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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:31 PM
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:34 PM
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1. Biggest waste of $40 million since the Dean campaign.
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 04:35 PM by Bleachers7
Ducks from flying knives. Straps on flame retardent suit. :evilgrin:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:16 PM
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16. John Kerry would be losing by 10 points avg. if not for the Dean campaign
Imho. In addition the debate would be wildly different, today, without Dean's campaign. $40 million, well spent.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:34 PM
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2. $40 Million later, and Kerry's beating Bush 44-43 in a FOX poll.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

Don't forget Rasmussen's daily tracker, either, which has Kerry gaining SIX POINTS since Friday morning (despite the "jobs" numbers). He's now beating Bush 46-43.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

I'm positive that Rove expected to be 10 points up by now.

It's the credibility, stupid. It's the dead bodies, stupid.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:35 PM
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3. It is a lot easier to trick someone once than twice.

There is no way the campaign ads are going to be as effective for Bush now as in 2000 when he was an unknown quantity to most people.

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:36 PM
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4. Extremely effective
for Kerry
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:39 PM
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5. Let der Shrubenfuhrer waste his ill-gotten money.
This election is not for sale.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:41 PM
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6. Lame, pedestrian stuff. No creativity whatsoever.
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karabekian Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:42 PM
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7. they were effective
Kerry had a large lead after the nomination came clear. That has been erased. They also have polls in states where ads have been running that show the message has been getting across. Its a shame that Kerry took his vacation and now his surgury with very little response. I fear that he is letting the Bushco. define him.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:21 PM
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17. Do you really fear it?
Somehow I doubt that.
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TimMooring Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:43 PM
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8. Very Effective - For Democrats!
i hope they don't fire their ad agency. They're like a silver bullet factory for democrats. I hope they spend millions more soon.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:47 PM
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9. I think they have been moderately successful but if....
Bush were not having such difficulties in Iraq and with the economy, I think they might have been much more successful with those ads. Regardless, they believe, I am sure, that they have laid the foundation to paint further the image of Kerry as a flip-flopper and a big taxer.... We need more people in the media to point out the discrepancies and lies in Bush's ads...It has been done to some degree - but not enough, in my opinion.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:25 PM
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15. I think the meme that Kerry will
raise taxes and is a flip flopper is beginning to take hold. Obviously I don't agree with this, but the ads helped to define Kerry. Kerry very much needs to define himself to the American people quickly.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:49 PM
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10. I thought it was effective on the economic front...
His foreign policy is hurting big-time, again, though...
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:58 PM
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11. When you look at the various polls
State, National etc, Bush is doing fairly crappy given his attack ads on Kerry. Kerry is brilliantly applying Newt Gingrich's philosophy of "He who controls the language, controls the campaign"

Kerry is very cleverly rewriting liberal progressive taxation ideas using terms that sound almost conservative, defining fiscal conservatism as giving tax cuts to the poor, the middle class, and small businesses, while raising taxes on the wealthiest two percent of the population and 1 percent of the corporations, which if one were to use old liberal-speak would would be to say that he will institute a progressive tax code, in which the rich pay their fair share. He has very cleverly pointed out that he wants to stop any company that avoids taxation in the United States by setting up offsore corporations or keeping their income offshore from being able to bid for any federal government contract. Very soon we can expect Kerry to name some of those corporations, like Haliburton and Bechtel, who are getting the lions share of the contracts in Iraq, who will not pay a dime of taxes on the money that they are earning from those sealed contracts. All in good time, never tell the whole story all at once, but bit by bit. He is stripping his campaign speeches of all of the terminology used by democrats in the past, which neo-conservatives have re-defined in extremely negative ways.

Unrelated to taxation, does anyone remember before the term "Pro-Life" cane into existance. It was anti- abortion back then. By redefining the political position, making those who wish to overturn abortion laws become "PRO" something. In this case "Pro Life" Which makes their opponents ANTI something. IN this case Anti Life. Or pro Death. Even the inevitable reaction to the Term Pro Life whjich is "Pro Choice" becomes tainted by the fact that the covervatives defined their term as pro before liberal did. Because you can ask of choice, what is being chosen, and the "Pro Lifers" can then turn the choice into choosing death and choosing to "kill unborn children". SO by controlling the language and winning defining the political positions first, conservatives have been able to greatly advace their agenda. Kerry is stripping every bit of liberal terminology out of his campaign and redefining progressive economics in terms of fiscal responsibility, while redefining all conservative terminology in terms of fiscal irresponsibility, borrow and spend conservatives, sending an enormous budget to Congress without providing any idea where the money is going to come from for all of those massive programs, and then showing that the corpoprations that will be getting the government contracts for all of those programs will not pay a dime in income taxes due to Bush's tax cuts and tax programs that favor corporations that go overseas and outsource.

We are witnessing Kerry reinventing the political language in such a way that conservatives become the group who are spending the government into deficit, and making sure that the U.S> sends all of the money spent on its programs outside of the United States.


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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:00 PM
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12. same old, tired blah, blah, gonna raise yo' taxes, blah.
If * is such a great man, why does he need $200mil to win an election?
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:20 PM
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13. preaching to the choir
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:24 PM
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14. Limits of $$ in politics
as of right now * has a $187 mil war chest. :wow:

This may be the year we witness the limits of how much unlimited funds can get a candidate.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:23 PM
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18. Bush DOES NOT have 187 million
Don't confuse CASH ON HAND with money raised.
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