exercised their power of nepotism and member-Jeb Bush's brother George stepped up to the plate to join the race.


SPRING 2000 - The PNAC may have felt confident with their candidate's chances for winning the White House but they were absolutely smug over what they saw as a possible Fallback Plan...electronic voting machines with severe security flaws that included hidden backdoors, erasable audit trails and multiple vote totals with the potential to propel vote tampering to new heights through the magic of remote access.

How To Rig An Election In The United States
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

Can the votes be changed?
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/access-diebold.htm

Bettter yet, Chuck Hagel - a fellow Republican loyalist - owned the ES&S voting machine company that counted 60% of all U.S. votes. He had already won one election and was part of the U.S. Senate power team in Washington.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

Assured that the White House would soon be theirs, the PNAC debuted their 76-page blueprint to achieve world domination. "Rebuilding America's Defenses" became the PNAC's manifesto, detailing the ideal level of military power to specifically eliminate the hostile regimes of Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea and it endorsed pre-emptive strikes against them, tradition be damned. Iraq was given star billing as Control Central for their Mideast base of operations.

At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

"American landpower is the essential link in the chain that translates U.S. military supremacy into American geopolitical preeminence.

"We cannot allow North Korea, Iran, Iraq or similar states to undermine American leadership."

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

What is particularly foreboding and chilling in view of events to later unfold, is this statement bemoaning the lengthy process of rebuilding the existing U.S. military according to the heightened standards and specifications the PNAC aspired to.

...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://cryptome.org/rad.htm


NOVEMBER 2000 - Saddam may have sensed an ill wind in the air when he made the first strike, turned his back on the U.S. Dollar and accepted only Euros as payment for his oil. This had the potential of seriously destabilizing the U.S. economy and the PNAC considered this an hostile act of aggression towards their personal and business interests. The heat was on for them to make their first move.

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2000/11/01112000160846.asp


DECEMBER 2000 - In a highly contentious Presidential vote battle on the home turf of PNAC-Jeb Bush, the Supreme Court decided that George Bush was the new President.

How George W. Bush Won the 2004 Presidential Election
http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html

Bush now had the green light to seamlessly merge members of the PNAC into his Administration with no one the wiser. PNAC members elevated to the Bush hierarchy include, among others:

  • Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

  • Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense

  • Elliott Abrams - Member of the National Security Council

  • John Bolton - Undersecretary for Arms Control and InternationalSecurity

  • Richard Perle - Chairman of the advisory Defense Policy Board

  • Richard Armitage - Deputy Secretary of State

  • John Bolton - Undersecretary of State for Disarmament

  • Zalmay Khalilzad - White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition


An Honorable Mention was awarded to Condoleezza Rice - National Security Advisor - who is a former oil-company consultant having been on the board of directors of Chevron as its main expert on Kazakhstan.

The PNAC agenda had now passed "Go". The most powerful military machine in the world stood at their ready and Saddam was in the crosshair.


"It is important to shape circumstances...... ." - PNAC Statement of Principles

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-091701scheer.column
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked. The finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1454238160

The PNAC had scored a home run with the bases loaded with the 911 event: shock, horror and fear gripped the nation, the war on "terrorism" had been established in no uncertain terms, attacking Afghanistan with public approval was a foregone conclusion and the stage was set for building a public case against Saddam.

Not one to let a good attack go to waste, Defense Secretary and PNAC-member Donald H. Rumsfeld sprung into action.

  • He told his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq, even though Saddam wasn't linked to the attacks.

  • PNAC-James Woolsey, former CIA director, was dispatched to London to look for and 'firm up' evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 911 attacks.

  • PNAC-member and Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was authorized to create the Office of Special Plans.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml


"It is important to shape circumstances..........."- PNAC Statement of Principles

The Office of Special Plans (OSP) was a secret group of analysts and policy advisors with no status in the intelligence community who reported directly to the White House and National Security office with cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The OSP circumvented formal, well-established oversight procedures, ignored intelligence that didn't further their agenda, expanded the intelligence on weapons beyond what was justified and over-emphasized the national security risk. They became more influential than the C.I.A. or the Defense Intelligence Agency who didn't even know the ultra-secret OSP existed for at least a year.

Because they were based in the Pentagon, it was assumed that the OSP was an intelligence-gathering agency that was second-guessing the C.I.A. but in actuality it was the White House Military Marketing Machine charged with the task of writing the PNAC's "Get Saddam" sales pitch for the public. Shading and bending reality to suit their own purpose, it wasn't important for the OSP's stories about Saddam to be factual, only that the average American believed them to be - in true Hollywood fashion.

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/030512fa_fact

While the nation was stripped to the emotional bone and painfully vulnerable, the White House capitalized on the opportunity to reshape public perceptions and responses to conform with the PNAC's new American agenda. Rather than buoy the "can do" American spirit with optimism and hope for the future as Presidents before him had done in times of crisis, Bush spoke with an alarmist and pessimistic tone that served to perpetuate the high anxiety, excitability and fear in the populace.

