CNN saying a dem was charged with aggravated stalking and road rage

[jdj]

for chasing down a woman with a Bush bumper sticker.

She called 9/11. Apparently he pursued her for a while.

Poor guy. But quite dedicated.

I'll look for a link

edit: link

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=12419

All hail Nathan Winkler. I bet the harpy did flip him off.

[alittlelark]

1. find one.....thanks.

[jdj]

2. found link to story

of course free republic had this up, went to original source.

Political road rage
Nathan Winkler

By:De Anna Sheffield

South Tampa, Florida - On Tuesday evening, Michelle Fernandez was driving down Armenia in South Tampa with her two children in the car, when another driver tried to run her off the road. The man had a sign over his passenger window that said 'Never forget Bush's illegal oil war murdered thousands in Iraq.'

Fernandez has a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on her car. Fernandez called police from her cell phone when the driver began yelling, blowing his horn, and following her.

Joe Durkin, Tampa Police spokesperson
"When we contacted him, his indication to the officers of why he was upset, was because he says 'the victim flipped him off, and that's why I pursued her.' But this is taking political views to an extreme."

Winkler is now charged with aggravated stalking and road rage, which carries a five year sentence

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=12419

apparently this happened tuesday night, this is the first I've heard of it, there's a photo of Winkler at the link

[alittlelark]

11. uh, yeah.....

[vpigrad]

3. CNN.com will say anything...

to promote their bias. This is yet another example.

[jdj]

4. nope this was on tv, they showed his mugshot.

still looking for link.

[Extend a Hand]

5. here's a link from CBS

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/10/national/main679334.shtml

[caledesi]

6. I live in Tampa and the story was an interesting one.

This is what happened:

While driving, man sees Bush/Cheney bumpersticker on a lady's car.
He beeps his horn.
She then gives him the finger.
Man starts chasing her down.
She accuses man of "stalking" her and calls 911.
Rest is history.

Gee, guess I won't be "keying" any Hummers any day soon. :evilgrin:

I SO want to do it, but I do believe in Karma.

[lostnfound]

15. But make it a big "W"..

and wouldn't you just be giving them what they want? :evilgrin:

That's how civil wars start.

[ryan_cats]

45. Why bother

Why bother keying Hummers. Just be satisfied that they're overcompensating personalities will drive them into bankruptcy and with the new bill they'll be screwed.

I know how you feel though. Every time I see one of those fake Chevy's with their plastic Hummer bodies I wonder how many wars we'll have to fight to keep their tanks full. Don't get me started on Co2.

[Stand and Fight]

7. Do a search.

This came in late last night and was reported in a local paper somewhere. I don't remember where. It's late. I'm very tired. But CNN is late in reporting this story. From what I read in the article there are massive holes in the story. This lady seems to be lying. Hyperbole maybe. Who knows? Anyone notice the conflict in her story? This lady is a flipping gawd awful liar. Oh what the hell... Goodnight.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Here's the LBN story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1300328

[jdj]

12. wow, it's the first link on LBN right now.

I am finding LBN hard to take right now. Because I can't face reality, I guess.

I am spending more time in the lounge. It's beginning to be a refuge. I may actually pull a "Winkler" myself on someone if my mental state keeps deteriorating.

[Catherine Vincent]

9. The media is really playing up this incident. Even AAR.

I wonder why?

[tom_paine]

33. Because it was a PARTY member being harassed by an Enemy of the State

Naturally, if the reverse happened (and it does every day) that would not be news.

After all, it would only encourage Enemies of the State to air their false grievances against Loyal, Godly PARTY members on Corporate TV Pravda.

[Stand and Fight]

10. Another version

http://www.tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGB45ESF46E.html

[magellan]

13. Not unsympathetic

But it was silly of Winkler to follow this woman at all. The road is no place to be engaging in political discourse of any sort. The number of times I've noticed an SUV or 4 X 4 in my rear view mirror, and suddenly it's gunning past me and squeaks in front of me -- purposely and dangerously -- revealing the 'Support our Troops' and 'W' stickers...I know it's because they saw MY stickers and couldn't deal with being behind a dayum libruhl. I make sure they see me -- a woman -- laughing at how pathetic they are when they check their mirror for a reaction.

