Is America laying on a Thailand beach the day after Christmas or....

[European Socialist]

will we sink slowly over the years.

[Selatius]

1. We began sinking on Nov. 22, 1963, the day Kennedy was murdered

[candy]

2. I find that choice of a date quite interesting-----

Prior to that time we had not integrated schools,defended the rights of gays,women were not empowered, the disabled were discriminated against,and we were lving a classic "fifties" life.

Is that what you want?

[Selatius]

5. No, but it was the day corporatism truly asserted itself, imho

He wouldn't play ball the way they wanted him to, and he was in favor of getting out of Vietnam, not to mention the fact that he was also in favor of fighting for equality and civil rights. He could've been a true first step towards something better, imho, but that never happened.

[Warpy]

3. The tide started to turn when Kennedy

lowered the top marginal income tax on his class from 90% to 70%.

That gave them a little extra play money, and we know what Scaife did with his.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

4. For me, it began after RFK and MLK were murdered

in 1968.

Before then, despite the Vietnam War, there was a sense of optimism in the country, a feeling that this country could eliminate poverty and racism and outdated standards of behavior and make life better for everyone, something that people under forty have never experienced. No, the Clinton years weren't even close.

It's really not helpful when the powers-that-be stop even trying to work for the common good.

What I miss most about the 1960s is the hope.

[donsu]

6. like a drip swells until it falls and goes splat

we are almost to the splat stage