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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:08 PM
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where's them jobs?
the sunday chicago tribune help-wanted section is a pretty good bellweather for hiring in and around the chicago area. throughout most of the Clinton administration, you'd usually find anywhere from 3-5 sections of 20-30 pages each, chock ful o'job ads, except on holiday weekends, where you'd be lucky to have half as many.
this past sunday was the same as most sundays under the lil' dictator's mis-administration- one section, 22 pages...so i ask- where are the jobs they keep talking about?
who lives where there's a lot of permanent full-time jobs being offered?
how are the want-ads running where you live, compared to past years?
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:10 PM
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1. Portland is awful
about 1/4 of the pages as in 2000. About 1/10 of the IT listings.

Of course Oregon has been one of the top states in unemployment during the blessed Bush 43 years.


I wish I could say it was getting better.
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Maine-i-acs Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:20 PM
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3. The other Portland sucks too.
Used to be a good job market in the Clinton years. If I were looking for a good paying job in Maine now I would be SOL.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:19 PM
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2. San Diego
is averaging 16 pages of employment ads on Sundays. I've lived here for the past three years and the Help Wanted ads pages have been the same. Since I have been looking for work since we moved here (sigh), it has been depressing to see nothing change with the Help Wanted sections.

The same is true for Monster, Hot Jobs, etc. I haven't seen an increase in advertising there either.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:22 PM
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4. no significant job news in Denver
it sucks

unless you want to flip burgers or work at Wal Mart.
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Hunter_1253 Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:23 PM
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5. Good question.
I hear that 306,000 jobs were created in March, but where are they and what’s the salary range. My wife, who just completed a Masters degree in Psychology, is having a hell of a time finding jobs that pay more than $12 an hour. That’s hardly a living wage, let alone a growth economy capable of supporting the American dream.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:36 PM
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6. Cleveland is awful...
I am employed, but look at them every Sunday. I've watched the employment pages dwindle down to a very paltry 12+ pages. It's a very very dreary time for this city and the country as a whole.

I've heard it is even worse in Pittsburgh.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 09:40 PM
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7. kick
looking for more info from more locales...
where are they hiring?
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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 09:49 PM
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8. I don't think they are. Anywhere.
If you've got top secret clearance, you can find a job. Other than that... :shrug:
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 09:53 PM
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9. Boston is terrible, and one of our largest employers is laying off 13,000
FleetBoston has announced layoffs due to its acquisition by Bank of America.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 09:53 PM
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10. want ads are not a good bell weather and heres why
in the dot com bubble days it was nigh unto impossible to find candidates and companies advertised, went to head hunters to see what they could scare up and the result was that any number of ads appeared for the same position.

fast forward to the dot com bust, post 9-11 days

companies are besieged with unsolicited applications and resumes. they don't need to advertise.

I have never gotten a job from an ad in the paper. You are looking in the wrong place folks.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:03 AM
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11. small businesses aren't always "besieged with unsolicited apps..."
and that's where a lot of the american workers work. there never have been too many want-ads for CEO's or other execs, & a lot of companies try to hire from within, but then they need to run ads for enty-level positions as people move "up the ladder", and vacate jobs, etc... and thru my life, i've gotten several jobs out of ads in the newspaper

(btw- i'm not looking for a job currently, due to permanent disability, and my wife is very gainfully employed)

obviously, not every job, not nearly every job has been filled thru an ad in the newspaper- but it's still the first place most people look, and one of the main tools that employers use.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:40 PM
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14. yes they are
and ads USED to be what employers used when they could not get what they needed for personal referals etc.
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chrisdfer Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:03 AM
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12. I do not understand.
I recently began looking for new work and I honestly didn't have any problem finding work in the field I am trained(IT). I found work within 2 weeks of searching and I am still getting calls and go on the occasional interview when I can fit it in. Perhaps I have just been lucky I don't know.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:38 PM
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13. easy to understand
you work cheap being a newbie
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:14 PM
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17. Unemployed 46 Months
BSEE
MBA,
Commercial Pilot
Honorably discharged Naval officer

1,448 Resumes out the door
resume posted at 105 job boards

I have not heard from a company or headhunter in over two years.

I don't believe your two week story.

Sorry, it just does not ring true!
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:03 PM
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15. not true
they only bother to take applications and resumes when they have openings.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:11 PM
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16. The Missing 9.4 million Jobs
http://www.comstockfunds.com/index.cfm?act=Newsletter.cfm&category=Mar ...

Comstock Funds
Charlie Minter
7 April 2004

Although the 308,000 increase in March payroll employment may seem like a lot compared to what we’ve been getting and what most have been expecting, it actually falls far short of what we should be seeing at this stage of a recovery. Here’s what we found in examining the last seven economic recoveries.

In the first six of these recoveries beginning with May 1954 employment rose by an average of 7.7 percent over the first 28 months with a high of 9.1 percent and a low of 5.5 percent. This includes one cycle that peaked in 24 months with a gain of 7.4 percent. Even in the recovery that started in March 1991, employment climbed 2.2% over the first 28 months. For all of the seven recoveries, employment rose by an average of 6.9 percent over 28 months. So let’s not hear any more about employment being a lagging indicator. It is not, and even if it were, 28 months is surely enough time to catch up.

In the current recovery employment has actually declined 0.2 percent in the first 28 months that includes the March number and the revisions that were released on Friday. If employment had increased by 6.9 percent, the average of the past recoveries, March payrolls would have come to about 139.9 million rather than the 130.5 million actually reported. This means that there are now 9.4 million fewer jobs than there should be at this point in the cycle, and that we needed an average increase of 322,000 jobs for each of the past 28 months to equal the average job growth of the last seven expansions.

Snip ......
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