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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:15 AM
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Nader letter to Moore
This one's going to make some of you go ballistic, some of you will agree with it. I still have mixed feelings and am setting on the fence for the time being. Anyway, it's going to get posted eventually, so I might as well do it. Love him or hate him, here's Ralph:

Friday April 16, 2004
HEY DUDE WHERE'S MY BUDDY!!!???

COME BACK HOME MICHAEL!!!
Ok Michael, you've had your realpolitik fling with ex-General Wesley Clark. Your endorsed Presidential candidate in the Democratic Primaries has withdrawn. It is time for you to come home, to join your buddies and resume your only genuine role which is that of defiance and resistance. Compliance and assistance with the Democrats does not accord with your past, your character, your bold writings and, most memorably, your long corrosive assaults on the Party that betrayed the working classes and plunged our country into corporate globalization. Remember, Michael, you're the flinty man from Flint, Michigan. You've never forgotten your roots. The heady Hollywood, Manhattan scene with the celebrities and Academy Awards have never gotten to your head but rather have gotten into your deserving pockets. How we all recall your standing before one billion people in Los Angeles at the televised Academy Awards in 2003 and, breaking the customary cant of the awardees, throwing the gauntlet down to George W. Bush and his "fictitious" war mongering.
Now the War has become a quagmire, with both Republicans and Democrats complicit (check the votes in Congress). The Draft may be on the way. So what are you doing going on the Al Franken Show very nearly breaking down when Al Gore (he of the pro NAFTA/GATT, anti-worker, regime-change, Iraq-bombing, lethal sanctions on half a million children Administration) called and thought you were apologizing. You have nothing to apologize for, Michael. Gore has a lot to apologize for-blowing the election he won in Florida and the country as a whole and for blowing, with Bill Clinton, the many opportunities the rich-booming Nineties and the collapse of the Soviet Union gave this country to turn a peace dividend into a pro-worker, pro-environment, pro-consumer and anti-poverty resurgence.
Come back and join our Presidential campaign, Michael. Talk to those "Reagan Democrats"-those 35% of union members who still vote Republican and against their own interests-as only you can. Michael, if you go pumping for the Democratic Party this year, just what are you going to say to the unemployed steelworkers near Sparrows Point in Maryland? To the megathousands of laid off textile and furniture workers in North and South Carolina? To the abandoned auto workers waiting and waiting near their empty factories that went to repressive countries? To the millions of blue-collar workers, who fought our wars, only to learn that the two parties won't fight for their company pensions and health insurance? Are you going to tell them how the Democratic Party pushed through the WTO, let their pensions erode or disappear, were too busy collecting checks from the corporate bosses to pay attention to the corporate crime wave that looted and drained trillions of dollars from millions of workers, their retirement and small investments? Will you tell them that the cowardly Democrats, who couldn't win the fewer elections they are now not losing without the labor vote, won't even mount a determined drive to repeal the notorious, union-blocking Taft Hartley Act?
How can you be free to be what you are, or to depress Bush's vote, to jolt into consciousness the moribund Democratic Party?
Hey Dude, join your real buddies! The ones you may be thinking about just don't fit either your message, your vision, or our website VoteNader.org.
Come back home Michael. The workers and the youth of America are looking for you.
Best regards,

Ralph Nader




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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:18 AM
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1. Nader is a crack pot!
What more can I say?
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:21 AM
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3. while we're talking moore...
have you seen this faces of the fallen image on his website?



it's credited to americanleftist.com
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:22 AM
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6. Wow, that is a VERY stark, powerful message!
Great work!
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:20 AM
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2. Gosh that man lives in a dream world..
Michael Moore is learning that things arent as black and white as nader would have you believe and that you can still be a great progressive while recognizing that our political choices can have a huge effect on the country. Nader is still dreaming that the Repubs and Dems are basically the same thing and that we can afford to let either of them win in exchange for a longshot political movement.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:21 AM
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4. He sounds more like Larouche
Nader is a nut. Hopefully he disappears before election day.
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Carmerian Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:54 PM
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29. Now there's a name or two!
I'm thinking "Lyndon LaNader" or maybe "Ralph LaRouche".
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:22 AM
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5. Hey Ralph, Michael Moore is
behind the democrats because he sees what at stake if King George retains power.
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flaminlib Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:27 AM
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7. I thought this was a fake.
Its the real deal, up on Nader's site. Unbelievable. I wonder if Moore will respond.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:27 AM
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8. Nader sounds desperate and pitiful....
He should have tried to change things from the inside
rather than aid the Bushies....

Anyway, Nader's just a consumer advocate. I don't see how
that entitles him to ruin everything and then be unapologetic
about it.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:28 AM
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9. Some of what Nader says makes sense, problem is
Edited on Fri Apr-16-04 11:36 AM by awake
he doesn't seem to understand the current administration is not simply the flip-side of the same coin. In this case republicans and democrats are not the same. The Bush administration is the most dangerous rogue elephant EVER! Sorry Ralph, we'd love to join the good fight, but if you don't help us dump Bush there won't be anything left to fix.
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karabekian Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:35 AM
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10. or maybe he doesn't see any real difference
between our party and the republicans. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that....:shrug:
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 12:32 PM
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16. Or maybe Nader is a LIAR!!!
Nader says he is running to give people a choice, but when Moore chooses someone else, Nader whines and insults

The only choice Nader wants people to have is the choice to vote for Nader
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:35 AM
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11. Exactly, and that is what makes me question his judgment
Bush and co. are fascists. There is a big difference between
the parties. He acts as if there are none. Therefore, his credibility
is nil with me.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 12:31 PM
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15. Here! Here!
Dump the "rogue elephant" first, then fight the good fight.

