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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 09:45 PM Original message |
Poll question: How many DU'ers would prefer a one payer system.... |
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rooboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. Comment... |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Good question. I don't know. But right now our system is broken.. |
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SpartacusSC (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. In the US that would be paid for...... |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. I have "insurance" but yet I keep paying and fighting with insurers |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I pay $15,000 per year in malpractice insurance and that is nothing... |
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Wapsie B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. What I would love to see right now |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:19 AM Response to Reply #13 |
142. If you take the administrative overhead |
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Wapsie B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #142 |
151. And it's not just those inflated |
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outinforce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
155. "Aministrative Overhead" |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #155 |
195. All day in an SSA office? That's RUBBISH and I would know |
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outinforce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #195 |
217. Rubbish? |
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LearnedHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
73. 'Preciate that post, doc... |
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BritishHuman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 03:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
141. I believe in the NHS |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:08 PM Original message |
Your post illustrates a lot of the problems . . . |
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hedgetrimmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
105. I agree |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
5. I would |
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SarahB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think it will cost us all less |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. I blame Clinton |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I agree. He really let us down and this is why I voted for him. |
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cms424 (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. not exactly... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. If it doesn't., anybody who doesn't have adequate coverage, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
163. I had to declare bankruptcy because of health insurance fraud-- |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Never say never. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. You are sooo right! We roll over, saying it can't happen here, |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
45. I predict it will happen, and within the next 10 years or so. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
166. Business is starting to see this as a win-win situation: |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
162. It will. It benefits patieents, doctors, and most of all-- |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
161. Gotta agree; when the heatr was on he backed down and made the entire issu |
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American liberal (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
192. that's odd... |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. Not really correct |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
8. Universal health care is possible. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. You have to understand something about universal health care . . . |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. It works in every single European country |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I can understand why the U.S. ranks near the bottom . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Tadaa..they do |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Most of these figures aren't necessarily relevant to this discussion . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. hahahahahahahaha |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. That argument is not a "strawman" at all . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. You'll have to do better than that |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. The reason |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Why don't you go back and read my post more carefully . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. No problem |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. I can see why Canada has the "fairest mechanism" . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #57 |
72. and just where did you get that from? |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Get what from? |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:16 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Link please |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:17 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Because |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Well, we could also jack up income tax |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Oh, I understand that |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
187. well that's just fascinating |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
156. Sure, if explained properly |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #156 |
169. Well put! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Yeah and imagine if those people you mention with social |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
189. chasing smoke |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 01:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
209. How do you know? |
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Bjornsdotter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. It Works in Sweden |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Hey Kim. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
170. Welcome to DU! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Haha. That old argument has been around a long time and has |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I've "enjoyed" a single-payer system before . . . |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Got any statistics? |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. See Post #26 for my explanation . . . |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I did. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. You really are trotting out all the old "why it won't work for us" |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
171. So put your "money" where your mouth is... |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
61. Well, let's think about this . . . |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Are you in the insurance industry? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I'll bet not directly involved, but perhaps works for a PR firm |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Not cool |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Whether it's cool or not to you doesn't matter. These people |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Stop being so dramatic . . . |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Bwahahahaha What a comedian! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
172. A small business? Wouldn't single payer save you money |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #172 |
185. Of *course* it would |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
202. Explain how a person on Social Security Disablity has no drug coverage |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Why should he have to explain who he is? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. And we are getting him to express his opinion, not the opposite. |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. No, of course you do |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Thanks for standing up for me, Sir! . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. For one thing, the post was to another person not the person |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Let me guess . . . |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Oh yeah, you're "kidding"... hahahahaha |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Well, then don't make us guess. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. If you had waited a few minutes . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. So then explain why you bring up all the points the |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Heck, I'll even go one step further . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. HMO's too. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. OK -- get rid of all of them . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #54 |
67. Wrong again. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Bingo -- that's exactly how a single-payer system works . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:22 AM Response to Reply #71 |
85. I'm sparing with you right now because it's kind of fun |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:30 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Even before I lived there, I knew there was a problem in Canada . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. That's because they have unions that are effective. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Like I've said before . . . it's a trade-off. |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:48 AM Response to Reply #96 |
106. Myth. All myth |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:02 AM Response to Reply #106 |
116. One thing is definitely not a myth . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:03 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Again. Evidence |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. If the US isn't, then we have no right calling ourselves |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:15 AM Response to Reply #121 |
124. I am not in the insurance industry . . . |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #124 |
178. Again, wouldn't single payer remove a huge burden of funds and time? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #121 |
177. I guareantee he does not have a chronic or debilitating illness, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #96 |
107. Well, imagine having happy workers caring for you. How |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #96 |
176. Strong unions are the best thing for patients; |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
174. And HMOs are beholden to their shareholders, so the bottom line is; well, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
173. Huge difference; single payer bears no shareholder responsibility. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. How many "elderly widows" and "little children" are there . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Wrong. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Your post is very confusing . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Medicare is being undermined by the idiots in Congress who |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. I think your understanding of these things is incorrect . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Your GOP talking points are inaccurate and constructed as |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. You and I agree on one big thing . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:39 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Anything is better than what we have now. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:44 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Just remember this . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:53 AM Response to Reply #101 |
