There is a Gender based Caste system in the US and other places even today

[ck4829]

It may be hard to believe, but many parts in the world still follow a caste system. And, one of these places is the US, and the Christian Right wants to make this caste system even stronger.

The caste system works like this.

Men
|
Women

It's that plain and simple.

It explains everything.

It's why things like cross-dressing and other things are so bad to people in the Christian Right. When leaders say it's bad they are really saying "Men want to degrade themselves down to women" or "That woman is trying to get out of her caste! How evil!"

It's why women don't get as much money as men, they are on a lower caste level.

It's why people like Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell say women are inferior, because women are on a lower caste level. It's also why people in the Christian Right are so opposed to Feminist groups, because they try to bring women out of their low caste level.

It's why abortion is bad. If men still had the role of Bread Maker/Warrior, but they were the ones who had babies, it was just women who impregnated them (a biological impossibility), men could still have an abortion and be regarded as moral. And, there have been numerous instances where a man got a woman pregnant, and then ordered and paid for her abortion, and even after that the man was regarded to be morally pure.

Let us all eliminate this caste system that should not exist in a Democracy.

[Maple]

1. Women can wear pants

but men can't wear skirts.

It's a 'step up' for women, but seen as a 'step down' for men.

[hlthe2b]

2. Gee, don't tell that to our Scottish clans!

[Maple]

6. They are well aware

that men in 'skirts' get teased, and their manhood questioned.

[Warpy]

7. Kilts

are gaining a bit more acceptance. There's even a formal "men in skirts" movement for men who prefer the kilt.

Chinese traditional dress had men wearing robes and women wearing pants.

Please don't try to tell us how horribly disadvantaged men are because they can't wear gowns and heels to the office. After all, if the stupidity and destructive nature of patriarchy and the enforcement of rigid gender roles weren't in place, perhaps you could.

[Maple]

8. In Canada

men in kilts are a normal thing. I was speaking of the US.

All the men in the Bible wore robes. So does the Pope, so do judges.

So did Julius Caesar, Plato, Socrates and so on.

The fact remains that a man wearing a skirt to the office would be seen as odd, and 'less than a man.'

It's only a piece of clothing, sometimes convenient,sometimes inconvenient, but it has been added to the things that mark out a woman as 'inferior'. So for a man to wear one, it's a 'step down.'

[knowbody0]

3. if you went into a coma in 1999

and woke up in 2005, you'd believe you were still in a coma

[AliciaKeyedUp]

4. You really don't understand religious people do you

I was raised in the kind of family that feels the way you are talking about. They feel that way because it is the tradition they are raised in. They value the tradition and the beliefs and oppose change.

[Hippo_Tron]

17. Tradition tht involves women being inferior should be broken

There is no reason that women should be regarder as inferior, even if the bible says so.

[Cleita]

5. No kidding.

And the worst part is the women who are being segregated in those groups for the most part enable this double standard (old-fashioned, pre-feminist days' word).

One of my quests back in the days when I traveled and worked in red states, where men actually thought women belonged in the kitchen and should shut up unless spoken to, was trying to point out all the inequalities to the women who were putting up with this.

Of course I was considered one of those immoral, godless California harlots.:) One of the prince charmings even asked my husband to shut me up because I was giving his wife ideas. My husband told him he rather walk into a saw at the mill as tell me what to do.

When the scales finally fall from these brainwashed Steppford wives, many of them do get a divorce to get out of these abusive situations. At least women still have that option in these places. Wait until they try to ban divorce, women might as well throw a black sheet over themselves and call it quits.

[KnowerOfLogic]

11. Yes, women have always been at least 40% of the problem;

It's not a question of men vs. women; it's really a question of progressive vs. regressive, of liberal egalitarianism vs. conservative authoritarianism. As early as the 1800's in America when the women's rights movement was just getting started, there were plenty of women denouncing it and claiming it had "gone too far." The wife of General Sherman wrote a letter to Congress asking that woman suffrage not be "forced on" America. And in one of Susan B. Anthony's last speeches at the annual National Woman Suffrage convention(around 1900, i think), after a lifetime of fighting for women's rights, she complained bitterly about the younger women who were coming along and had no clue of how much had been gained and how hard it was, and they dismissed the women's rights movement, saying they "had all the right's they needed."

[bumblebee1]

12. Enabling

A couple of years ago, I was at the wedding of one of my husband's cousins. Her family is born again. As the ceremony was ending, I was tempted to ask the cousin how it felt that her church told her that she is no better than a dog to her husband. Obedience is for dogs, not for people. Damn, I hate the word obedience.

[fnottr]

16. Seriously

Sometimes I think I'm the only guy that's not at all attracted to the 'barefoot in the kitchen' stereotype of a woman.

[JanMichael]

9. Yep. As well as an Ethnic Caste system.

But shhhhh, you're not allowed to bring these pretty obvious injustices up, go back to sleep, everything is fine here in Amerika:-)

[Maple]

10. Color caste

Ethnic caste definitely exist.

I'm curious to see which one will prove to be stronger. Will a white woman or a black man make president first?

[Arianrhod]

13. IMO, a black man. n/t

[bumblebee1]

14. President??

I'm willing to bet on the black man becoming President before a white woman will. A lot of people (men & women) in the U.S. are very misogonystic. The vitriol from the RW towards both Hillary Clinton and Teresa Heinz Kerry should have been the first clue about misogony.
Americans will say they like an intelligent woman. But let one come into the public eye, these men and their women will be the first ones to tear her down. Americans are more comfortqble with a smiling, say nothing Stepford wife like Laura Bush.

[Arianrhod]

15. I have raised my children not to accept this caste system.

They treat everyone as equals, embracing homosexuality, transgenderism and feminism as natural and normal--which they are, of course. I have spent a decade working in the feminist movement myself. I think that clothing restrictions are a ludicrous waste of spiritual energy. There is no moral value in a piece of cloth, and the sooner our society quits obsessing over fabric and style, the sooner we'll be able to produce a genuine equality among the sexes and orientations.

[readmoreoften]

18. good

we need more parents like yourself, Arian

[Arianrhod]

19. I'm trying to raise a few. haha nt