The reality is, Nader will never get enough votes to be in office, Kerry can get enough votes. So what's more important Ralph, getting an evil rogue out of power, or appeasing your own fragile ego?
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:19 PM
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24. Couldn't have put it better myself!
I voted for Nader both in 1996 and 2000, but I just can't do it this time around. There's too much at stake.

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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:43 AM
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12. Ya want 4 more years of Bush, Ralph?
Just shut up and go away, will ya?
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 12:17 PM
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13. Yeah, 4 more years of Bush will really help the situation, huh?
Question Ralphie... would Gore have gone to war with Iraq?

NO, HE WOULDN'T. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP! THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARTIES. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, RALPH!
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 12:27 PM
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14. My, he really wrote that?
Yeah, I guess so, it's on his website.

What. A. ___________
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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 12:55 PM
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17. I can't believe Naer wrote this.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 01:01 PM
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18. What will you tell the workers, Michael,
if you don't help me hand another 4 years to *?

Someone must have taken Nader's marbles away.
Toys in the attic...
Over the rainbow...
Truly gone fishing.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 01:05 PM
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19. Good old Saint Ralph.
He gets crazier by the minute.
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 01:08 PM
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20. I've Got a Response
Dear Ralph:

F-YOU!

You have become a delusional jackass that desecrates your legacy with each ego-driven move.

You are apparently too stupid or too dense to realize that REPUBLICANS and RIGHT-WING JACKASSES are the only people trying to get you on to ballots because of their hope you will draw votes away from John Kerry -- and therefore keep George Bush in office to destroy everything you have built in your career to this point.

In 2000, you had a chance to cut a deal with Al Gore that would've given you enormous power -- instead, you campaigned in Florida on the final weekend of the election and helped set the table for Bush's thievery.

You are an anchor and a joke to the progressive movement. You need to not only drop out of the 2004 election, but to go away.

In case you didn't see it before, F-YOU!

F-INGLY YOURS,

ME
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 01:13 PM
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21. I hope Moore replies to this...
preferably with a certain gesture involving one extended extremety.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:08 PM
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22. Moore apologized to Gore
The first day of Air America.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:14 PM
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23. Here's a link to the AP story about this
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:21 PM
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25. Check out this quote.
<<Nader spokesman Kevin Zeese said the letter is Nader "just having a little fun" and should not be viewed as a sign the campaign is having trouble garnering support. "This is definitely not a desperate call," Zeese said.>>

Yeah, sure....
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:24 PM
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26. He's losing it
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:40 PM
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nice and whimsical Ralph
For those who spout the nonsensical opinion that Nader is a GOP operative your tinfoil is askew...Heres the next item from that same Nader website:

Wednesday April 14, 2004
Join the Call for an Impeachment Inquiry of Bush and Cheney
Help us Get Congress to Take Action
You can help the call for an impeachment inquiry of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. Sign our online Petition.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should be impeached for two reasons:

They led the United States into an illegal, unconstitutional war in Iraq.
They misled the Congress and the American people with five falsehoods that led to war.
All it takes is one Member of the House of Representatives to call for an Impeachment Inquiry to start the process to investigate the two grounds. If the House then votes by a simple majority for Articles of Impeachment, the Senate would then undertake a trial of the President and Vice President. They would only be convicted, and impeached, if two-thirds of the Senate agrees.


http://www.votenader.org/

Yeah ,some operative,huh....Nader continues to make more sense than Kerry, to speak to the issues with more clarity than Kerry and is the man while Kerry is just another neocon.

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TheBlob Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:40 PM
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27. Looks like Ralph is going out in a blaze of glory
Edited on Fri Apr-16-04 06:43 PM by TheBlob
Nobody likes to be pushed into a corner.

Why didn't Ralph and Michael just have a private sit down on their own time?

Instead he pulls this stunt that smacks of desperation.

Moore isn't stupid. HE'S got an ego TOO.
And he seems pretty committed to ousting Bush.

If this doesn't backfire I'll be amazed.

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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:44 PM
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28. Nader may have well wrote that to Cheney
since hes working for the bush campaign
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greendog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 07:47 PM
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30. I like this letter....
....I'm sure Michael will have a great response.

George W. has been worse than any of us anticipated. On the other hand, Kerry doesn't exactly impress most of us on the left.

I suspect we (Greens/Progressives) will have friendly disagreements like this up until the election.....then somehow most of us will vote for Kerry.

After Kerry is elected, watch out! Expect dramatic third party growth and solidarity. We will simply not let imperialism and corporatism go unchallenged.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:19 PM
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31. Ralphie!!!! You senile has been.
Moore's tasted the Bush Kool Aid and survived. I don't think he wants to make the same mistake twice.

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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:23 PM
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32. Screw NADIR!
He's an enemy of liberalism...he is like the freakin communists tearing down the social dems. arrrgggghhhh
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:44 PM
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33. Poor Ralph Is SCREAMING FOR ATTENTION!
Yawn!!
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