Ain't no way I'd take on an Ugly Rethug and their need to over-compensate for their lack of brain mass, not when I'm in control of a moving vehicle.

Edited for clarity

[Occulus]

37. If you live in a no-fault state

a rear end collision is always the fault of the rear driver, IIRC. It's that way in MI.

I'm just saying....

[magellan]

48. Yes, I'm aware of that

But what's that got to do with anything?

[ComerPerro]

14. An article was posted here yesterday about this. And, the woman's story

smelled like exaggerated, overblown bullshit.

I figure she made some of it up, like the part about him trying to run her off the road.

Republicans like to pretend that they are oppressed. They get off on feeling victimized.

[Swamp Rat]

16. I wish they'd report Bush's war crimes...

[Branjor]

17. A few weeks ago....

my father was driving my car with its "Worst. President. Ever. W" bumper sticker on it and he says he was stopped at a red light when the guy in the car behind him got out and came up to his window and started lecturing him about Bush and the bumper sticker. My father still drives well, but he is in his 80s and didn't even know what the guy was talking about. It is sort of funny to think of that stupid freeper wasting his breath on some guy who didn't even know what the hell he was talking about, but I do not at all like the idea of this creep having harassed my father.

[jdots]

18. I am tired of being screwed by these bastards

as James Brown once said " I don't know karate but I know Ka-razy " To me a "W' sticker is no better than a swastika on a car.
Would cnn report a story about someone with a Kerry Edwards sticker getting hassled ? How far do they think they can push us ?

[ultraist]

42. I agree. A Bush or W sticker is a hate symbol

We KNOW what the Bush administration really stands for.

Interestingly, this Hate Group, the World Creator Church, now known as the Creativity Movement, led by Matthew Hale (KKK) uses a similiar logo:

[Cooley Hurd]

19. Nathan was wrong to follow her...

Even if the repuke nitwit did flip him off, he should've kept his cool.

I had a similar situation (but in reverse) happen to me last summer - a Chimp booster started harassing me about my anti-Chimp bumper sticker and followed me off the interstate. I made the mistake of stopping and it almost erupted into fisticuffs.

I hope Nathan gets help for his anger...:(

[CindyDale]

20. They were *both* Democrat

but she voted for Bush. There are a few of those around here, but more Republicans who voted for Kerry actually. Here in Pinellas where we have many more Republicans than Democrats, Bush and Kerry were virtually tied.

Here is what this lady had to say:

"I respect him for having his beliefs and feeling so strongly," Michelle Fernandez said Wednesday night, her nerves still frayed. "But here he is protesting the war and lost lives, and he is going to put me and my children in danger? This man has a serious problem.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/806028331.html?MAC=c4c9dbd28d4d5f01d90559255ebe7728&did=806028331&FMT=FT&FMTS=FT&date=Mar+10%2C+2005&author=SHANNON+COLAVECCHIO-VAN+SICKLER&printformat=&desc=Bumper+sticker+evokes+road+rage

[ComerPerro]

21. Its probably all bullshit

I highly doubt that she was a Democrat who voted for Bush and had a Bush Cheney sticker on her car. Its just something that Republicans like to say. They do it all the time.

And, while I wasn't there and don't know for sure what happened, I don't think she is telling the whole truth. And it woudln't suprise me at all if she were lying to make what he did seem worse than it was.

[KG]

22. finally, a dem w/ some fight in him!

:thumbsup:

[Walt Starr]

23. I won't "hail" the bastard

he's getting what he deserves! Evven if she flipped him off, his behavior was uncalled for and illegal. All he did was make Dems look bad!

[lonestarnot]

24. Yeah well she's a liar more than likely and paranoid to boot! Don't

believe her...but maybe they're both nut cases. Repukes lie like rugs and are very opportunistic. I'm not a witness to the facts, but I know from history what repukes are like.

