Woodward's book could have been lies with some truth. CNN just had

[KoKo]

Powell saying he knew everything and the President informed him from day One about Iraq and Woodward's statement is simply "not true."

Then Saudi Arabia says that they aren't manipulating our gas prices, then Cohen says that the "Appropriations Bill" might have been written loosely so we don't know if Congress new about the shift from Afghanistan to Iraq was within the Constitution or not...and then Cohen says he DID meet and most of the discussion in the Clinton to Shrub transition was really about Iraq.

So the only thing Woodward got correct was that they were concentrating on going into Iraq before they took office.

The rest of Woodward's book was bogus and designed to be lies...he took a fall for who? So that he could stop all the books coming out after his which will be taken as lies because his was?

I don't want to believe this but this is the worst CNN thing with Blitzer I've ever seen in my life. Bob Woodward the Liar and Chimp-in-Thief the truthteller and "Savior of Iraq and Hero of the War on Terrorism!"

We've been hoodwinked by Woodward! I hope not....but I think so..:-(

[MidwestTransplant]

1. Colin Powell said he wasn't out of the loop

so Woodward lied? What kind of logic is that. You expect Powell to say admit something that. Also, what Powell considered "Day 1", Bush could have considered Day 200.

[keithyboy]

15. Maybe he didn't know he was out of the loop?

Maybe Woodward is a serial liar?
What explains this?
Did Woodward make up Watergate?
Is there anything to save us from this evil regime?
Are Americans totally insane?

[CatWoman]

17. join us tomorrow for the next thrilling episode of

As The Stomach Turns......................

:D

[movonne]

2. What about the tapes????

[saracat]

39. And why is the book

promoted on the Bush Campaign Website????

[nolabels]

53. Where would you like disinformation promoted about you posted at.

Hypothetically of course :-)

They are trying to cut people off at the pass. The goods are out there someone just needs to bring them home. It doesn't take much to discredit people anymore, especially if a corporate behemoth is doing it.

I think we will get a few lucky breaks on the way. Just ignore the scare tactics, that's all they got.

[DODI]

3. It kills me to say this, but I stand with Woodward.

From all that we have read and seen, his seems to be the more truthful account than the lying scumbags' accounts.

[Qanisqineq]

7. I thought Rice hinted

to the fact that Powell might not have known as much when she was on TV yesterday morning. (Face the Nation, if I remember right)

[LittleApple81]

9. Almost anybody who contradicts BushCo is probably telling the truth n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. I'm puzzled by his treatment of Tenet...I wonder if Woodward ever...

directly interviewed Tenet.

[KoKo]

42. The stuff about Tenant does seem to contradict what Clarke has said...

I agree, it's hard to know which version is true. And which side is playing the other to get attention. I thought Clarke was very believable saying "Tenant's Hair is on Fire" about Osama attacks but then when Woodward says that he was ready to go into Iraq, I've got to believe he thought Saddam was sponsoring terrorism..and yet Clarke says it wasn't Saddam but Osama. :shrug:

What are we supposed to believe. And, we old timers here on DU are really well informed. If we don't know which one is telling the truth then what about the rest of America who aren't into all that we are here?

Sad...not knowing what to believe.

[doni_georgia]

36. Scary as it is, so do I. n/t

[Submariner]

4. Woody is on Larry King tonight

it might be worth checking in to see his response to the WH rebuttals today...we shall see. I don't know who to believe anymore, except for Richard Clark.

[Stevendsmith]

5. So....

Woodward sabatoged his reputation and career to protect Bush?

Are you kidding me?

Of course the administration and its allies are going to spin like tops.

Jeez!

[Ninga]

6. OK Koko01, I'm confused.

Woodward lied in order to make the rest of the books that follow his look like lies too???

We all need to take an oxygen break. I don't think I will make it to November.

Woodward is on Larry King tonight. It will be interesting.

[KoKo]

31. Look I'm confused, too! But it looks like that's the way it's playing.Why

would CNN devote over half an hour countering Woodward's book and show Colin Powell saying "it never happened, I've been in the loop" (paraphrase of his statement) and wind up with Schneiders Poll? This goes beyond the ususual Admin/CNN Whoring. This was SCAREY to me!

[stepnw1f]

45. Gee... the same CNN that Chose To Post The Most Approving Poll Numbers

for Bush!

[Killarney]

8. Given the choice between anyone in this administration and woodward

I wouldn't pick woodward as the liar.

Powell, Rice, etc are all lying to save their asses.

