July 2001, CONDI, "Osama planning James Bond Like Aerial attacks on U.S."

[seventhson]

Condoleeza Rice will testify this week.

The spin is going to be changed and it has been foreshadowed for weeks: the Bushes were doing all they could to defend against Al Qaeda by making a plan to destroy them. They KNEW because they had intelligence, that Al Qaeda was planning to Hijack aeroplanes for something awful (but they had "no idea" that they would do anything like plowing into the Twin Towers and Pentagon).

But, Condi, and all you investigative sleuths and Air America listeners, Condi, Bush, Rumsfeld and the whole lot of them have engaged in a total sinister scam and bald-faced lies.

And, in addition to the story of the FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, there is the definitve article by the late Jim Hatfield (who wrote the Dubya bio with the cocaine story, "Fortunate Son" - and whose primary source for that story was Karl Rove in "inocculation" mode) that the Bushes, the intelligence services, and EVERYONE in European Intelligence KNEW that Osama was planning a HUGE AERIAL ATTACK on U.S. Targets (including an attempt to kill George Dubya Bush) in JULY 2001!

This article is the SMOKING GUN which proves that the Bush administration has been lying through their venal teeth from day one at ground zero in NYC (where I used to deliver TV Facts magazine once a week from my old Dodge van when I was acting in Greenwich Village before it was blasted to kingdom come by a hijacked passenger jet laden with highly explosive jet fuel)

Hatfield blamed the story (which includes the claim that neoNazi Reichwingers were being recruited by Bin Laden in Europe in a nasty and chillingly reminiscent reenactment of the collaborationist efforts of Tim McVeigh and Jim Nichols who met with Islamic extremists in Asia while planning the attack on the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City) on Bush intel operatives who were planting the Bush-Osama assassination story in July 2001 in order to boost Bushes sagging and sinking favorability poll ratings.

James Hatfield never knew WHY he was arrested and suicided on July 18th, 2001. He would not know that he had broken the most explosive story of the newly budding 21st century: that reich-wingers and cia trained terrorists were planning to attack the United States and the Twin Towers and Pentagon in a fantastic James Bond-like aerial attack using passenger Jets full to the brim with explosive jet fuel.

There had been threats against his little daughter and his wife. He told his publisher that these threats came from one of his sources for the Bush cocaine story. Al three of these sources were Bush operatives, and one was Karl Rove.

Hatfield's computer was seized from his home the day of his death. The police turned his house upside down with an arresat warrant claiming he had filled out a false bank loan application for $30,000 using a former partner's name. And yet instead of taking Mr. Hatfield into custody and charging him with the crime for which they had come to arrest him, he was given (what I believe was) "Rommel's Choice".

Among his FIVE "suicide" notes was a note to the kind and understanding cop who had let him go so that he could kill himself.

I know he must have written one to his wife and daughter telling them that he was sorry and that he had no choice. I'm sure they gave him no real choice.

The REAL story behind or before 9-11 is the story of one man who might have been able to tell us more of the truth than Condi or Rummy or Bush or Cheney will ever be able to utter because it implicates THEM -- and when he tried to warn us (even though he did not have all the details precisely correct and he thought it was all a fake set up by the Bushes) he was snuffed out faster than Bush can say the word "nuclear".

This week we will hear the lies repeated. "We were warned about something but we had NO IDEA they would use hijacked planes as missiles (maybe the Hatfield story was another Rovian innoculation and the remote controlled aspect is either completely accurate or just too fantastic to believe)".

Jim Hatfield told the truth: Osama and some Reichwing neoNazis were planning to use jet planes full of explosive jet fuel as missiles on U.S. targets in "James Bond-like aerial attack"

Were these attacks to boost Bush's poll ratings and gain him sympathy because he was perceived to be a target? Would his Saudi friends want this? Would his Halliburton friends want this?


Read this article and YOU be the judge when Condi's lips are moving at the 9-11 commission hearings this week and SOMEONE should have or MUST have said to the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR in July 2001 -
"Condi, Osama's planning James Bond-like aerial attacks on U.S. targets" and here is the PROOF that this was KNOWN:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html


excerpt:



Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?
By James Hatfield



July 3, 2001— "There may be fireworks..."

