So, this cleric

[sithknight]

This cleric we're trying to "arrest" (by any means necessary) for the crime of murder...isn't that a domestic Iraqi concern? I mean, even if the guy did do it; should we let the Iraqi people deal with it? My guess is we're not going after any of the people who looted the nation's national treasures (and we were responsible for letting it happen), but now we're going after this guy and in doing so pissing off a huge number of people. Is is just me, or are we sticking our noses where they're going to get bit off?

[rooboy]

1. The murder charge is bullshit, imho...

do they mean to tell me that they were going to let a murderer get off free until he pissed them off? No way...

[Occulus]

3. I think it's more the idea that

if that were the case, we (and not the Iraqis) would be going after him.

See my reply to the original post; I make that point better there.

[sithknight]

4. are you serious?

There are plenty of murderers in Iraq that we're not going after. The US has not assumed any degree of traditional "law enforcement" role of tracking down criminals. But we picked this ONE guy?

[Occulus]

2. Better point yet:

If he is a murderer, wouldn't it be in our own best interests to allow the Iraqis the opportunity to prove they can indeed dispense justice in their own country? It seems to me our "commitment" to returning power to the Iraqi people would be bolstered by letting them go after him...

Oh. Sorry, my bad. I'm not a well-connected unelected foreign policy bigsnot, so I can't dictate what should be done. Now, is it just me, or does everyone except the people making the decisions seem to have lots of better ideas than the ones actually being put into motion?

[DEMVET-USMC]

5. I am so sick of clerics having any say in World affairs

I spit every time I see the word cleric. Who are these jerk-offs but a bunch of religeous fruit cakes. We need intelligent people who base their decisions on reality if we are ever to have any semblence of peace and sanity in this World. It astounds me that in the 21st century we are refighting the religeous wars of the 9th and 10th centuries. All people of the World, reject this superstitious non-sense and just maybe we can work things out between ourselves. ...Oscar

[Imperialism Inc.]

6. Maybe if you snap your fingers.

Or click your boot-heels together three times while reciting "I love Bill Clinton, I love Bill Clinton, I love Bill Clinton."

[DEMVET-USMC]

9. Clicking heels 3 times ?

Is this a reference to NAZI GERMANY? Wether or not it is I will take this oppourtinity to refer all readers to the shrub family history regarding their involvement with the HITLER PROJECT. Go to < www.tarpley.net >. THEN click unto Shrub ,THE UNAUTHORIZED BIO, then click chapter 2: THE HITLER PROJECT. You will get a well documented history of the treachery the Shrub family engaged in during WWII. ..Oscar

[Eye and Monkey]

13. Not jackboots. These heels -

[A HERETIC I AM]

10. Now THATS an intelligent response........

Point please?

:wtf:

[SnowGoose]

7. Stealth Clerics

I hear ya! Nothing keeps people apart like their gods, and that's a crying shame.

The thing is that most of the politicians who run this country make their decisions from the same kind of ideological place as the clerics, but they cloak it in the guise of a civil society, which sucks.

At least when the priests/clerics run a country, everybody knows why shit is the way it is. Here we're told we have "separation of church and state." If only that were true.

[DEMVET-USMC]

12. Thank You: Oscar

Thank you and it is heartening to know that others share simular views as to this religeous non-sense. " RELIGION IS INSTITUTIOALIZED INSANITY". < ARTHUR JANOV > THE PRIMAL SCREAM and other books about PRIMAL THERAPY. ...Oscar

[A HERETIC I AM]

8. Welcome to DU!!!

:hi: :hi:

I agree wholeheartedly.

Say what you will, no true peace will ever befall mankind until humans shed the intellectually primitive superstitions and myth beliefs created thousands of years ago that do little more than facilitate the control of the masses for the benefit of the few.

[DEMVET-USMC]

14. Thank You For Your Welcome.

I have gotten such negative responses to so many of my posts it is very heartening to get this message from you : A HETERIC I AM, again thank you. Oscar

[sithknight]

11. cleric or priest, same thing

people listen to those who speak to them. end of story. politics has always flowed from the pulpit. Be as sick as you want, the people are listening to them. We need to adapt to the instant situation, not try to control it.

[Eye and Monkey]

15. Who said "strangle the last priest with the intestines of the last noble"?

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson.

[DEMVET-USMC]

16. I agree that religious nuts come in all flavors.

Having said that, much of the World is in very real danger of becoming embroiled or is already engaged in wars, derived from religious motivations, the ultimate results could be very bad. The current Pres. claims to be a fundimentalist Christian, whatever that means. Most of the enemies our Nation faces today have so called fundamentalist beliefs of a different nature or at least a different name. It has not always been this way. It was not during the THE HIPPY ERA. The Romans did not put much faith in thier Gods. They were well known for taking back offerings if their requests were not granted and I doubt many had much belief in anything other than might makes right. There are many cultures that had vague if any supernatural beliefs that they actually tried to live by. Surely the Soviet Union did not. To some it up , there is nothing carved in stone about anything. I do believe the human race can at least leave the most harmful effects of religeon behind us. ....Oscar