We really need an organization of Dem Professionals and Tradespeople.

[Zorra]

If someone, right now, began an organization of Democratic Professionals, such as doctors, pharmacists;), lawyers, dentists, accountants, etc. and advertised themselves as Democrats, then we could all patronize these folks rather than give our money to Bu$h supporting fascists and fundamentalist zombies.

The same could hold true for the trades.

If we support ourselves and only ourselves, the last beacon of freedom in America, we can take away the power of the mega corporations that have put Bu$h and the republicans in office with their media control propaganda and their voting machines.

Think about it: Do you trust a republican to fill your prescription?

Do you trust a republican not to screw you in court?

Do you trust a republican to take out your appendix?

Republicans voted for Bu$h. That proves that they are not too bright.
They also might deliberately hurt you if they know you are a Democrat.

I think an organization of Democratic Professionals and Democratic Tradespersons that advertised would be overwhelmed by business from Democrats and other fascist despising, freedom loving people.

And if there is already organizations like this, I'd love to know, because I don't want to ever give a single penny to the people that destroyed my country.

[audibledevil]

1. There is one

www.democraticgain.org

Its like a union and trade group of Dem professionals.

[Zorra]

3. Thank you, but isn't that an organization for political training?

That's not what I had in mind.

[Malva Zebrina]

2. change or revolution if you wish

will come first with the proles or the not so well educated angry people with commone sense. The intellectuals come later to define it.

[Dora]

4. But is this as true as it once was?

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I think that Western culture has changed enough now since the last "revolution" that your theory of the proles rising up may not be entirely accurate. I'm no historian, and I'm the first to say that I'm all about speculation and assertion. So take this with the fistful of salt it deserves.

I think that over the past 30-odd years American proles have been anesthetized by consumerism and television, and they have no interest in a united rebellion because they cannot see how oppressed they are. I think that relying on them and the "not so well educated angry people with common sense" is going to bring us nothing but a long wait. The sociological demographics just aren't the same any more. We have poor people who don't know they're poor. We have rich people who are convinced they're on the edge of homelessness. We have idiots with JDs, PhDs, EdDs, and MBAs. We have high school dropouts who know and understand more about human nature and behavior than your average college graduate could ever cram onto a cribsheet.

I have an MFA in Writing. Does that make me an intellectual? To some, yes it does. To those in the academy, it means I'm an idiot. I think I have common sense, but then something comes along that I get wrong, WAY wrong, and I am stunned at my own ignorance.

In deference to your post, I do see that we're having a massive class war in this country. And I don't give a rats ass about intellectuals: Intellectualism is as intellectualism does, I say, and RIP.

Vive la revolucion!

(on rereading, I can see that I'm coming off as a windbag. Sorry for ranting on this thread.)

[Malva Zebrina]

6. I do see your points but I still believe that resistance comes first from

the ranks only to be reinforced later by intellectuals. It seems to be the way of revolution, if there is to be one at all.

[Zorra]

5. Huh? I'm talking about stopping fascism, not expounding Marxist drivel.

FYI: The only thing I hate worse than communism is fascism.

Basic captalist principle:

I trade with you because you offer me a good product at a fair price, will treat me honestly, and will help me make my family, my community, my nation, and my people stronger, prosperous, and more free.

Bu$h is senselessly and chaotically destroying America in every way.

Creating a semi-alternative economy which does not support this madman is the only way we can stop him from destroying America.

[Malva Zebrina]

7. I have no idea what you are talking about

and I am not a Marxist as far as I know. Just take a look at history, that is all. It is NOT intellectuals who begin or implement in it's visible or it's initial form, a revolution or a dissent by the people. It is the common man enraged, and then it is followed by intellectuals.

[shimmergal]

8. I don't think Zorra's point is about revolution,

just that it would be helpful to have some sort of list or resource to use to find professionals and tradespeople who are Democrats or progressives, and use _their_ services rather than Republicans' whenever possible.

I'd love to see this happen!

[Zorra]

9. Yes, thank you, that is exactly what I mean. This is where we can focus

our political energies for now.

If we support each other economically, we can all prosper. I have seen this happen numerous times with ethnic and religious groups. Jewish people, Chinese people, Mormons, etc.

Because it works. It really does. We need to spread the word.

If we do this as a political and community entity, we will take the money that supports the republican political and economic machine, and put it into our own political and economic machine.

And we will all prosper, and regain our democracy while we are doing it.

It can actually be a lot of fun, too.

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