...

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?


more...





Now I am going to find a hidey hole. Please pass this on and I HOPE Air America gets it before Condi testifies. I am afraid to send it to them myself. If you are not afraid of a Rommel's choice yourself, pleae pass it along. It matters.

Shalom/Salaam

[paulthompson]

1. Even better: Time Magazine

Hatfield wasn't really saying anything different than what had been reported in Time Magazine a couple of weeks earlier:

"For sheer diabolical genius (of the Hollywood variety), nothing came close to the reports that European security services are preparing to counter a Bin Laden attempt to assassinate President Bush at next month's G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. According to German intelligence sources, the plot involved Bin Laden paying German neo-Nazis to fly remote controlled-model aircraft packed with Semtex into the conference hall and blow the leaders of the industrialized world to smithereens. (Paging Jerry Bruckheimer…)"

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,131866,00.html

So when Condi and the rest say they could never have conceived of planes being used as weapons, tell them to renew their subscriptions to Time.

[peacetalksforall]

3. I think this one will stick, but we have to know what kind of a/c

this was; "remote controlled-model aircraft" sounds kid-like.

I remember this well. The Italian and European intelligence and security forces were applauded for their success.

I don't remember the word "model' being used. I remember commercial a/c.

[seventhson]

4. Yeah, but Time did NOT tie the Bushes to Osama and Saudis through

the money trail to Texas.

Also the Time reporter was not suicided two weeks later and we have heard nary a peep from him on this subject since. You can bet Harfield would have been all over it.

And the Neo-Nazi ties to Bin Laden are STILL unexplored. The one place they became visible for a moment was the ties of McVeigh and Nichols to the Islamic terrorists in Asia with whom they were presumably in alliance (even though I'd bet they were private intel like ISI or Saudi/Halliburton guys)

[SpiralHawk]

2. Dear American Media Establishment

Time to read or re-read these items, and assign some reporters to Tell the Frikkin Truth.

Get off your bended knees, and Do your job.

[seabeyond]

5. why would rumsfield be in the pentagon

?

when the plane hits.

[seventhson]

6. Maybe he was expendable.

Maybe they really had planned on shooting down that plane but didn't because the solicitor general's wife was on it.

[seventhson]

7. kick

[Gloria]

8. kick

eom

[seventhson]

9. Thanks Gloria. Apparently very few people "get" this. Neo-Nazis and Osama

flying planes into US targets and his death after threats from people close to Bush just leaves people dumbstruck.

Or I am just running around with my hair on fire for no good reason.

I believe this PROVES that Bush Knew and that Rummy and Condi are lying.

I beleive that the BFEE murdered Hatfield to silence him.

They may have been out of the loop -- but the intelligence was there if they were even awake let alone paying attention at all.

The Neo-Nazi tieds with Osama in 9-11 plot as well as the Oklahoma city bombing are getting virtually NO airplay.


I wonder what of this was blackops misinformation and what is rock-solid facts?

[Az]

10. Or maybe they don't buy it

You are going to have to provide some better evidence and a clearer sense of exactly what transpired. To hear you tell it, it sounds as if George and company have a secret cult of ninja death monkeys running around with explicit orders on exactly what to do.

Sorry but you don't get conspiracies that this tightly wound. Take a look at all the tell all books leaking out of DC these days. Grand conspiracies don't work. And when you start hurting people they really fall apart fast.

As you said, some rock-solid facts would be nice. Show us the evidence. Connect the dots without leap frogging all over the place. And then maybe more people will believe this theory.

[seventhson]

24. I have posted some links below on the "suicide" facts and death threats

" a secret cult of ninja death monkeys" pretty well descibes Halliburton and the mercenaries being used by the BFEE for political blackops and intel.

Of COURSE you get tightly wound conspiracies like this. Hell - we still don't know any of the alleged details of the 9-11 planners.

What we DO know is that Bush knew and his people knew that flying planes (remote-controlled drones or hijacked jetliners) packed with explosives (plastique or jet-fuel) into US targets was being planned by Osama in an attempted collusion with the extreme right wing.

We know also that the Saudis and Bin Ladens are business partners or have been with Bush I and II.

