The enemy of my enemy is my friend

[DS1]

I'm not looking to start a flamewar here, but I've noticed a trend on DU.

Whenever a right-wing pundit says anything remotely "democratic", or one could say "logical", this place seems to erupt in pro-Scarborough/Drudge/Matthews hysteria! These three are just recent examples, we have Scarborough the intern killer, Drudge the Lucianne suckup, and Matthews aka Tweety McFleischer. Do you really think these people have our interests in mind when they question Bush in one show out of 50?

These people are not our friends, they might toss a cookie our way and say "Here you go, left-wingers, now you can't call me a Republican Zealot because I questioned a single policy of the Bush Administration", and DU eats it up like it was the last food on earth.

This isn't healthy, nor is it productive, because DU and the democratic party ends up spreading its' chips around on the betting table. Because that's what I think this entire situation is. We are gambling over what the American voters will believe, and we should consider the game fixed and not give any of these people credit, no matter how brief.

Whenever a right-wing pundit suddenly leans left, we should take it as a right-wing pundit leaning left and trying to play us like a bunch of chumps.

Don't fall for it.

That's all I have to say about that. Would you like a chocolate?

[Birthmark]

1. Too right.

The enemy of my enemy is probably just someone I'll have to trash later.

[DS1]

3. Thank you

after 30 reads, I was beginning to think I was the only one.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Well put! I could hurl every time I hear a DU'er say Buchanan

is any kind of asset!

[DS1]

4. and of course,

thank you, NSMA, GMTA.

[Liberator_Rev]

5. Absolutely !

That was part of the Pope's rationale for playing ball with Hitler, because Hitler was supposedly the world's greatest anti-Communist. Bad move !!!!

[redeye]

6. Well said

The rationale you're describing is what gave us Bin Laden and Saddam.

[DS1]

8. Exactly eom

[Exultant Democracy]

23. true

it was poor logic then and it is poor logic now. Look at the mess we made trying to get rid of the Taliban by helping the local war lords. We have the ability to take down the Chimp alone we don't need to comprimise ourselves by joining ranks with all the Whores at FAUX etc... Once this story gets real big and they all jump on the bandwagon we need to make sure to ask all of the whores why they never said boo about it before even though we have known about the whole mess for months.

[JanMichael]

7. I've always hated that saying.

It's absolves people of integrity.

It's ok to enjoy one group bitch slapping your enemy but that certainly doen't make them your friend.

The Buchanon and McCain BS is exactly that.

[Room101]

9. Right on the money!!

I have been saying this for a long time, they are teasing us!

[TahitiNut]

10. There's another saying.

"Even a blind chipmunk turns up an acorn once in awhile."

In the case of Scarborough et al., it's a "blind, rabid, syphilitic chipmunk." :silly:

Look, it's really not about the "who," it's about the "what." This constant focus on who's "bad" and who's "good" and who's "coming around" is really just ad hominism on steroids. If we cannot focus on the values, principles, and issues, we're lost as a democracy. I eschew this obsessive division of the world into "evil-doers" and "good guys," no matter who does it.

[DS1]

11. a different way of looking at it, and no less valid

it's a matter of the die-hard straying to the other side for a split-second, and the other side thinking it's a windfall of logic and reason.

It's not, my message was to not be so naive as an organization. Chris Matthews can call himself a democrat just as much as Ann Coulter can, it means nothing if they don't have the history to back it up. Neither do. Neither will their offspring, the Savages, the Scarboroughs, the O'Reillys.

[DaneUSA]

12. enemies

Bonding with someone based on "hatred" for someone else is a bad policy. The enemy of my enemy will stab me in the back when our mutual enemy is gone.

[salin]

21. agreed - one can appreciate the momentary assist

one might receive from an unexpected temporary ally (but general advesary) without hugging, kissing and turning one's back so one is not completely aware of his/her actions.

Larry Klayman (sp) comes to mind. Sure am glad he is pushing some of the Cheney lawsuits. Glad he spoke with Moyers. Still don't trust him - have to always watch him.

[sandnsea]

13. Yes and no

On the one hand, it's important not to hang too much weight on a one-time comment by an otherwise rabid rightie. On the other, it's important to state the facts, Buchanan has been consistent against this war and other things in this Administration. That's helpful. Matthews was consistent against this war and then fell into the "don't criticize while the troops are in danger" mode. He may well be coming out of that again, I don't know. If he is, again, that's helpful. Nothing you want to bet the farm on, we can't let up on our emails and phone calls, but it is helpful.

What's more annoying to me is the voter who doesn't understand that when they vote for a Republican, for the most part, they're getting the Republican agenda. Doesn't matter what he/she stands for personally, once they get to D.C. it'll be the Tom Delay agenda all the way. That's the way they work. I hate this "I'm an Independent" crap. Pick a side already. You can damn well bet the Republicans have.

[DS1]

15. I disagree

Comments that are in our favor are like political donations to the Dems from Ken Lay. He did donate a small amount to the dems, but it was peanuts compared to what he did for Bush. Just like people here argue with me about Jay Leno being a big supporter of Cali Dems, but it's peanuts compares to what he both makes financially, and does politically with his show.

[baffie]

14. NObody is all bad or all good

When a neocon or a conservative does something good, it's right to praise them

[salin]

20. but I haven't seen too many examples

of it happening. It is possible, certainly, but can't think of many examples.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. When a hateful bigot does something good, it is in order to appear

reasonable and palletable.

[Dr_Greenthumb]

16. Too true!

St. Reagan is the saint of enemies past.

[Kenneth ken]

17. Yes, please!

mmmm - chocolate!


ps - you're right about the enemy of my enemy thing.

I think it is the anonymity of the board; a kind of one-upsmanship in who can seem to be most joyous and get noticed; and perhaps youth.
Young people get excited easier than I do. I've recently been thinking it would be useful to have ages posted beside Userids, because I know youngun's get much more excited about movies that are (at best) marginally viewable, than I do, as one for instance. But I know that sort of thing would cause problems.

but don't forget you offered me chocolate. :bounce:

[WilliamPitt]

18. Amen n/t

[QC]

19. Who is more likely to influence conservatives?

Buchanan or Nader? Joe Scarbrough or Barney Frank?

I'm not going to embrace Buchanan or Scarbrough, but I want as many people as possible to badmouth Bush, and if conservatives abandon the Boy King, he's finished.