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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:13 AM
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Let's Apply the New Bankruptcy Bill to the Federal Government
Perhaps the most onerous part of this despicable Bankruptcy Bill that is about to become law was Senator Bill Frist on TV the other day lecturing Americans about "personal responsibility", and financial responsibility. How Mr. Frist can have the nerve to lecture Americans about financial responsibility is beyond me. That's like having a drug addicted, thrice married, anal cyst chicken-hawk hate radio host lecturing Americans about morality, virtue, values and sacrifice.

If I had the personal wealth, or political connections to win a seat in the House or Senate, the first bill I would introduce would be a bill to apply the new Bankruptcy rules to the United States Government. And I wouldn't be too keen about exemptions either.

Don't ask me for a military exemption. Just as the government denied protection to our men and women in uniform who may face financial ruin because of extended deployments in Iraq, the government would not be able to come crying to the American people because they overextended themselves. If they are so financially irresponsible to abuse the full faith and credit of the United States government, then they should have to pay. Can't meet your obligations, government? Well, you should have planned better. If you want to send the military to prance all over the world spreading your unique brand of freedom, then you have to pay when the bill is due. No more deficit spending, no more reckless abuse of credit, no more debt. I just can't support someone who so recklessly abuses credit. Under my plan, you would have to cut back the number of troops, reduce their pay, eliminate costly weapons and training programs, tighten your belt, or raise more money. I'm sure if it is worth the lives of our children, it should at least be worth an extra $300 a year from Ken Lay and others.

Don't ask me for a catastrophic care exemption either. Just like that American family that works all their lives, and then through a terrible tragedy like cancer, or an automobile wreck, faces financial ruin in the form of millions of dollars in medical expenses, don't come crying to Americans or the Bankruptcy Courts for protection. If through your incompetence, we are brutally attacked again, well...you should have planned better. I have no sympathy for a government that runs up astronomical debt, abuses the full faith and credit of the United States, and then comes crying because of a natural or man-made disaster. Want financial protection? I'll tell you what you have told that American family. "You shouldn't have gotten sick, so suck it up, you have a financial responsibility to pay the bill even if it takes all your life". So government, you fail to plan, then you have to pay. We'll work something out.

I don't want to encourage gay marriage or anything like that by giving you an exemption in the case of divorce either. If you are so divorced from reality that you give away huge tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans during a time of war and debt, then that's your own irresponsibility and you need to pay. I have no problem with you cutting taxes. But if those tax cuts blow a hole in the budget, you have to make it up somewhere. I have a few proposals.

1. Every member of the Legislative and Executive branches of government would be required to take a second job. It's the American way. I will not continue to support bankruptcy abuse by people that are perfectly capable of working. Each of you would be required to take an additional job. The salary from that job would go to the government coffers. It's only fair. You made this mess, and I will not subsidize your abuse of credit any longer. You want truck drivers to work 16-hour days. You want to change the 40-hour workweek to 50 or more? Fine! Then there should be nothing wrong with you having the personal responsibility to get your financial house in order. If that means taking a second job, so be it.

2. You all have these campaign accounts with millions and millions of dollars just sitting there. We don't need to see any more advertisements telling us how fantastic you are. This money would go into the government account. If there are a few pennies left after you pay your bill, you can use it to ride the bus around your districts getting to know the people whose money you've been spending. Tar and Feathers would be tax-deductible.

3. I see no reason why someone who serves in the congress for a couple of years earns a lifetime pension. My bill would require that the money from your pension fund be used to pay your bills. My motto is; "If It's Good Enough for Enron, It's Good Enough for the USA".

4. Why are we spending all of this money on lifetime Secret Service Protection? You serve maybe 4 years as president. For that you get lifetime Secret Service protection for you and your family? Believe me that's not cheap. I wish we had the money to pay for it, but you've abused your credit. This is something that you should plan for. If you run for president, you have to know that you're only going to serve 4 or 8 years. You should have planned better for your retirement. You raise 100's of millions of dollars for your campaign; surely you could afford your own private security detail. Besides, Privatization is Good!!!

5. There seems to be a great deal of artifacts and valuable items lying around the house as well. Under my plan you would be required to hold a "sheriffs sale" for all of that stuff. Just think how much someone may pay for the Lincoln Memorial. Just like that small business owner that must liquidate all their fixtures and equipment, the same should apply to the United States Government. Every seat and desk and lamp in the Senate could be sold to the highest bidder. Unlike the votes you sell, this money would go into the treasury. I'm not quite sure what we could get for the Constitution though; you've devalued it so much over the years.