We also know that Bush was gleeful that he "hit the trifecta"


From the Put Options to the stand down order to the warnings by the message service and the hungry caterpillar meandering and the lies of all of the Bush league which amounts to a cvoverup after the fact -- we know that they KNEW , they lied about it, and they are trying to cover up what they knew and HOW it happened as long as possible and preferably until after the November election (when it won't hurt Bush nymore unless someone has the cojones to impeach him in his second term)

We are in deep shit and the ninja monkeys of Bush are dumping more on us daily.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. Here's Rice's statement from May 16th, 2002

This is the press conference where she makes the outrageous statement about "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center".

However, the very next sentence "All of this reporting about hijacking was about traditional hijacking." is the one that should hang her.

Read the whole transcript, it covers everything that the WH was claiming they knew before 9-11. There is a lot of material here to help dig their graves.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.html


Q -- any specific information just prior to August 6th that raised concerns about hijacking of U.S. planes?

DR. RICE: Again, this was generalized information that put together the fact that there were terrorist groups who were unhappy about things that were going on in the Middle East, as well as al Qaeda operatives, which we'd been watching for a long time -- that there was more chatter than usual, and that we knew that they were people who might try a hijacking. But, you know, again, that terrorism and hijacking might be associated is not rocket science.

Q Why shouldn't this be seen as an intelligence failure, that you were unable to predict something happening here?

DR. RICE: Steve, I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile. All of this reporting about hijacking was about traditional hijacking. You take a plane -- people were worried they might blow one up, but they were mostly worried that they might try to take a plane and use it for release of the blind Sheikh or some of their own people.

But I think that there's always a fine balance, but even in retrospect, even in hindsight, there was nothing in what was briefed to the President that would suggest that you would go out and say to the American people, look, I just read that terrorists might hijack and aircraft. They talk about hijacking an aircraft once in a while, but have no specifics about when, where, under what circumstances.


PS: To Seventhson. LOL on the magazine delivery job. My boyfriend in college, delivered Japanese newspapers. It was a blast going up to top of the WTC in their freight elevators.

[snippy]

14. She later claimed that reports were withheld from the Bush administration.

From a September 2002 PBS interview with Rice:

MARGARET WARNER: Let me close by asking you a couple of questions about the joint inquiry into the pre-9/11 intelligence failures because you just referred to the attack without warning.

You had said back in May, "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile."

Now, as you know, the joint inquiry found otherwise; they found there was a lot of historical evidence that, one, terrorists planned and were capable of attacks in the U.S. - and two, that they talked a lot about using airplanes as weapons. Given everything that has come out, do you still believe that the attacks were unpredictable?

CONDOLEEZZA RICE: Yes, I do still believe that the attacks were unpredictable. Look, the 1998 reports that apparently some intelligence analysts looked at and made an analysis that perhaps al-Qaida wanted to slam planes into buildings were simply not made available to the Bush Administration.

We weren't here in 1998, and I think you have to look at the fact that this was among a host of other intelligence analyses that suggested that car bombs and attacks against nuclear plants, and other means of terrorism were more likely.

But the fact is when I spoke in May about what was presented to the president on August 6, it is absolutely the case that what was presented to the president and what was analyzed for him and what was analyzed throughout the administration was traditional methods of hijacking - in fact that the hijacking might be to try and win release of al-Qaida prisoners or something like that.

There wasn't any mention or analysis of people slamming planes into buildings; it simply wasn't there.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/international/july-dec02/rice_9-25.html (emphasis added)

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. "There wasn't any mention or analysis

of people slamming planes into buildings; it simply wasn't there."


I can prove she is full of shit. On May 13, 1996 this information was reported on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/12/terror.plot/

3 men accused of plotting to bomb U.S. planes

<snip>

Police were shocked by what they found inside: a smoking mixture of explosives in a sink, street maps and garments like those worn by the Pope's entourage, suggesting a plot to kill the Pontiff.

They also say they found computer disks containing detailed plans to blow up U.S. airliners.

The alleged plot involved leaving bombs on flights that would take off from Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, Hong Kong, Bangkok and Singapore.


http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/Newsbriefs/9512/12-12/index.html

December 12, 1995


Ramzi Yousef and another reputed colleague, Abdul Hakim Murad, are awaiting trial on charges of plotting to bomb U.S. airliners in the Far East.