[Daisey Mae]

10. When you HIT a dog and injure him... He yelps REAL LOUD.......!

WOODWARD =GOOD GUY
BUSH = BOW WOW

[0007]

11. Jays'us fucking christ - you think anything coming from CNN

has any truth to it? What would anyone expect that whore Colin Powell to say?

Blitzer sez this, Blitzer sez that, give me a break with your BS

You have been hoodwinked by Blitzer.

[xray s]

12. Woodward blows his credibility forever to cover for Bush. Right...

...as for me, I'm shorting October oil futures :)

[TahitiNut]

44. What credibility? Woodward was a Republican albatross ...

... around Bernstein's neck during Watergate. If it wasn't for the fact that there was still a liberal wing to the Republican Party (and a "Deep Throat") at the time, Watergate would've been ignored even more than Iran-Contra.

[joanski01]

13. As I recall, the host on

60 Minutes -- Bill Bradley??? -- said that he listened to the tapes. He said that while he could not reveal Woodward's sources either, he verified them.

Powell, Condi, that PR guy for the White House -- they are all lying. Let's see what Woodward has to say on Larry King Live tonight or tomorrow and on Chris Matthews on Wednesday.

[freetobegay]

14. Did these talking points come from...

:shrug:

[madmax]

16. Powell, ever the loyal soldier

will lie for bush. He's proved that when he lied to the UN.

[sspiderjohn]

18. Cohen said the BUSH adm's focus was on Iraq, didn't he?

Remember, CBS checked Woodward's tapes and sources before airing the 60 minutes segment -- I'd be more inclined to believe Woodward over Powell (a Bush puppet whom we know lied to the UN, and years ago covered up the My Lai incident) or the Bush/Saud oil oligarchs (who have made a fortune off decades of lies, theft, oppression and every form of skullduggery), or Rice (wasn't her testimony before the 9/11 commission pitiful?).

[Gman]

19. Koko, there's 3 important things about Woodward's book

the way I see it. They are:

1. Bush is conspiring with Saudi Arabia to manipulate oil prices in order to manipulate the November election.

2. $700 million was misapppropriated to Iraq rather than Afghanistan as it was intended. And, they conspired to keep Congress in the dark on this. (We don't know how dark Delay et al were.)

3. Bushco showed top secret documents marked explicitly that they were not to be seen by foreigners. Some one should go to jail.

The book also paints a sordid picture of the inner workings of the WH.

#1 & #2 are (or should be) highly damaging to Bush.

The rest of the book is fluff.

[loyalsister]

32. This one troubles me

1. Bush is conspiring with Saudi Arabia to manipulate oil prices in order to manipulate the November election.

The admin can use it to their advantage. If the Saudis say it didn't happen, and they call it off, it looks like it was a lie. OR they go ahead with it, try to explain it away, and joe average will fall for it, because he will be too happy to care why it happened. Particularly if their is anything resembing an economic rebound.

[KoKo]

34. I agree GMan! But the Media is spinning it with help of Bush as "Lies!"

and ABC is now just repeating pretty much what CNN said...using that Clinton Mole Stephanopolis to whore for them! They are showing the administration saying "it just isn't true."

I don't want to see this! I posted this because we need to know how the whores are spinning it!

[Gman]

62. I really think its going to be OK because

Bush's teflon has had a very rough scouring with some rusty steel wool for the last 6 weeks or so. The public now believes we went to war in Iraq under false pretenses meaning--they lie and people now know it. I think our friends the liberal talking heads will keep the Saudi oil issue in the forefront for the rest of the campaign. Everytime oil look like they might drop the response will be, "Is this the Saudi family deal with Bush happening?" And there will be announcements if Saudi Arabia decides to increase production which will bring this topic back up.

[0007]

20. You indeed surprise me with your feeble account from CNN

[KoKo]

37. I reported it as I watched and heard it...get the transcript if you don't

believe me. Thought it was important to post what the "Spin" was on this and it made me sick...so I wanted you guys to be as sick as I was :D

Seems to be folks think I'm a "freep" here on DU...You should know better..shouldn't you?

[maddezmom]

21. you've been hoodwinked by Blitzer

if you're willing to believe this line of garbage, bush* truthteller.........:crazy:

[keithyboy]

22. Do you really think that Congress will admit that they are irrelevant?

That this administration has successfully put them in a straigt jacket? No way. They will try to show that what Bush did with the 700 million was not illegal or unconstitutional. Mark my words.

[robbedvoter]

23. Appropriation bill "written loosely"?

then Cohen says that the "Appropriations Bill" might have been written loosely so we don't know if Congress new about the shift from Afghanistan to Iraq was within the Constitution or not...and then Cohen says he DID meet and most of the discussion in the Clinton to Shrub transition was really about Iraq.