Look government. You need to pull yourself up by the "bootstraps". These poor credit card companies are entitled to having millions of Americans serving them as indentured servants. I simply propose that you apply the laws you pass to yourselves. I don't think you will support my plan though. In my plan it is the American People who are playing the role of the credit card companies, and WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK!! That would mean that you would become our indentured servants. You would serve us, and ensure our money is spent responsibly. That is what the creators of this country intended. Isn't it?



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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:17 AM
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1. "Tar and Feathers would be tax-deductible" I completely agree
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:23 AM
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2. Thanks
I just started ranting about this last night and started putting some ideas down on paper.

This bill is so disgusting to me. It's like I don't recognize my country anymore. Ans they try to tell me this is a "Christian" nation.

Wonder what Jesus said about stuff like this.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:29 AM
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12. "Wonder what Jesus said about stuff like this."
If I remember correctly... He chased the money
changers out of the Temple with a whip... or
some such.

He was silent on many things... But, usury and
greed weren't among them.

;)
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:18 PM
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20. Ain't It the Truth Prag?
I was raised a Roman Catholic, and I seem to remember that Jesus had a particular disdain for those who preyed on the poor.

I don't know if Jesus would be a Democrat if he were here today, but I sure as hell know he wouldn't be a Republican.

WWBBD "What Would Brian Boytana Do"?
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kristndem Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:34 AM
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13. Me too
I've written both Congressman Ford and Senator Frist. As well as a letter to my local paper. I posted the letter to the CA on this board a few minutes ago. I've posted it everywhere people can see it.
It's discusting and people should know!
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:27 AM
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3. This is so right on!
The way we're going, the federal government is ensuring that we become indentured servants to China and Japan.

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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:42 AM
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5. I Think This Could Be Such a Winning Issue for Dems
We've heard forever from their side that Dems are the "nanny party", or what's even more damaging, "Dems don't trust the American people". They've hammered Dems over and over and over again about these issues.

But here you have the Republicans telling Americans,
- "We don't trust you to be responsible".
- "We don't trust you to pay your debts, so we are going to make it harder for you to declare bankruptcy"
- "We trust the benevolent credit card companies, before we trust you"

It's a perfect storm, if Dems know how sail through it.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:41 AM
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4. Bravo!
You need to send this out to all of those who voted on this bill. The ones who voted yes will probably ignore it, but the ones who voted no will love it!
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:43 AM
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6. I wanted to make it a LTTE, but I think it's way too long n/t
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:43 AM
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18. Does your paper allow for guest opinions?
Our editorial page has four basic parts: the editors' opinions, the syndicated columnists' columns, the local ltte's and guest opinions. The guest opinions are about as long as the syndicated columns.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:45 AM
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7. Thanks! What a difference one letter makes!
My bill would require that the money from your pension fund be used to pay your bills.


Keep your hands off our trust fund! Social Security is not yours to spend!
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fed_gov_eye Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:20 AM
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8. FYI
The bill will ensure that we are in business for a long time!
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:24 AM
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10. And Don't Forget the Lawyers Either
They are going to make a killing.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:21 AM
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9. What I Don't Understand is
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 10:23 AM by maxrandb
the pResident just admitted that he's spending "our" Social Security money, and I don't see any pitchforks and torches.

The other thing is that we Americans are such large consumers of debt, and yet there is not one thing in this bill that addresses the problem of credit card companies lending money to people that they KNOW can't afford it.

Where in this bill is there any accountability, or anything that holds the credit card companies responsible for poor business decisions???

Where is their "personal responsibility"??
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fed_gov_eye Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:27 AM
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11. Honestly
We've been spending your Social Security money for a while now. No one complained about it before.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:06 AM
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15. Nope...your Preznit has it locked up somewhere, he says.
"We're in a tax debate here in this state and around the country. And let me explain my position as clearly as I can. First, unspent surpluses in Washington, D.C. will be spent, you mark my words, you leave money sitting around the table in Washington, Washington politicians will spend it. Now, I believe there's enough money. If you lockbox the payroll taxes, there is $2 trillion to make sure the Social Security system is safe and secure-- $2 trillion.