Yousef is also charged in the February 1993 World Trade Center bombing and with bombing a Japanese airliner and killing a Japanese passenger.



So here we have Condi claiming that there was no mention of analysis of this information, yet it was reported in the US media as early as 1995.

Maybe if Condi hadn't spent the previous 10 years of her life with her head up her ass, she might have know what was going on in the world? I thought Bu$h hired her because she was expert on foreign affairs. Too bad her expertise was so out of date it was worthless. A lot of people got killed because of her pompous stupidity.

[Rockholm]

12. Bush KNEW Something Was Coming.....

This is on the cooperative research web site. Theie 9-11 timeline is quite chilling. I am sure that many of us, if not all, have read parts of this website. Here is a little snip regarding the night prior to 9-11 and Bush.....

After a private dinner with various Florida politicians (including his brother Jeb) and Republican donors, Bush went to bed around 10:00 p.m. Surface-to-air missiles were placed on the roof of the resort , and an Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) plane circled high overhead. It's not clear if this type of protection was standard for the president or whether security was increased because of possible threats.

NOW....I can guess that that every time Clinton came to Boston, there were no AWACS flying over downtown Boston and I can be pretty darned sure that surface to air missles were no placed on the top of the Park Plaza Hotel. For all of us who have had Bush campaigning in our cities and towns as of late, seen any weapons on the rooftops? I doubt it. This to me says that Bush knew, or at the very least, SOMEBODY knew.

Oh, in case you have not seen the cooperative research site, here is the link...
www.cooperativeresearch.net

[Az]

13. Very possible

But there is a great distance between Bush and Co. knowing something was coming and having an army of conspirators running around setting everything up in clandestine operations.

I chalk it up to hubris and incompetance. They wanted a Pearl Harbor. They were lost in their own sense of might. They figured let something through. They can't hurt us too bad. The experts kept trying to tell them something was coming. So they let it come. Oh they defended their own positions. But they left the rest of the US open to attack. They just had no idea how big a hit it was going to be. And now they have to cover up their own incompetance.

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Plus it is rare for Bu$h not to go home at night

I don't remember him ever sleeping over when he visits around the country? Especially, since the visit was really just for a few fluff photo ops.

Plus does he usually take Karl Rove and the Director of WH Situation Room, NSC, Deborah Loewer, plus the Governor and Lt. Governor of Florida on a trip such as this? Very unusual.

[radwriter0555]

16. no wonder they killed hatfied. I always thought the whole cocaine thing

was too unimportant.

[radwriter0555]

18. MOVE this to the head of the line please....

this is very important.

[Rockholm]

19. Kick

[seventhson]

25. kick

[seventhson]

28. kick

[seventhson]

20. The Death Threats against James Hatfield and other details,

I do NOT agree with the author of this article that Jim Hatfield's death was "most likely" by his own hand. If it was by his own hand it was coerced in what is known as being given "Rommel's Choice" - which means "Iif you don't take the pills and the booze then we will kill your seed forever by killing your infant daughter Haley and her mother, your wife and lover. Bottoms up!"

Hatfield identified the death threats against his family as coming from one of his three sources for the Bush cocaine story.


It needs to be said that Hatfield had ALREADY published the book and all the cats were out of the bag as far as the cocaine story. The PRIMARY motive to kill him would be the story in online journal.

But this article provides several details to verify that death threats from the right occurred and were directed at his family just before he died. It also confirms that Rove was one of his sources.

http://www.barbelith.com/cgi-bin/articles/00000058.shtml

[seventhson]

21. Hatfield's "Death By Association" (more details and a damn good read)

http://www.globalcomplexity.org/Death%20by%20Association.htm


James Hatfield, author of Fortunate Son, an unauthorised biography of George W. Bush, which detailed Bush's cocaine use and cover-up of a cocaine arrest, was found dead on 18 July 2001 in a seedy Arkansas motel room, another suicide victim. His is a long, painful story. The 43-year-old writer, who left behind a wife and baby daughter, left notes for his family and friends that listed alcohol, financial problems and Fortunate Son as reasons for killing himself, according to police. < Note by Seventhson: He also "thanked" the cop for giving him the time to turn himself in - which meant he gave him the time so that he could kill himself>

Three years before his death, his original publisher, St. Martin's Press, pulped its entire run of Fortunate Son just as it shot to The New York Times bestsellers list after they discovered the author's own drug past. A New York punk-rock publisher, Soft Skull Press, later reprinted it and rushed it out in time for the 2000 presidential elections. The Bush camp, of course, was on the case. In fact, Bush's chief strategist, Karl Rove - who previously worked for Richard Nixon, the godfather of dirty tricks - had contacted Hatfield urging to meet him to see if he was 'on the right track'.

