Deja Q
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:20 PM
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Today I realized; nationalities should all be abandoned |
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There's this cool co-worker but I didn't realize until today how pro-Israel she is. (I'm pro-comprimise-for-all-of-them in belief).
When it isn't religion, it's nationality that keeps people hating each other.
Kill religion. Make us all one.
Kill nationalities. Make us all one.
Then we can deal with corporate abuse, another of my pet peeves.
Well? Is this idea too radical or what?
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:24 PM
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1. Nation are only part of the problem, |
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People always want to belong to/ identify with some group. Nations are just artificial boundaries within which there can be great differences among the people, languages, culture, etc. Corporations control most everything now, and are increasing. I think we are nearing the point at which people identify themselves with a corporation as much as with a nation. Yes, kill nationalities, but more importantly, educate people about the natural urge to belong and to identify with a group, and help people think more internationally and interdependently.
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:34 PM
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people these days think they are so advanced and civilised but the nature of man never changes. we will always be a tribal species
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:31 PM
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2. something stinks to high heaven |
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why are we at each others throats in this country , the right is agaist the left more so today then any other time in history , ya don't even no when to open your mouths any more about how this country is doing and where we are heading , there is alway someone in the crowd you mite make mad , all i ever wanted to live out my life in peace and raise my family and try to get along with my neightbors , this is a big problem anymore , yes something needs to be done to make america wake up and pull together as one again , why is it death that will always bring a family together , it should be love and wanting to do this with out a reason , jr. and his crowd have made more people agaist each other in this nation then any other time i cam rember in my life here on earth
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:33 PM
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3. And we'll all wear the same clothes and the same color hair. |
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And the ones who are too fast will carry weights.
Then we'll all be alike.
And we'll kill for other reasons but they'll still be the same ones.
As the comedian George Wallace says: "Take Ireland. It just goes to show that when there are no Jews, blacks, or Indians, people will improvise."
Then read Swift's essay on the hatred between the people who broke their eggs on the big end and the people who broke their eggs on the little end.
Back to the drawing board, sweetie.
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Brucey
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:37 PM
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6. Funny stuff, have you read |
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Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut? Sounds similar to what you were describing. (Short story in Welcome to the Monkeyhouse)
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:34 PM
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john lennon brought this issue up once before.
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:40 PM
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7. You Are Ahead Of Your Time |
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But we are evolving... together.
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:47 PM
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just like it was in High School. The best looking, the football team, the cheerleaders against all the ugly dorks and nerds. It's just the way mankind is and it will never change. I do believe that most of the problems of the world are over religion - not the moderate religious people, the true believers, but the zealots in all religions. Sometimes I think religion either makes you very peaceful and happy, or it screws up your mind to the point where you just can't think straight. No cure for that.
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:41 PM
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8. Yes that's what globalization means |
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People will always have a circle of friends...but in future it will involve people around the globe with similar interests.
It won't depend on invisible lines on a map, artificial 'nation-states', skin color or mythology.
Tribes have always gotten bigger...this is just another step.
A step some people are incapable of making btw...so expect a fight.
But in the end...one world, one race.
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:52 PM
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12. and here's me thinking globalization was |
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about cheaper labour costs. :think:
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:53 PM
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15. That's your old '60's mindset' again |
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:56 PM
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Wed Sep-10-03 09:00 PM
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I know people born in the 80's who act like they lived thru the thirties Depression.
It's attitude...not a date.
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Wed Sep-10-03 09:03 PM
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22. at least i dont believe my own lies |
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we all know free trade is about bringing "liberty" to the the child labourer
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:53 PM
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Globalization does not mean internationalism. Mega-corporations have set the rules and are grabbing everything, even the water supplies of rural areas. Globablization defined as getting along and working together would be great. But that is not what we have or what is on the horizon. Massive international corporations have their tentacles everywhere and are harming mostly poor people around the world. Shell oil company selects who will run the governments in the middle east, hires the police force, then kills or intimidates anyone who questions them or challenges them - that's contemporary globalization!
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:46 PM
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9. It ain't nationalities. It's economics, haves vs have-nots |
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When one group tries to hog it all based on some in-group characteristic, whether it's skin color or religion or language or Masonic membership or 'high' birth --- war follows.
It's not an accident that people willing to share fairly have no problems except from those who aren't.
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:52 PM
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13. It isn't economics and 'sharing toys' either |
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anymore than it was when tribes were 20 people and worried about the big bad group over the hill.
Mostly it's getting rid of old ideas, and having a larger vision or worldview.
Bigger IS better.
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Thu Sep-11-03 06:24 AM
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25. Sure. Whatever you say. |
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:50 PM
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11. Kill nationalities and all your left with is corporations |
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I'd rather folks be divided by nationality that the corporation they "support".
Remember that nations can be democracies while corporations cannot.
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:55 PM
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16. corporations can be democracies |
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Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 08:56 PM by friendofbenn
its just that they arent at the moment
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:55 PM
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17. I realize this will come as a tremendous shock to you |
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but corporations are not Satan...nor are they the only things that exist in the world other than yourself.
Billions function every day without ever once having anything to do with corporations.
Bury the 60's crap...it's soooooo last century.
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Thu Sep-11-03 06:33 AM
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Welcome our new corporate masters! :eyes:
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:58 PM
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Maple
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Wed Sep-10-03 08:59 PM
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20. Why is everyone on here so brainwashed |
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about corporations??
Goodness, you'd think they were important in the global scheme of things!
I'm sorry, but they're not.
For heaven's sake move on from this old Cold War rhetoric...socialism vs capitalism crap.
It's just a business, made up of people.
Not the devil.
The world has lots of things in it...only one of 'em involves corporations.
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Wed Sep-10-03 09:10 PM
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Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 09:14 PM by sushi
but you can't legislate it. I think one way is for people to choose their partners from other countries. Then we "become united" without trying to do so, but this takes time. Children can hardly hate each other when dad is from one country, mum from another, and uncle marries a lady from yet another country, etc.
Actually, the European Community is already doing it, but it's just in the beginning stages, and Britain hasn't joined yet. I hope it does soon and adopt the Euro. The Brits are so reserved.
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Wed Sep-10-03 09:22 PM
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24. there are economic issues with the euro |
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i think most people here would like localised control of the economy. i certainly would. although i'm still undecided due to the internationalising aspect of the e.u
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