You believe THIS BS?

It kills me even more, but I have to stick with Woody - and I am still hating his guts!
Also, if I were Powell, I'll scream this too - to save my last shreds of dignity.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. Let's add another log to the fire...

...because the way Tenet is described in Woodward's book concerning an attempt by Tenet to push faulty data on Iraqi WMDs is completely opposite of the way his actions have been described by others, including Richard Clarke.

Additionally, Tenet strongly advised Junior not to use the "16 words" in Junior's State of the Union Address, and he also advised Powell not to use the unproven data on Iraqi WMDs during his speech to the UN.

On another topic, Rumsfeld told his direct reports to get busy on the Iraq war plans the day after 911. We also know that the war plans for Iraq had been in place well before the NeoCons took control of the government in December 2000. In addition, the Pentagon constantly updates contingency plans for every country in the world, particularly the Middle East.

The key here is to find out who Woodward used as sources for his book. Another key is to find out what was said during Cheney's so-called "energy meetings".

[robbedvoter]

28. This log I buy - because your sources are good. Woody is not very credible

but it's all relative. I'll believe a piece of dirt over CNN.

[KoKo]

50. Agree, the discrepancies over Tenant! But Media Whores just keep going

with what the "public" will accept and the "Public" isn't into the "nuances" and familiar with the history of lies of these folks..and the murders and deaths we think they have committed to keep their lies in place.

I just had hoped that "Woodwards Book" would blow it. But, now I'm thinking he's more Admin leaning than where he was at "Watergate" times.

CNN pretty much bringing in folks like Powell to refute him says we are in an even scarier position that I though we were. And, I've thought it's been pretty scary for a long while, here. :-(

[sandnsea]

25. Powell & the Saudi's are LYING

What the hell do you expect them to say? Yep, the President committed treason. Sometimes Koko, I really don't know what side you're on.

[CatWoman]

27. *gasp*

holy irony, batman.

Sandnsea and CatWoman agree about something.

[leetrisck]

29. "House of Bush, House of Saud"

has a lot of this info in it - as do other books.

[saracat]

30. You believe

the Bush spinners over Woodward? I think Woodward just got his spine back.After Bush at War, GWB apparently trusted woodward and gave him alot of access. Notice the WH stands by the Bush quotes.

[maddezmom]

33. IIRC, Woodward's interviews with bush* was taped nt

[KoKo]

38. But if Bush was the source why are folks like Powell saying it's not true?

:shrug:

[maddezmom]

61. Powell admitted today that they "all" were interviewed

not sure what he means by all, but anyway.....perhaps one doesn't know what the other has said?

[NJmaverick]

35. Are you joking?

You believe what the bush regime tells you, after all their lies??? What about the price fixing terrorist supporting Saudis you believe them as well??? I will stay with Woodward, he has a much better track record.

[John_H]

40. LOL! Another KoKo1 Classic.

[KoKo]

43. Don't know what you mean about "Classic" but I've been pretty good in

pointing out Media Whore lies and spin here on DU! :-)'s

[BabsSong]

41. Time OUT--what the fuck's going on???

From everything I've picked up about this book, Woodward is so-called "exposing" in a way that makes Bush look like the great leader. Don't you get it--because Americans don't. So what if he was planning Iraq right after 9/11--that makes him look like a great thinker who is planning this terror war way ahead of all the less intelligent people in this nation and that IS EXACTLY the way they are spinning it as we speak. Bush fed Woodward this info---what the hell did you expect?? There really is nothing damning here for Bush but rather exaulting him and that's why his book is rated #1 required reading on the Bush campaign website. You may piss on the "I told you the bastard wanted to go to Iraq all along" but can't you get it through your heads that this is a sign of greatness to Amureka who says "right on...thank Jesus we have a man who can see the future and has the balls (unlike puke Dems) to fight the holy fight"......goddamnit folks, Woodward knew 100% what he was doing. He's not stupid. But he is one of the Bush Nazi folk.

[Z-Dawg-E]

46. Bush Polls Going Up

CNN Lou Dobbs tonight

[Tactical Progressive]

49. That's the way it seems to me, too

I always explain that Iraq was being planned from the day the Bush administration took office. They waited until 9/11 to begin setting up the actual invasion timetable.

BushCo used 9/11 against America.

[Catt03]

47. Anyone buy the book or read any of it??

Joe Scarborough was interviewed on CNN and he said (paraphrase) that Woodward's book is mostly complimentary of Bush and told "people out there" to get a hold of themselves. In fact, he said that Bush will probably like it. And he also stated that it was on the WH web site.