I intend to lockbox the payroll taxes and spend them only on what they're supposed to be spent on, and that's Social Security. And by the way... (Applause)"

George W. Shrub, New Hampshire, January, 2000
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june00/gop_stump_1-14.html


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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:29 AM
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16. Are You Serious???
This clip needs to get out there to the MSM. My god!!! They spent countless meaningless hours attacking a statement that Gore made about the internet. All in an attempt to make it appear he was a pathological liar.

We have the above from the pResident on effing tape!!! What's that I hear in the MSM??? Oh yeah, crickets chirping.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 06:00 PM
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21. It'd make pretty damning ad, I think.
Don't you?
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:52 PM
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25. Yes, but where is the ad??
Calling Dr. Dean stat!

It's sad when the Democratic Party has to rely on the actions of the AARP to get tough.

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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:43 PM
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28. I have 12 dollars! Anyone else in?

Run the clip of shrub promising older people he'd keep that 2 trillion in his little lockbox, jump right to a recent "townhall" meeting where he's telling younger people (with the same amount of down-home sincerity) that they need to bail out of SS because the guvmint's spending all that money.
Then that aggravating voice they always use in these ads asks "What happened to the two trillion dollar lockbox? Don't you have a right to know? After all, it's your money.
(Film of Dubya in any tax cut speech, smirking and stabbing the podium with his finger saying, "That's the people's money!"
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 08:45 AM
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29. Maybe That's What We Need to Do!
Spend 100K on a disgusting ad. Call the group "American Middle Class for Truth". Make it really disgusting and sensational. Show a * look alike kicking the cane out from under and octogenarian, and pushing a old retired vet in a wheelchair over a cliff. Then show a 2 trillion dollar bill with Social Security written on it. The * look alike would slowly roll up the 2 trillion dollar bill and use it to snort some white powder.

The beauty of something like this is that all we would need to do is show it on some late night public access TV station, send copies to the MSM, and voila, they show it over and over and over again. They have 24/7 discussions about whether it is accurate, over the top, etc.

Oh wait....that only works when it's a repub add like the Swift Liars, or Willie Horton.

Like I said before, "I'm not fan of Pat Buchanan, but it might just be time for pitchforks and torches". symbolically of course
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:54 AM
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19. Another Point
"And let me explain my position as clearly as I can. First, unspent surpluses in Washington, D.C. will be spent, you mark my words, you leave money sitting around the table in Washington, Washington politicians will spend it"

Jeebus, what he's doing now is spending "unspent debt". I'd love to see a little unspent surpluses around the table. Maybe if you hadn't spent it all, you effing "C" student, there would be money for OUR pension program.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:59 AM
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14. On their letterhead, right after "The Party of..."
That's about the only place they still use "personal responsibility".
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:42 AM
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17. All politicians in Washington should read this.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 06:46 PM
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22. Love it! Love it! Love it! A beautiful rant!
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:00 PM
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23. Perfect! Too late, but perfect.
I can't wait to use this on my freeper friends. The Dems should engage the Rethugs in a public dialog and let them trap themselves in their own hypocrisy.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:50 PM
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24. Yeah! Just Saw the Vote and I'm So Pi$$ed
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 07:51 PM by maxrandb
I can't see straight. These 19 Dems are either stupid, foolish, dumb, or all three.

Can't wait to see a Republican challenger in 2006 use this vote against them. And...now they allow the Republicans to go out and claim that this is bipartisan!!!

19 of them!!! My God, we really don't have a two party system anymore do we. What is the effing benefit for voting for this?

We're their constituents back home burning up the phone lines saying "Please Senator, screw me in the ass without any lube?"

This almost makes me physically sick.

I can understand maybe one or two voting for it. But 19?? It's not like it wasn't going to pass anyway. Now, they've simply reaffirmed what Ralph Nader said all along. There really is no difference.

If anyone from the DLC is reading this. Fuck You!!!

My only hope is that Governor Dean will recruit some people to run against these "ass-pickles".

If not the Democratic Party is dead!!!
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:04 PM
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26. Fantastic and nominated!
This should be the Dem's CONSTANT MANTRA every day for the next 2 years! In fact, I'd like to see bushitler PERSONALLY held responsible for the debt he incurred on this nation for taking it to war over WMD's in Iraq! Bankrupting the country and lying to the American people is surely enough to remove this menace from office!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:34 PM
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27. Kick!
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