To hear him speak, the world was a dark, evil and dangerous place....terrorism was here to stay....it would be a long struggle....America was helpless without the military might of the Government to keep the nation safe. The intent was to create a psychologically broken, weary and docile populace that would be easier to lead into war.

Fear became the Administration's strategic tactic for reprogramming the public into accepting the PNAC's militaristic designs. Still shell-shocked and exhausted from the enormity of the WTC and Pentagon tragedies, the public's panic shifted into frenzied over-drive when anthrax-laced envelopes arrived in government and media offices, killing five people. A perpetrator was never identified but the investigation eventually centered around the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, one of the nation's main anthrax research centers.

Using classic "operant learning" techniques from the realm of consumer psychology, the public was purposely kept on High Alert and continually "shaped" with ominous sound bites on the nightly news and "Level Orange Terror Alerts" at regularly scheduled but discrete intervals.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/130534_focusecond13.html
http://www.consumerpsychologist.com/#Perception

In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting

Immediately afterwards the PNAC and White House collaboration of "GET SADDAM" played relentlessly on televisions and in newspapers across the nation and the World as the "War on Terror" waged on and the litany of lies began.


The only terrorists we have to fear are those that occupy the White House.


VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE IN 2004



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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:28 PM
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24. Another suggestion for getting the word out.
Thanks for posting that summation LunaC.

Another suggestion when you are considering where to leave material where it might be picked up and read by the unenlightened, corporate media consumers, is to go to newspaper boxes, buy a paper and while the box is open insert your photocopied material into the remaining newspapers in the box (works easiest if you've got a partner - one person to hold the door open while the other person stuffs the newspapers inside). I've been using Michael Meacher's article "This war on Terrorism is Bogus" ( http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html )to leave around in newspaper boxes and in other strategic locations as you suggested. I will start using this summation you posted above in addition to Meacher's article.


Also don't forget to include in the photocopies a list of web sites like DU, TPM, SmirkingChimp.com.com, GuerrillaNewsNetwork.com commondreams.org, onlinejournal.com etc. for those who wish to follow up on what they've read and aren't aware of what's available on the Net. For a few dollars, I had a rubber stamp made up at a local Office Supply store with a list of relevant web sites and I use a red ink pad to stamp each photocopy I distribute.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:54 PM
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26. Great ideas - thanks!
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 06:54 PM by LunaC

I'm soooooo glad there are others out there trying to do their part! I feel like a broken record sometimes, continually trying to motivate our fellow DU'ers to DO something, often to no avail. Any suggestions on how to get people up off their asses to be active participants in the war against Bush* would be particularly welcomed!

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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 10:24 PM
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37. You can be sure....
many of us are "off our asses" and doing something. You make it sound as though there's no activism on this board. I almost find that offensive.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 02:39 AM
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42. Hold on just a minute here
I never said or implied that there isn't any activism around here. I asked for suggestions on how to get people motivated after dozens and dozens of frustrating attempts that went absolutely nowhere.

Here, let me give you an example....check out my post Keeping the Pressure ON! then count the replies. TWO

Here's another one for you: Now - more than ever - who will rise to the challenge? This one got a whopping (are you ready for it?) THREE responses.

Ohhhhh-ahhhhhh....FIVE total responses in a forum population of 42,243! That's truly sad!

So, yeah, if you've got any ideas you'd like to share with me about getting people motivated and "off their asses" I'd sure like to hear them but in the meantime do NOT jump down my throat for making an honest effort. I find THAT offensive and insulting!



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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:05 AM
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40. I know all about the PNAC, oil, pipeline proposals, the Bin Laden
connections, Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai (former Taliban supporter and Unocal employee), the Saudis, empire, hegemony, etc., etc.

That's still aways from MIHOP though.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 08:05 PM
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32. It still ONLY 'proves' ignorance ...
LIHOP is 'possible', but ignorance through tunnel vision is still more likely ....

No matter HOW many times I was told tht smoking would hurt me: I refused to listen, and wound up smoking for 33 years ... to my detriment .... I had enough evidence to show that smoking was awful, yet I ignored that evidence ...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 08:33 PM
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33. If one looks at only a single piece of evidence, perhaps.
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 08:38 PM by Minstrel Boy
But there is a vast and growing body of evidence which is not explained by ignorance.

There is, for instance, Sibel Edmonds, who says specific warnings were received which "even an idiot could see", that they were intentionally mistranslated to hide their import, and John Ashcroft tried bribing her to keep quiet about it. If there was only Sibel Edmonds, then I could be persuaded of ignorance or incompetence.

But there's not just Sibel Edmonds.