[Walt Starr]

25. No, I believe her. She called 911 while the event was happening

Liberals can be assholes, too.

[lonestarnot]

26. Oh come on...just because you call 911 when the event is happening

doesn't mean you're not the guilty dog! Maybe she bit off more than she could chew and SHE is the one who endangered her OWN children! Do not believe her!

[Walt Starr]

27. Bullshit

He crossed the line. I don't care if she flipped him off, screamed obscenities or flashed her tits, there is no cause to start intimidating another driver with your vehicle! That is criminal activity which is dangerous in the least and potentially life threatening at the worst!

[lonestarnot]

28. Sorry but repukes become intimidated when the cat meows...I simply do

NOT believe her!

[Walt Starr]

29. She was NOT a Republican

Read the damn article. She is a DEMOCRAT!

[lonestarnot]

30. I read the fucking article she voting for bushitler she's a repuke!

[Walt Starr]

32. She's a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT

Regardless of your thoughts about her.

Why can't you just admit that a liberal went nuts and way over the line?

[lonestarnot]

34. Nope...no lib over the line! She nuts!

[Walt Starr]

36. Think what you like

the facts refute you.

[lonestarnot]

46. Thank you Walt Starr...read again. n/t

[lonestarnot]

31. Peace brother calm down you're not changing my mind about her!

[Walt Starr]

39. And you're not changing my mind about the asshole who got what he deserved

An asshole went after my wife over the bumper stickers on our car. Assholes come in all political persuasions whether you choose to recognize that fact or not.

[traco]

49. I think there are too many repuke disruptors here

They post junk that makes us look bad, then take it back to FR or CU and make jokes about how we're clueless!

[Bridget Burke]

35. When a Democrat encounters road range....

They drive home & after they've stopped shaking, post the story at DU.

When a "Democrat who voted for Bush" encounters it--she files charges.

[petronius]

38. Sounds like this guy was way out of line

He apparently started the whole thing by honking at her and pointing to his anti-Bush sticker (I really doubt if it was a friendly little 'beep'). She flips him off - the exact response I would have given - and he starts chasing her. She may be exaggerating the 'running off the road' bit, but who knows? It's definitely scary when people start chasing you, so she could have been genuinely terrified and perceived a real threat.

My verdict: she may or may not be a harpy, but Winkler is a Grade-A jackass.

[Stirk]

40. Is this story news because it's a "man bites dog" sort of thing?

I've seen Bush fans hassle people they perceived to be liberals on several occasions. Not just following them or shouting- I'm talking about actual vandalism. I've seen this sort of thing 3 times on the roads, always coming from the conservative, but I've never read a news report about it.

"Crazy liberals" seem to have no trouble making the news.

[DistressedAmerican]

41. Not That I Condone It. But, With The Number Of Bushies That

Have threatened me, harassed me, spat on me and threw things at me while I was posting Anti-Bush fliers (like the one below), I have to admit. I find it funny. Sorry...

Old Graphic That This Guy Would Like:

[enki23]

43. good, sort of.

the baby boomers can still (vaguely) remember the days when this nation had a real militant left. but my generation, and those younger, seem to equate leftism (and "liberalism") with "pussification". anything which challenges that assumption right now might help, a bit.

it's not good for the most important national needs, political and otherwise, to be associated with weakness.

[immoderate]

44. Chasing someone in a car

is like waving a gun. It's really stupid. I think an adult should always say, "What can I gain from this?" BEFORE they do something stupid. When I encounter crazies on the road, I laugh and wave and then keep my distance.

I can't see the up side of anything else, except if they are in extreme violation of the law, and then there are cops for that. It's not just the fight, it's picking the right fight. I go with Walt Starr on this one.

--IMM

[NightOwwl]

47. Rove is making sure this gets plenty of publicity...

I'm sure we'll be seeing Hannity, Scarborough, Mathhews on this important news topic for the next month or so. They're probably all having orgasms over this as we speak.

Besides, this is so much more important than pillow talk between someone high up in the White House and a male prostitute who got through security every day for two years using a fake name and got within a couple hundred feet of the President.