We have done everything but one thing to stop Al-qaeda:

[baronessniki]

Get the hell out of Arab nations and let them run their own affairs. They will still sell us their oil, and if there is an honest, fair, and just settlement of the Israeli/Palestinian situation they will all get along.

If they want to fight among themselves...let them, it's their countries.
If God wants them to becom Christians, don't you think he has the power to convert them?

Get out and stay out!!!

[mr_hat]

1. There's just that one little detail: Hezbollah >

Hamas et al wiping Israel off the map. Leaving them be or no, that's troublesome to me.

[IronLionZion]

24. nobody in the muslim world can wipe Israel off the map

nobody has that kind of suicidal intentions. All the nukes in Pakistan could not hold a candle to Israel's 200+ nuclear warheads and top tier military.

Israel is a regional superpower. The arab-Israeli wars were quite humiliating for all the arab nations involved. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc. lost land. It was like midgets fighting a frickin giant.

[baronessniki]

29. God did it once, he can do it again.

Or don't you believe in God?

[IronLionZion]

34. ???

:wtf:

oh hell, Welcome to DU

[mr_hat]

31. I agree, on a stategic level. >

Allah, however, akbar.

[IronLionZion]

36. allah akbar?

so you buy that bullshit that muslims are out to destroy the jews?

that's the type of stuff you might see at free republic

[mr_hat]

38. Not that Muslims are, no. Just the Islamists. >

Do you doubt their stated intentions?

[IronLionZion]

39. Do you doubt Likud's intentions?

or PNAC's? or the KKK? or the skinheads? There are evil people everywhere that love to kill.

[mr_hat]

40. God no. I totally agree. However, there must be some >

line of defense against extremists, no? Can reasonable (wo)men not preserve what we hold dear, at some cost?

[theboss]

2. It will be the first time in 2000 years.

"If there is an honest, fair, and just settlement of the Israeli/Palestinian situation they will all get along."

If you want to know the God's honest truth, the real problem in the Middle East is that all the nations are phony constructs with the exceptions of Egypt and Iran. France and Britain simply drew borders all over the map, assigned random pieces of land to their favorite locals, named them king, and left. These are basically nomadic tribes, who all hate each other, who were fenced off by foreigners. Or in the case of Iraq, fenced together by foreigners.

That's why I find the argument that Israel shouldn't be there to be silly. None of the countries should be there in any traditional sense.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

6. Jews and Muslims DID get along in the Middle Ages

Much better than Jews and Christians, by the way.

It's kind of an Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia thing.

[IronLionZion]

28. that's true

they lived quite peacfully until the movement to create the Jewish state of Israel out of Palestine.

[baronessniki]

25. You have a point.

But things are they way they are now and the world has to deal with it. We need to do what is the best thing for dealing with the situation as it is now.

[Spring]

3. There is no Al Qaeda

There is no Al Qaeda in the sense that the media gives it.
This is a sophisticated state sponsored intelligence operation.
OK How do I know this. OBL was once Tim Osmann who worked for our CIA.
What you are seeing are various pretexts to install a one world government within the next 10 years. Did you watch the 911 Commission hearings? You should have. They want an MI5 to be installed here in the US. In care you don't know what that is . MI5 is the UK's in country intel agency. But what you may not know the UK is getting and FBI. What the blank for? I'll tell you why-- a lot of people are not going to want a one world government and they know it. These agencies will be used to suppress the people. It was striking that Thomas Kean said in the press conference that he wanted open hearings to "bring the people along in the process". This 911 Commission is to gain support for the development of an MI5. All of this including 911 has been carefully planned and staged to bring about this one world government. Which is geo- masonic and planned for at least 100 years.

[asthmaticeog]

4. BRAVO!

You even got the Masons in on the action! You get a tinfoil hat A-plus! Extra credit if you'll claim that Cecil Rhodes planned it all out a century ago.

Gotta love a newbie with an unnecessarily complicated theory and no corroborating evidence... kinda like that obsessive April 19th guy last week.

[Name removed]

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[JohnLocke]

7. "Paid discrediting agent" -- LOL

Uh, yeah. We're all here to cover up the vast conspiracy. :eyes:

[PaDUer]

37. Posted to wrong post, sorry..n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

8. Thanks for the laughs!

I was in need of some!

[Vickers]

10. Put up some links

Let's see it. I'll read it.

[PaDUer]

33. delete

[JohnLocke]

13. "OBL was once Tim Osmann" "CIA" "geo-masonic" "One world gov't"

Uh, yeah. :eyes:

[Minstrel Boy]

19. Bravo, without the sarcasm.

:toast:

And welcome, Spring. You'll find many likeminds here.

