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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:06 AM
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Evidence the Hijackers were CIA Recruits!
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 08:58 AM by spooked
Here is an excellent analysis of 911, with evidence showing that the "hijackers" were, in fact, CIA recruits, and 911 was a covert operation. This piece puts it all together...very scary!


"15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, mostly from wealthy families. In
fact, most of the hijackers are typical of the wealthy, high-rolling,
hedonistic Saudis who turn up over and over again in covert operations
sponsored by the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr.
and Jr. These scandals include Iran-Contra, the Savings and Loan
Scandal (by far the most massive financial rip-off in history), the
massive money-laundering that led to the collapse of BCCI, a Pakistani
bank with strong ties to the CIA, and, more recently, the Enron
scandal. The connection to U.S. intelligence is more than speculative;
several of the hijackers had training at secure military installations
in the U.S.<2> The locations where the hijackers received training
include:

- The Pensacola Naval Air Station
- Lackland Air Force Base
- Air War College in Montgomery, Alabama
- Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama
- The Defense Language Institute in Monterey

Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases--The Pentagon has
turned over military records on five men to the FBI," George
Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry, NEWSWEEK, September 15,
2001


READ the Entire Piece here:
September 11 - Jihad, or Another Northwoods?
by Tim Howells
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=b5fe6585.0404122130.273a0ab4%40posting.google.com

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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:11 AM
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1. newsweek link is not working
does anyone know if this was only on the web, or if it was in the print copy of Newsweek?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:46 AM
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2. Here is a link that works
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:56 AM
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3. I go for
another Northwoods. This Bush-Bin Laden connection has got to be hit for all it's worth. For the general public, all they need to know is the fact that chimpy's family and OBL's family have been in bed together for years. Some will connect the dots themselves.
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:56 AM
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4. ROFLMAO!!
One of the better yet! Wow!

CIA Trains Suicidal Lunatics!

Islamic Fundamentalist Nutcases Trust Infidel Crusader Satan's Spawn With Lives!

Keep going, guys.

I needed a good Horse Laugh this morning.

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:01 AM
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5. Tom, where were you in 1986?
1986

Eugene Hasenfus — Nicaragua shoots down a C-123 transport plane carrying military supplies to the Contras. The lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, turns out to be a CIA employee, as are the two dead pilots. The airplane belongs to Southern Air Transport, a CIA front. The incident makes a mockery of President Reagan’s claims that the CIA is not illegally arming the Contras.

A Brief History of CIA Sponsored Terrorism 1979 - 1988
http://expage.com/notowar3g
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:58 AM
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9. and between 1980 and 1989
when the CIA was VERY much involved in supplying, training and recruiting Islamic fundamentalists from all over the world to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Educate yourself, read this. It's all very well documented.
John Cooley,"Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0745316913/103-3898556-0343020?v=glance

I'm always amazed at how naive so many Americans are ... :eyes:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:37 AM
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28. Have you read?
Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, From the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 - by Steve Coll

I'm reading it now. It presents the CIA's historical part in this very throughly.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:05 AM
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10. This is almost EXACTLY what you said in another thread.
Right down to the "horse laugh" part, which of course, nobody knows what the fuck that is. Same title too, ROFLMAO.

If you're going to parrot the same shit on every 9/11 post, at least get a little creative, or else you come across looking like a fuckin' troll.

A word to the wise.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:19 AM
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14. Educate yourself my friend
Don't you know that Osama bin Laden himself was a contract agent for the CIA during the eighties. After all, he and his mujahadeen fighters were just fine with us when they were "freedom fighters" expelling the "Soviet Evil Empire" from Afghanistan.

And you know what they say about CIA operatives, once you're CIA, you're always CIA. Read more about bin Laden's CIA connection here:
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0%2C1300%2C551037%2C00.html>

And if you do a little more digging around, books like "Blowback", you will find a lot more realitie to scare you. You might be comforted in thinking that this is all tin foil hat stuff, but the fact remains is that it is reality.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:31 AM
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17. Wait for it.....
I'll do it for him:

TomNickle replies:

ROFLMAO

So now the CIA paid Osama to remote control the airliners into the buildings?

Keep going guys!

Thanks, I needed a good horses' ass laugh this morning.


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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:13 AM
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6. Interesting bit of information
If more specifics aren't explored the whores will try to put this on Clinton.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:20 AM
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15. we need to find info implicating Poppy's spooks involved in it if any were
Methinks we err if we believe the CIA acts with one brain, one heart and one goal. There are neocons under a lot of rocks and Poppy was the head spook. He still operates mostly in the dark still, doesn't he?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:36 AM
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7. i am getting it seeing it now
how it is all wrapping together so finely...........thank you for this. how funny the smallest piece. i think it is all coming out. right now. if i can get it, zillions gets it. that is why it is important to say out loud
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reformed_military Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:58 AM
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8. Come on!
If that was true, that would have been your last post, ever. You would be currently taking a dirt nap!