[0007]

48. Are you a paid White House Plant KoKo01?

Or do you do your thingie for wolfie?

[KoKo]

51. Yes, 0007 I've been here as long as you and I'm revealing it tonight!

I post on DU because I'm a White House Operative. I work for PsyOps Branch 01-1137-032.

Look me up when you get access to the CIA files.. I totally work for them. I've got my ticket to leave tonight (won't reveal the airport) so I could do my last CNN "Media Whore Watch Post" just for you, 0007 my friend and fellow DU'er. I was waiting to get you, but you didn't figure it out until now! :D

C-Ya!

[Name removed]

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[KoKo]

54. Well one could say that you could take yours and put it in a sack

and hit the Waste Management folks with it..:-)'s

[0007]

55. I've already dumped my garbage sweetheart,

thanks for picking it up.

[KoKo]

56. When you get the CNN transcript then maybe we can have a real argument

about this. Until then this is just trading "insults." What good does this do? It doesn't help discussion but just gives me a thread hit. Since this isn't what you want why do you keep doing this?

Get the CNN transcript and check the websites of the Network news tonigh lead stories and how WH reacted and then come back and tell me that Woodward's book isn't being torn apart by the WH jackals.

Colin Powell says "that's not true?" Oh please...you think average American will believe Woodward or Powell?

Why not stick to facts instead of doing clever trashes where we just go at each other. I could go at you all night, but until you deal with what I'm talking about here, it would just be refining my "insult skills." I don't want to go any lower than I have already with you...here Buddy. So ...get the transcript or buzz off.

[0007]

59. ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((gong))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


CNN Transcripts!!!
LOL!!
Give me a fucking break. Colin Powell certainly isn't a creditable source, now is he? Was Colin creditable When addressing the UN Security Council with all that unfounded information in February 03. So we do know that a liar is a liar and Colin now sez he was or may have been wrong about the trailers that were suppose to WMD labs.

Can Colin refute the Iran-contra: As Weinberger's military assistant, Powell was in the loop on the Reagan administration's secret plan to supply Hawk and TOW missiles to Iran.

Woodward is another story, this American would believe Robert Woodward before ever ever believing Colin Powell on anything.

"Get the CNN transcript and check the websites of the Network news tonight lead stories and how WH reacted and then come back and tell me that Woodward's book isn't being torn apart by the WH jackals."

Sweetie I can get a better account than what you suggest and have already and it still doesn't add up to your spin. YOU was spinning Woodward last night before 60 minutes was even out.

By the way what is an average American? One that is fed by CNN MSNBC or FAUX?

[Generator]

57. No, the answer is that Colin Powell has sold his soul

isn't that obvious? What the hell is he even doing there? I used to think he was a man of courage, no more. IF you read what Powell says very closely he doesn't deny what Woodward says. Just spins it around in new words. These people are re-writing the 1984 manual on Peace is War and Lies are truth. ALL THEY DO IS LIE I would believe anyone before I would believe anyone connected to them.

[KoKo]

58. Agree, I didn't think Powell would just come out an deny it...I expected

he would leave it open with some "wiggle room" since Woodward said he wasn't in the loop at the beginning. But, in his denial that there's truth to Woodward's accusations in his book, he looked like he was caving into the Chimp.

But, I gave up on him when he presented all that trumped up stuff to the UN about Chemical/Biological/Nuclear/WMD that Saddam had. He had a ways to go to rehabilitate himself in my eyes. :-(

[0007]

60. Now the lady agrees

[KoKo]

64. Go have a nice cup of hot chocolate. Sooths the nerves. And we all are

freaking out over all this. Now if you come back and tell me I'm a Freep for suggesting you need to have something soothing because you are stalking one of your fellow "old time" DU'ers and calling her names, then I'm going to hit that alert button again on you.

Nicey Nice is wearing thin on me here, buddy.

[0007]

67. You still haven't answed my post about Colin sweetie pie.

I haven't call you a name have I?

[rustydog]

63. All the bush Administration has to do is insist that Woodward

play the taped interviews for the public.
Woodward taped the interviews with permission of the participants. Including Bush.

Just insist that the tapes of the interview be played.
We'll see who is lying.

[KoKo]

65. I didn't hear about him having tapes of Powell. Did he say that last

night? If he has Powell taped then he's got him. But, Powell didn't look like he was worried in that interview. I hope he has tapes of it and that he releases them to make them all look like idiots. :nuke:

[0007]

66. Lot of things that went over your coconut