[Spring]

21. Thanks Minstrel Boy

Nice to meet you too.

[JohnLocke]

23. Minstrel Boy

Weren't you the one who said that "The CIA did it" is your "default position on everything"?

[Minstrel Boy]

32. It was a tad more nuanced than that, but thanks

for remembering. Though I didn't say the CIA.

Here's what I said:

A good assumption for the Bush years: "They Did It"

"If John Doe's head splits open and a UFO should fly out, I want you to have expected it."

A favourite line from the film Seven, and better advice I couldn’t give Americans in 2004.

Here’s a good working hypothesis: everything issuing from the Bush White House is a lie. Nothing, either substantial or inconsequential, said by Bush or his thugs has been found true. And if you know this, then you’ll know that the official stories Americans are expected to receive as gospel are nothing but a tapestry of lies.

So when a terrorist attack serves the greater interests of the Grand Imperial Octopus, or a potential threat to the de facto regime in Washington suffers an accidental death, my first assumption will always be, They Did It.

For instance, when more than 100 Shia pilgrims are killed in attacks designed to stir up sectarian hatreds which neither the Shia nor Sunni communities are keen to inflame, and the break-up of Iraq along religious lines into weak vassal states is a longstanding strategic objective of the neo-conservatives, I know who I blame. And when more than 200 Spaniards are killed on the eve of an election, and attacks on civilians historically drive them towards the right, I know who hoped to profit. More so, when I hear the Mighty Wurlitzer spin the Socialist victory into If Al Qaeda attacks the US before the elections, then a vote for Kerry would be a sign of weakness, and even floating the trial balloon of suspending the vote.

Of course, with such a sweeping presumption, sometimes I’ll be wrong. Not every awful thing that happens during the Bush years can be ascribed to the Bush regime. And when I know with some assurance it isn’t, then I’ll change my assessment. But until then I’ll presume them guilty. And all things considered – for instance, the past three years through the looking glass – I think it’s an entirely reasonable presumption.

Because it’s not irrational to believe that the illegitimate rulers of the United States, and presumptive rulers of the world, would stoop to anything to get their way. We need look no further than the public record of lies, death, war and greed, that reaches well past the chimp in the suit and back into the think tanks that fuel the mad ideology of his administration.

What’s at stake here?

Here, at the convergent vanishing points of the age of oil and American soft power, it’s the world that is on the line. And how far will the dark actors playing games go to win it?

What limits constrain them? It’s not likely to be their own shame. And listen to the Mighty Wurlitzer play on, and tell me it will be the media.

Question everything. Expect anything.

And if you do, then when Dick Cheney's head splits open, you might have seen it coming.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1245087

[PaDUer]

30. Googled n/t

[Spring]

9. Evidence

See Link:
http://ourownmedia.com/wilber47/
This should take you all night to read.

[Spring]

11. When the US Screws its Own Intel Agents

You see this is what happens when the US screws its own intel agents.
You know what happens. They might talk.

[Spring]

14. This is in regards to the most screwed US agent of all time

This agent is one of the most screwed US agents of all time.
He is the one that took the Russian economy down. You don't think it happened by accident do you?

[JohnLocke]

16. Three replies to your own posts.

:eyes:

[Spring]

22. Have to get the info out

Have to get the info out before they ban me again.
You see they don't allow real documents to be posted ever.

[JohnLocke]

27. "before they ban me again"? WTF!?

[Vickers]

12. Some of it handwritten? Some of it in Dutch?

:wtf:

[Spring]

15. Brussels

In Brussels there is a repository for screwed agents to hide documents to protect themselves in the even they are screwed by their own.

[Spring]

17. Its called the "Library"

The repository in Brussels. If you scroll up. There is an English translation. There one can learn about the Sudairi Seven and how the Iran hostages were really freed. See the US people are lied to all the time.

[Vickers]

18. Dude, I tried going through it, but I have that Dubyah Disease

I need all of this put in some kind of order, or at least an overview telling me where things fit, what order to look at them, etc. I'm sure some good info can be gleaned from all that, but if it isn't in a format or system that folks can easily access, it won't be used.

[Spring]

20. Go to ourownmedia.com

Go to ourownmedia.com
and register. I can talk to you in the chat room.

[Spring]

26. Google Ambassador Leo Wanta for Starters

Google Ambassador Leo Wanta for Starters.

[Minstrel Boy]

35. Nice to see Leo Wanta's name.

He's an important guy, whose story can tell us a lot about global para-politics.

Wanta's name comes up in this very rich, archived thread on BCCI. (The coincidence theorists never venture into the BCCI threads. Maybe it scares them to actually follow the very real money trail of conspiracies their worldview cannot permit.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=977792#984910