:tinfoilhat:
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:14 AM
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11. I'm just posting what's out there for all to see
if you CARE to see.
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glasnost Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:56 AM
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26. US is in denial. It was a P2OG type op.
see the Meacher item. He was the former Minister for the Environment. He resigned as did Cook and Short.
Do you believe these other examples never happened either, like Tonkin etc. ?

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glasnost Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:26 AM
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27. Not so. Thousands of people have worked out the only possible answer
Thanks to the internet. If all these people, all over the planet (like Meacher MP) and those on this board, and hundreds of boards, were suddenly terminated by mysterious means.. it would tend to confirm the reality of the rogue PNAC plot.
Because 9/11 was such an elaborate scam, it needed co-ordination and planning way beyond the skills and abilities of Osama and his colleagues.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:14 AM
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12. Important stuff. Here's more info:
From "Some hijackers may have resided or trained at U.S. military installations":

iii Saeed Alghamdi.

(A) The address on his driver's license was 10 Radford Blvd. on Pensacola NAS, “a base road on which residences for foreign- military flight trainees are located.” The Pensacola base is known as the ‘Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation,’ according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy source who was interviewed by Newsweek magazine.

(B) Someone with the name “Saeed Alghamdi” attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California.

...

v Mohammed Atta.

(A) Air Force spokesman Col. Ken McClellan said soon after the attacks that a man whose name was Mohamed Atta had attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell/Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, Ala.

vi Abdulaziz Alomari

(A) A man with the name Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School in San Antonio, Texas. Abdulaziz Alomari was reportedly a former Saudi Arabian pilot.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/sept11/undersurveillance.html

Some other links, including the official fuzzy, semi-denial:

Similar uncertainties, according to the Department of Defense, continue to surround the possible association of hijackers with training programs for foreign military officers at U.S. military installations around the country. Although the Defense Department has acknowledged that people with the same names as those attributed to hijackers were associated with such programs at bases in Florida, Alabama and Texas, a spokeswoman said yesterday they weren't sure whether those individuals were in fact hijackers.
http://www.newsday.com/ny-usprob212376908sep21.story

Did Terrorist Pilots Train at U.S. Military Schools?
http://www.madcowprod.com/issue05.html

September 11th wasn't an intelligence failure. It was an intelligence success.

Just look at Atta and friends in Florida. These people were not fundamentalists. The whole scene has the stink of protected drug trafficking, covert ops and BCCI.

Jeb Bush seized flight school records at 2 AM on September 12
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1328855

Heroin, Al Qaeda and the Florida Flight School
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1294206

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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:16 AM
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13. so is this yet another case of blowback...
that is, people who are CIA "assets" turning on the US...

or were they moles all along...

or were they part of a more sinister plot...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:22 AM
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16. not blowback
These people were protected all the way. Right up to the morning of September 11, when the nation's defenses stood down. Mission accomplished.

That's the only conclusion to me from the totality of the evidence.
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Flowerchild73 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:35 AM
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18. That is it
I am moving to Canada!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:40 AM
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19. If this was a case of coincidental name sharing, why wouldn't
the government simply bring them out publicly to clear up the confusion?

Very strange, indeed.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:49 AM
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20. Strange murder by "car crash" of woman with links to terrorists
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 02:25 PM by Skinner
Remember the suspicious death of Katherine Harris, a Tennessee state driver's license examiner, the day before she was schedule to appear in court??


FBI Investigating Fiery Car Death Of Woman Charged In Driver's License Scheme
http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/2002/ap021302.html

MEMPHIS, Tenn. - The focus of an investigation into a fraudulent driver's license scheme with possible terrorism ties has shifted to the mysterious death of a chief suspect, whose car went up in flames a day before her court hearing.

Katherine Smith, 49, was found burned beyond recognition early Sunday in a car crash that a prosecutor described as "most unusual and suspicious." Her arraignment in federal court was scheduled for Monday.

"Was it an accident? Was it a suicide? Or was it something else?" FBI spokesman George Bolds said Tuesday. "It's not clear what happened exactly."

The car Smith was driving ran off the road and struck a utility pole in a rural area just north of the Mississippi state line, Highway Patrol Lt. Col. Mark Fagan said.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:31 PM
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21. Link between terrorist working at WTC and FAILURE of WTC Sprinkler System
The men linked to Katherine Smith had a "pass" to work at the WTC on Sept. 5, 2001. Here is the related transcript from a man trapped in the WTC after the atttacks, and asking "Where's the f------ sprinkler system?"