109. The problem is I'm paying for what I'm not getting. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:59 AM Response to Reply #109 |
114. Exactly . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:01 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. WTF? |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:05 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Are you kidding me? |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Not even close |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #122 |
127. Maybe I'm missing something here . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #127 |
128. How do you define it? |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:35 AM Response to Reply #128 |
133. By your definition of "natural causes" . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:45 AM Response to Reply #133 |
138. Where is your evidence? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #133 |
181. Citation? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #127 |
180. And many are preventable or controllable--I have ID diabetes |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #180 |
193. I'm IDD now |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 08:16 AM Response to Reply #193 |
214. Damn, I'm sorry about that. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:05 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Insurance works by taking a calculated risk that an event is |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:14 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Your understanding of insurance . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Not so fast. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:29 AM Response to Reply #126 |
131. I think your life insurance company has been screwing you . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #131 |
146. I think you need a reality check. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #123 |
182. Cripes--routine visits keep me from having catastrophes. |
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revcarol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 06:20 AM Response to Reply #114 |
211. We don't get what we pay for because of profits, high CEO and other |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #101 |
153. What a crock! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #153 |
183. That's it--I'm moving. The kid will come, the husband will |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
157. Let's see now |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
179. Many small business organizations are advocating U-SP fro the very |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
83. Children |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:24 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. It should be noted, of course, that . . . |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Oh? |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Here's your assignment for the week . . . |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:46 AM Response to Reply #90 |
103. Bull |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:54 AM Response to Reply #103 |
111. I hate to break this to you . . . |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:19 AM Response to Reply #111 |
125. It's being rationed now. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #111 |
188. Rationing by severity and immediacy--NOT by who can pay and who can't. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #90 |
186. They are sent to woefully underfunded county and city hospitals. |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #86 |
100. Touche' |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #100 |
112. He doesn't have any because everything he has brought |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:58 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I dunno |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #113 |
147. Because he can't. He doesn't have any factual |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
184. BULLSHIT. If I had not had health insurance when I had |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #52 |
92. Do you know people have actually been jailed for not paying those bills? |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. I have never heard of a case like that . . . |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:25 AM Response to Reply #99 |
129. It's true. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. I accept that as true, but I think you picked a bad example . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:36 AM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Your health care system is dying |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. I agree with that post 100% . . . |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:41 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Single payer will work much better |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:44 AM Response to Reply #132 |
137. Ugh |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:47 AM Response to Reply #132 |
139. What's next? |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:28 AM Response to Reply #99 |
130. Didn't think you had |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
165. They do it anyway, illegally |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 08:22 AM Response to Reply #52 |
215. They can't turn them away, but they have NO obligation to give adequate |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. No . . . |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
167. Take out the word "insurance" from the issue and replace with "care." |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
30. Another issue in which Dennis Kucinich is right about! |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. As someone once said.... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
55. This might be OT, but I had an interview with AFLAC this week. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Half of all bankruptsies are due to medical expenses. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
190. I'm an example, and I'm not afraid to say it. |
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SOteric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
60. I'm more for a single payer system than against one, -but |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:01 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Good points |
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SOteric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
118. I think this is possibly the case even with the current HMO |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. The blended system lowers the quality of health care. |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:09 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. I think your post is a little naive . . . |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. To be fair |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Here we go again. |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:53 AM Response to Reply #78 |
143. Good one - the Canadians I know (many) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #143 |
148. Yes, and we American who have been getting drugs from |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:39 AM Response to Reply #74 |
97. The naivete' is on your side |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:47 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. When was the last time . . . |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 01:51 AM Response to Reply #104 |
140. Do you know the answer? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #104 |
158. If they were, it would not be reported in the U.S. press |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #158 |
196. In this case |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:13 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. John's Hopkins |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. That's obviously horrible |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. I don't doubt that |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #199 |
200. oh, absolutely |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. It was a part of medical debate |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. no argument there |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:52 PM Response to Reply #203 |
204. Agreed |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. yeah, i'm thinking |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #205 |
206. It's a winner all the way around |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #206 |
207. eh |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 12:14 AM Response to Reply #207 |
208. Then that's probably the best route for you then |
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SOteric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:52 AM Response to Reply #69 |
108. Actually a pretty good case can be made for the British system. |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #60 |
216. pretty much the German system |
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LearnedHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
70. It is the ONLY equitable solution ... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:37 AM Response to Reply #70 |
95. That's because the opposition defines it that way to scare |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:54 AM Response to Reply #95 |
110. Well, think about it...... "Insurance is socialism" |
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wasichu (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
94. yes , but |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:44 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. This is the problem. |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
144. Canadian Health Care System Explained |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:48 AM Response to Reply #144 |
145. I did actually mean "fee for service" basis...paid by the government. |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
149. Yes, but co-pays on a sliding scale should be required. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. No, they shouldn't. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
152. It would be an improvement |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #152 |
159. Here in America we would never bring the medical profession |
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sir_captain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. It's not unreasonable to stay private |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 04:21 AM Response to Reply #160 |
210. Yeah I know the reality |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
154. 40,000+ uninsured sucks. |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:48 PM Response to Reply #154 |
164. you left out 3 zeros |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 08:03 AM Response to Reply #164 |
213. Thanks for the heads-up - revised number: 40,000,000+ uninsured |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
168. This DUer wants |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
175. Reframing the issue -repost |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-04 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
191. Single-payer or single-healthcare? |
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Midwest_Doc (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-16-04 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
212. As a practicing physician, I vote YES |
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