"As usual, the Americans, with their love of weapons, shoot w/o checking"

[Bluebear]

"As usual, the Americans, with their love of weapons, shoot without checking," said Alessandro Miglirucci, a computer seller, who said he has many relatives in the United States. "I think this will make Italians even more against America."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/krwashbureau/20050305/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_usiraq_italy_wa_1

Hoo hah, this will get the morans going. 'NO more spaghetti in our patriotic home! Boycott Chef Boy-ar-dee!'

Pizza will be "Savory Freedom Pie" at the Congressional cafeteria.

Perception is reality; whether Miglirucci speaks fairly or not, does world opinion of the US not matter at ALL anymore to the right?

[Canuckistanian]

1. Would you like Liberty or Freedom dressing on your salad?

We don't say Italian or French anymore.

[jdj]

2. oh, you foolish, foolish boy.

you assume they didn't know what they were doing?

in this day and age, that's actually flattering.

[Kerrytravelers]

3. Hi Bluebear!

The "right" cres for nothing excapt lining their own pockets. If a foreign nation helps them do that, they love 'em. If not, screw 'em all to hell.

What a "leader" we have. :eyes:

[Bluebear]

6. Hi KT!

Were we not once the proud beacon of light to the world? :(

[FightingIrish]

4. The Italians ae outraged

I have been reading posts on the La Repubblica forum on the the Sgrena-Calipari incident. The sentiments against the U.S. are almost frightening. This tragedy, intended or unintended, has opened up a lot of old wounds and has Italians questioning everything fom their troop commitment in Iraq to the U.S. bases in their country. Some are comparing Bush-Berlusconi to Hitler-Mussolini.

This week we are sending a group of high school students to our sister city in Italy. They will certainly face some hostility but perhaps they need to see their country through the eyes of friends who mourn the loss of what our country once was. The last group we sent to Italy was on March 19, 2003, the day the bombs began to fall.

[Career Prole]

5. Well, this should settle the argument

whether Columbus was Italian or Corsican!

[porphyrian]

7. You speak as if world opinion ever mattered to them... - n/t

[Retired AF Dem]

8. Of course the Italians never fuck up

A very interesting day in my life occurred on 28 Aug 88. Flugtag day at Ramstein AFB Ge. I was a Air force Cop working the air show. Rumors had it the Italian pilots were seen drinking within 8 hours of their performance. No idea if that is true or not. Bad regrettable shit happens all the time.


http://rocketjones.mu.nu/archives/012330.html

[Bluebear]

9. Sounds like "Well, Clinton did such and such!!!"

Do we always have to excuse mistakes and calamities by pointing out what the other side did? Do you think the way to win Italian hearts and minds is to point out how they have 'fucked up'?

And somehow, I don't know if a rumor about something you don't know about is good evidence that I would present to an Italian who is distrubed by this. Just a hunch.

[Retired AF Dem]

10. No it sounds like

Bad regrettable shit happens all the time. Just place yourself in the soldiers situtation with the knowledge that 1500 of your comrades deaths were due mostly to road side and car bombs. What would you have done if a car refuses to stop? (if that is what happened)

[Bluebear]

11. Sgrena said they were beyond checkpoints

The soldiers fired because the driver approached a checkpoint "at a high rate of speed," according to a U.S. military statement Friday.

Sgrena, however, told Italian prosecutors on Saturday that there was no checkpoint, the Italian news agency ANSA reported.

"It was not a checkpoint, but a patrol that fired after having shone a floodlight at us," she told ANSA.

Sgrena also disputed that the car was speeding.

The U.S. military did not describe the nature of what it called a checkpoint, such as whether it was marked or well lighted. An American spokesman in Baghdad said he had no further information.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/krwashbureau/20050305/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_usiraq_italy_wa_1

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And why does the military say they don't know what happened to the car or where it is located? Point being, Italy is some pissed and all you can come up with in the way of regretting the incident is to say maybe some pilot was drunk in 1988 at some air show you were at.

[Retired AF Dem]

12. Of course I regret the incident

"at some air show" 70 people were killed and over 450 injured.

[Bluebear]

14. Oh well 'bad shit happens all the time'.

Do you see how minimizing incidents by that kind of talk isn't helpful?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

15. I find this as productive as bringing up this old incident.

Monday, February 4, 1998

A U.S. military jet on a training flight over the Dolomite mountains in northeast Italy was flying too low yesterday when its tail ripped through the cable of a tram carrying 20 skiers and visitors to Mount Cermis.

The cable car plunged 600 feet killing everyone aboard including seven Germans, five Belgians, three Italians, two Poles, two Austrians and one Dutch citizen. The Marine Corps plane, an EA-6B Prowler, made an emergency landing and no one aboard was injured.
http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/dolomite.html

It's not relevant.

[Bluebear]

17. :crickets:

[FloridaPat]

13. The had cell phones. Everyone was expecting them at the airport.

They were 700 meters from the airport - half a mile amybe? And no one knew who they were??? Sure

[understandinglife]

16. AP/Yahoo: Italian Journalist Rejects U.S. Account

This one is being freep'd even more feverishly:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=2&u=/ap/20050306/ap_on_re_eu/italy_iraq_hostage

Peace.