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[quilp]

1. It sure does. It's the coverup stupid!

The WH defense boils down to: "We all knew the uranium charge was a lie, but Tenet gave Bush permission to tell the lie". After Clinton there is no way the Repubs can get away with this. I'm just amazed at the media's tenacity over this matter. I guess they are getting scared about these guys too.

[kayell]

2. Exactly my thoughts

Tenant has not saved * at all, just very slyly turned up the heat a notch.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:xw8lbI8EqpsC:

[kentuck]

3. This phrase caught my attention the first time I read it, also...

"Some of the language was changed."

Why was it changed? They wanted to make it acceptable propaganda without telling an outright lie? But they wanted it to be in the speech in order to convince the majority of American people that indeed there was an "imminent threat" from Iraq. It did not change the fact that it was a lie. It only changed the way it was presented by Bush in his SOTU speech. Very, very scary.

[Jackpine Radical]

4. Good analysis.

It may be worth your while to forward these segments of Tenet's speech and your observations to some of the press who are not up to reaching such conclusions for themselves.

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[soupkitchen]

5. Well, if Bush isn't lying he's incompetent.

Basically, Tenet is saying that these "rumors" of an Iraqi-Arica-uranmium are circulating all over the higher levels of goverment, but that Bush, nor any of his important advisors, hasn't heard about them (and their dubiuous credibility) until the CIA erroneously allows the claim into his sotu speech.
Actually, I'd feel better if I only thought he was lying.
But then we have 9/11 to always remind us of his total incompentece.

[monarch]

6. I completely agree with you, Pete!

In fact I was posting similar sentiments on another thread that parsed the SOTU statement at the time you made your post. (My lack of keyboarding skills makes posting a time-consuming ordeal)

[enough]

7. You are so right, Pete

"From what we know now, agency officials in the end concurred that the text in the speech was factually correct — i.e. that the British government report said that Iraq sought uranium from Africa."

The knife has gone in so smoothly that they didn't even feel it. The word "concurred" there is cagey. It indicates that someone was arguing that, if phrased this way referring to the British report, the text was technically correct, even though every knew that it conveyed false information.

He is blaming himself for doing what they wanted him to do, and thus pointing straight at them for wanting to do it.


This whole thing was laid out in a CBS report last Thursday:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030711/ts_nm/iraq_usa_weapons_dc_6

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"White House officials argued that since a paper issued by the British government contained the assertion, if it was attributed to Britain it would be factually accurate, CBS said. CIA officials dropped their objections, CBS said."
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[hedda_foil]

8. Please note especially ....

This sentence:

"In September and October 2002 before Senate Committees, senior intelligence officials in response to questions told members of Congress that we differed with the British dossier on the reliability of the uranium reporting."

The Senate Intelligence, Foreign Relations and Armed Services Committees had this information, which is why the senior non-DLC Democrats on those committees felt secure in voting AGAINST the resolution. Graham, Durbin, Byrd, Kennedy and 19 others voted NO. The entire DLC wing voted for the resolution, though most if not all of them understood that there was no imminent danger.

The whole story of the Senate being scared into their vote is a lie. Most of this stuff came out in open testimony, for God's sake.

[Eloriel]

11. Thank you, Hedda

I have always maintained that those who voted FOR the war had ample opportunity to know better, and that it was their responsibility to know better.

I don't know how any of them can sleep after what we did to Iraq and Iraqis. I don't know how any of them could have contemplated the realities of an unprovoked WAR on a sovereign nation -- the death, the destruction, the DU -- and vote for that resolution.

IMO not a single one who did deserve office of any kind, whether they let themselves be led down some primrose path by an administration they SURELY knew was untrustworthy, or whether they were voting for the war out of pure political calculation (which far too many of them obviously were).

I will never forgive those who do not completely repudiate their votes and apologize. And I for darned sure can't vote for them.

Eloriel

[Az]

9. The Art of War

Its a little book written thousands of years ago by a Chinese gentleman by the name of Sun Tzu (tzu being an honorary title). It perhaps would be better named the Art of Conflict as it is applicable to any sort of conflict and not just armed.

It is a worthwhile read for any with an eye on politics. It will help teach where to apply pressure and where to avoid a battle. One of the key concepts in its teachings is to always fight your battles on your own ground of death. That is draw the battle to your own ground. The Bushies specialize in this.

When George appears in public they make certain no critics are allowed near him. This is because appearances in public are George's weak spot. He is thin skinned. Slow on his feet. Incapable of adapting to the situation. Thus they maintain the Freespeech zones far away from Bush. He is never drawn into the oppoisitions prefered territory.

The BFEE also maintains a high rate of attack. This way they control the battle. Because our side is constantly on defensive we cannot control him. They control us. While we try to focus our forces on the most recent attack they counter with an attack on another front. Constantly responding to these attacks saps our ability to deal with any of them.

BFEE has made a mistake. He was forced on the defensive. We forced the response. We have to keep the attack up. We need to draw George into our ground. We need to force him to explain. We need to drag him off script.

[Loki]

10. We will hang a star in the book of liars

by his name. (compliments of Steely Dan)