Optical scan uses paper ballots - recount FL

[LTRS]

Flordia ballots show huge (and I mean HUGE) numbers of DEMS supposedly voting for Bush in very Dem counties. That is indicative of wholesale theft of this election! My partner spent hours crunching numbers last night and there is no doubt - they stole FL and they probably stole Ohio as well. Trust me, we are NOT the conspiracy theorist types, and even on Wed I posting here saying "take off the tin foil hat" to people who automatically assumed it was stolen.

But it was. It really was. Check here.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

It's just not possible that 40 and 50% of registered dems voted for Bush, but ONLY in optical scan counties.

I don't know how to post a spreadsheet here, but here is a summary of how they did Florida:

Summary

-- In 13 of 15 touchscreen voting counties in Florida, Dems gained over what would be expected looking at just registration percentages –more than just Dems voted for Kerry in these counties

-- But in only 7 of 52 optical scanner voting counties (15%), Dems gained over what would be expected looking at registration percentages - this seems a little odd

-- In the touchscreen counties, the average gain was 8% over what you would expect based on Dem registration, including all 15 counties

--In the optical scanner counties, the average loss was 16.6% under what you would expect based on dem registration, including all 52 counties

-- If you apply the 8% average plus the expectations based on registration that was seen in the touchscreen counties to the optical scanner counties where we saw losses in the Dem column, it's a total of 281,143.

If you add this number to Kerry’s total, and subtract this number from Bush’s…

Method
Bush Votes
Kerry Votes

Subtotal
Touchscreen
1,845,876
1,982,210

Subtotal
Op-Scan-Precinct
1,950,213
1,445,675

Adjustment

-281,143
+281,143

Corrected Subtotal
Op-Scan-Precinct
1,668,730
1,727,158

Corrected Total
All Methods
3,514,606 - Bush
3,709,368 - Kerry

And guess what, when you correct, it matches the exit polls!

If we could get the paper ballots rescanned in Florida with machines that had been actually checked to make sure they was no fraud going on, you would see that Kerry very likely won this election.

[batchdem04]

1. We could find out real quick

if we took a poll of the registered Dems in one of the counties....If the majority said they voted for Kerry then we know somethings amiss...

[dweller]

17. choose Liberty county

only about 3k registered voters Dem & Rep there.

dp

[LuCifer]

2. OH and FL freakin REEK

This is crap, we must MUST fight this tooth and nail.

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[LTRS]

3. Apparently the paper trail means nothing

These are optical scan ballots but the machines that read them were obviously fixed for Bush. Paper trail doesn't help if the machines are fixed to read them incorrectly.

[jdj]

5. the paper ballots are read electronically.

this is the first civil rights movement of the new millineum.

[LTRS]

6. Right, so if you rescan them on clean machines

I should tell a whole different story based on this analysis.

[jdj]

9. that would rock.

unless they disappear them.

[LTRS]

13. Yeah, it would rock if we could get enough

people to be loud enough to make it happen.

[MsFlorida]

4. I'm a florida county - optical scanner

Was little concerned because it spit my ballot back out at me, took about 3 tries for it to go through. Early voting at one location wiht the line going around and around the building. If you were a * fan, you better not say, we were a Kerry crowd -- I stood in line for 3 hours. Also volunteered, along with many other of my friends -- there is no way -- this state went for *. We were there and I know if you talk to everyone else that was there too, we all know in our heart this state did not go red

[LTRS]

7. After looking at the data, I am SURE you are right

Now how do we get people to do something about it? How about if we all start a thread that says, rescan Florida? Will that get everyone's attention here?

Geez, this is so frustrating. If you analyze the data, it is as clear as the nose on your face.

Edit for spelling

[TexasChick]

16. LTRS, how 'bout this: we start a new thread that says Recount FL and it

includes all the major newspapers there with contacts and the major media contacts. Would that be a start? I think just hounding the newspaper outlets there would help.

[LTRS]

18. Yes, yes, yes.... can a well know poster please do this???

[TexasChick]

20. LTRS, how come you can't start the thread? I would, but do you mean

somebody like Skinner? See if you can compile a list of everything, the contacts, etc. and then start the thread. What's the matter? I guess I don't know what you mean by "well known poster"? :shrug:

[LTRS]

21. Well I have been trying....

But maybe because I have only been posting a few weeks no one is paying attention. I can't say I blame them, but this is important.

[TexasChick]

23. Do it anyway. Make the title of the thread catchy somehow! It won't hurt!

[LTRS]

24. This thread is like my 20th try with different header

What would be catchy enough? Or do people just not care enough?

[TexasChick]

26. LTRS, maybe people just feel that it's hopeless. I don't really know

anymore myself. :(

[Oilwellian]

8. What Florida County did you vote in?

It would be interesting to compare what you stood in line and observed, as opposed to the official numbers Florida is posting.

[dweller]

10. i'm no mathematician

but stuff like this:
County Liberty
voting machine type- Op-Scan
Percent change
Rep
712.3%
Dem
-59.9%
ACTUAL RESULTS
REP
1,927
Dem
1,070
Total
3,021
REGISTERED
% Rep
7.9%
%Dem
88.3%
Total Registered
4,075
EXPECTED_VOTES
Rep
237
Dem
2,667
Turnout
74.1%

just kind of jump out at me.


dp

[LTRS]

11. Yes, they do jump out at you - we need to make them

jump out at the media.

[LTRS]

12. Are we all hopeless and helpless?

There should be one long thread at the top of every forum here declaring that we will get this Florida issue looked into. 50K DU subscribers can make it happen, yet we can't even mobilize the people here.

If we can't convince the people here, we can't convince anyone.

I am the LAST person to jump on the tin foil hat brigade usually, but I am convinced if we rescanned these optical scan ballots in Florida on clean machines it would show Kerry won.

So frustrating!

[Oilwellian]

14. I trust...

as Bev Harris has noted, the lawyers and other groups are working on it as we speak.

[LTRS]

15. Well, we lose then!

Bev Harris is ONE person, and if we all just think she can do something about it on her own you will see, as we HAVE seen for the 3 yrs she has been working on it, nothing will change.

The politicians I have talked to about this think she is a space case. She's not, but something isn't working about the way she is making her case. Or maybe, and more likely, WE are not helping her by rising up and mobilizing on this issue.

And sadly, we pay for it with 4 more years of Bush.

[dweller]

19. LTRS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2602324#2604449?az=view_all&address=104x2602324


take your info to Bev Harris, she's online now with above thread.


dp

[LTRS]

22. Okay, I did it - thanks

Let's hope something happens. I have been at this for 3 hrs here, trying to keep this kicked, and not having a ton of luck. Maybe posting to that thread will help. I have to get to work now.

[dweller]

25. I'm kicking where ever

i see the post, or those like them.

dp

[TexasChick]

27. LTRS, look at this thread! It's looking very promising...could lead to a

possible impeachment of Bush if enough evidence is uncovered. It's Bev Harris' info, but other attorneys (supposedly the ones from the legal teams) are helping her:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2607420