He also (before his death) received death threats from one of the Bush allies who had confirmed Bush's cocaine arrest allegations. The threats named Hatfield's wife and daughter and said, "If you value their lives, you'd better back off."


In early 2001, Hatfield accidentally found out his computer was bugged when he took it to be repaired. Could this mean that Bush strategists dug Hatfield's criminal record to discredit him and kill off his book? After Hatfield's death made the headlines, the official story force-fed to the corporate media, as surreal as it seemed, was that Hatfield was charged on 17 July with credit-card fraud. Police had confiscated his computer and given him 24 hours to turn himself in, but instead he checked into a motel, overdosed on prescription drugs and died. But why would a bestselling author try to commit credit-card fraud using a computer he believed was bugged? He was also afraid of breaking the terms of his parole, fearing that if he did, that he would be sent back to Texas to prison, where, he was convinced, he would be killed. In the police report, there's no mention of anything found in the computer that was confiscated, though it was the first item mentioned in the application for a search warrant.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. Repukes keep bringing up Vince Foster's suicide.....

They (and everyone else) should demand that James Hatfield's autopsy report be reevaluated. There's alot hidden in his death.

[seventhson]

23. Was Hatfield Killed to SILENCE his prediction of 9-11?

That is a question that the Commission should be looking into.

The story has essentially been scrubbed as too CT. But murder very often is a conspiracy. And when he is one of only a handful of authors to link the upcoming 9-11 attack, Bin Laden, and the Saudi business Texas oil deals with Bush prior to 9-11 (not to mention the tie-in to the extreme right in league with Osama and the allegation that the whole scheme was a plan designed to boost Bush's poll numbers) and you have Motive, opportunity, circumstantial complicity of those close to Bush AND means.

Where are his notes? His computer? The alleged fraudulent bank loan application? The bug? Who was bugging him? Where are the tapes of THAT? What about the autopsy and the folks at the motel where he died.

WHERE is the investigation of his death???

Like Lincoln and JFK -- this will be one of the historical enduring legacies of 9-11 and we need answers NOW and not a hundred years from now.

[seventhson]

26. Kick for Condi

[seventhson]

27. HEY! I posted on Al Franken's site & HE MENTIONED IT ON HIS SHOW TODAY!

I posted this story on the AirAmerica Board as one of the lies that the Bushes told. No responses THERE so far -- BUT I am coming home for lunch today from court and hear the story about Osama and the Planes Crashing into buildings as reported about Genoa -- just as reported by Hatfield!!!!


I am SO excited that this has finally made the media radar! Now this thread has dropped like rocks so I may mention it in a new post -- BECAUSE it is an axample of how we at DU can make a difference.

I do not know how many millions of people are yet listening to Air America -- but I DO know that the story which Hatfield told (and probably died for) about Osama cxrashing planes into U.S. targets (when Condoloeexa Rice and Bush were going to be in Italy) has FINALLY gotten some serious play AFTER 9-11.

I also know that I posted this story in a location (on the Al Franken network board) where someone from Air America (from Franken's team) was BOUND to read it.

I wanted it to make Air America before Condocheeza testified.

And it did.

I am quite pleased. Abd even if it were not my doing - who cares. But I DID post it there and he DID mention it in the context of proving that Condi is a liar -- so I am way pleased.

Please forgive my irrational exuberance. I am doing this not only for the families of 9-11 -- but for the family and to honor the memory of James Hatfield! One Righteous Journalist who laid down his life for his fellow man in order to expose the worshippers of mammon.

[seventhson]

29. one more kick for that Condi chick!

hope somebody reads this