There's Michael Springman, 22-year State Department veteran, and former head of the visa bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He was repeatedly overruled by high-level State Department officials to issue visas to bin Laden recruits so they could receive training in the United States. Says this continued at least until the summer of 2001. (Notably, 15 of the 9/11 hijackers first entered the US through Jeddah.) Springman protested, and was fired. He says he believes that the victims of 9/11 "may have been sacrificed in order to further wider US geopolitical objectives."
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml
http://radio.cbc.ca/programs/dispatches/audio/020116_springman.rm


There's Robert Wright, FBI special investigator. He claims that FBI agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution. That the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism. Says the FBI "intentionally and repeatedly thwarted his attempts to launch a more comprehensive investigation to identify and neutralize terrorists." He was suspended and ordered to remain silent. Subject of at least three internal FBI investigations. Has written a book that the FBI is not only refusing to allow publication, but is not permitting anyone to even see it.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php

There's Lt. Col. Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs, Defense Language Institute in Monterey. In a letter to the editor of a local paper, Butler wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain." During Butler’s term as chancellor, 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi was enrolled at the Defense Language Institute. He was disciplined, lost his position and threatened with court martial.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/com/21220698.html

There's Indira Singh, "risk architect" consultant to JP Morgan Chase. She discovered that Ptech, a software company founded by a Saudi financier on the terrorist watch list, had troubling access to sensitive US institutions, which was apparently of no concern to the institutions involved or the FBI. For instance, a "person of interest" from Ptech “had a team in the basement of the FAA for two years” before 9/11. One of Ptech’s projects gained it access to "all information processes and issues that the FAA had with the National Airspace Systems Agency." Her warnings went ignored by institutions and the FBI. Told to keep quiet. Subject to surveillance and threats.
http://www.madcowprod.com/index45.html

There's Colleen Rowley, FBI field agent, Minnesota office. She claimed that FBI head office perversely thwarted the investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, throwing up unusual roadblocks which prevented exposing the terrorist use of flight schools in the summer of 2001. That Dave Frasca of the Radical Fundamentalism Unit altered her report, rendering it impossible for the FBI to pursue the matter further. After 9/11, Frasca – the senior official who altered Rowley’s report and sat on the Minnesota office's request to investigate flight schools, even though he had received a similar request from the Phoenix office – was promoted and commended.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html

There's David Schippers, former Chief Investigative Counsel for the US House Judiciary Committee. He claims a number of FBI agents learned, months in advance, the dates and targets of the attacks, as well as the names and funding sources of the hijackers, but were warned off pursuing the investigation by agency headquarters with threat of persecution. Some took the information to Schippers, and he went to John Ashcroft's office with the information six weeks before the attacks, but was rebuffed. Schippers went public with this on September 13, 2001, and is now representing some agents in a suit against the federal government. The story was corroborated by William Norman Grigg in The New American. Grigg interviewed three FBI agents, and they confirmed "that the information provided to Schippers was widely known within the Bureau before September 11th." One of them said some FBI senior field agents knew, "almost precisely, what happened on September 11th." (Info cribbed from David Ray Griffin's "The New Pearl Harbor.")

And this hardly scratches the surface.

There's plenty evidence. And it doesn't suggest ignorance. It suggests premeditated murder.

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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:29 PM
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38. Despite what ANYONE says: This IS LIHOP proven!
It doesn't matter if they knew when or where. What does matter is that they warned people in the administration, and they didn't warn the American people. If that is evident, and I think that it IS...then LIHOP is proven. Period.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:43 PM
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39. LIHOP is Proven with this B*SH statement:
"Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I
heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of
Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a
reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom
waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was
obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said,

WELL, THERE'S ONE TERRIBLE PILOT. I SAID, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A HORRIBLE ACCIDENT.

But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."


Remember this answer to a question asked by an 8 year old boy?? There is NO WAY that the President was thinking "there's one terrible pilot" when we NOW know that they had reports of commercial planes being flown into buildings. This statement is TOTAL COVER-UP for LIHOP or MIHOP!!


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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:56 AM
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41. FBI, Graham, and ISI
http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/updates/update15.html

<July 14, 1999: US government informant Randy Glass records a conversation at a dinner attended by him, illegal arms dealers Diaa Mohsen and Mohammed Malik (see June 12, 2001), a former Egyptian judge named Shireen Shawky, and ISI agent Rajaa Gulum Abbas, held at a restaurant within view of the WTC. FBI agents pretending to be restaurant customers sit at nearby tables. Abbas says he wants to buy a whole shipload of weapons stolen from the US military to give to bin Laden. Abbas points to the WTC and says, "Those towers are coming down." This ISI agent later makes two other references to an attack on the WTC. Abbas also says, "Americans the enemy," and, "We would have no problem with blowing up this entire restaurant because it is full of Americans." The meeting is secretly recorded, and parts are shown on television in 2003 (see also August 17, 1999).

August 17, 1999:...This same group meets at this time in a West Palm Beach, Florida, warehouse, and is shown Stinger missiles as part of a sting operation. US intelligence soon discovers connections between two in the group, Rajaa Gulum Abbas and Mohammed Malik, terrorist groups in Kashmir (where the ISI assists terrorists fighting against India), and the Taliban. Mohamed Malik suggests in this meeting that the Stingers will be used in Kashmir or Afghanistan.

Early August 2001: Randy Glass, a former con artist turned government informant, later claims that he contacts the staff of Senator Bob Graham and Representative Robert Wexler at this time and warns them of a plan to attack the WTC, but his warnings are ignored. Glass also tells the media at this time that his recently concluded informant work has "far greater ramifications than have so far been revealed," and "potentially, thousands of lives at risk." >
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