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=21830&Disp=145

The transcript of nearly 2,000 pages includes the words of dozens of victims. Some identified themselves by name. The release comes two weeks before the second anniversary of the terrorist attacks.

As maintenance and electrical workers talked to each other on their dedicated radio channel, one man trapped in a stairwell on the 103rd floor of the north tower called repeatedly for help.

"Open the stairway door," he called. The radio picked up his labored breathing, and he reported smoke rising. "People stuck in the stairway, open up the goddamn doors." Later he burst out, "Where's the f------ sprinkler system?"


For over 18 months many have been asking that same question, "Where was the sprinkler system?"

The question has considerably more impact coming from someone in the Tower as compared to coming from someone at a keyboard.

Maybe this man deserves an answer to his question.

I first considered the question when I read about the five Middle Eastern men arrested in Memphis on Feb.5,2002 for buying fraudulent Tennessee drivers licences.

One of those arrested, Sakher A. Hammad , "had a visitor's pass for one of the towers dated Sept. 5. He has allegedly told investigators that his Brooklyn plumbing company worked on the building's sprinkler system."

Sakher reported that his cousin, also arrested with him was working on the sprinkler system..

A letter presented in court from Hammad's alleged employer,explaining his work in the World Trade Center, is signed with an alias,Sergei Denko, and is from a non-existent company named Denko Mechanical.

Katherine Smith was a State of Tennessee employee that was also arrested for providing the fradulant drivers licences to Hammad and friends. Katherine Smith was associated with a Memphis man named Khaled Odtllah, who was the ring leader of the scam. According to press reports, on September 11,2001, the Memphis resident Khaled Odtllah was driving his car from New York City to Memphis.

"Katherine Smith, out of jail on her own recognizance, died in a fiery car crash the night before she was scheduled to appear at a detention hearing." She was found alone in a car owned by Odtllah, burned alive with gasoline. The last time developments into the Katherine Smith death were reported in the press was when in June 2002, the Medical Examiner for Shelby County was found in a stairwell in his work building tied up with barbed wire with a bomb attached to his chest. In those press reports it was stated that four months after Katherine Smith was burned alive with gasoline, the Medical Examiner had still not determined if it was homicide or suicide.

The five Middle Eastern men were all free by August 2002, released with time served. Sakher A. Hammad served 51 days, Katherine Smith got death, and the Medical Examiner got the scare of a life time.

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:40 PM
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22. WHY did sprinkler System ALSO FAIL at WTC 7?
So much doesn't add up...check out this info, and also the video of WTC 7 "collapsing"


http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/WTC7Fairytale.htm
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:31 PM
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23. WTC 7 had the NYC CIA office, didn't it?
And didn't WTC 7 have gasoline or fuel storage tanks on the 25-26th floors?
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:52 PM
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24. WTC 7 had a storage facility for FBI & CIA Files
WTC 7 "housed high-level government offices including the FBI, CIA and the Secret Service. WTC 7 was also the storage facility for millions of files pertaining to active cases involving international drug dealing, organized crime, terrorism and money laundering."

http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm
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glasnost Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 05:39 AM
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25.  Michael Meacher, Ex-British Cabinet Member Says 9-11 Was US Plot

The following is from
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4747953-107865,00.html
Begins.....
This war on terrorism is bogus
The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its global domination

Michael Meacher
Saturday September 6, 2003
The Guardian

Massive attention has now been given - and rightly so - to the reasons why Britain went to war against Iraq. But far too little attention has focused on why the US went to war, and that throws light on British motives too. The conventional explanation is that after the Twin Towers were hit, retaliation against al-Qaida bases in Afghanistan was a natural first step in launching a global war against terrorism. Then, because Saddam Hussein was alleged by the US and UK governments to retain weapons of mass destruction, the war could be extended to Iraq as well. However this theory does not fit all the facts. The truth may be a great deal murkier.

We now know that a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush's younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences, was written in September 2000 by the neoconservative think tank, Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says "while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document attributed to Wolfowitz and Libby which said the US must "discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role". It refers to key allies such as the UK as "the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership". It describes peacekeeping missions as "demanding American political leadership rather than that of the UN". It says "even should Saddam pass from the scene", US bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently... as "Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has". It spotlights China for "regime change", saying "it is time to increase the presence of American forces in SE Asia". ....

Go to link above for complete item.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:18 AM
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29. A good one to ask: 'Why did the US govt train several of the hijackers..?"
This one needs much more airtime.

The 9-11 'commission' should be focusing on the specific decisions/excuses/people that allowed these guys to get trained. Who paid for it? (Taxpayers??) Who asked for it? Who were they, and didn't they get any background checks?
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