The Nashua Advocate: The Strangest Gannongate Development Yet

[nashuaadvocate]

Was a Democratic Senator somehow involved in getting Jeff Gannon into the White House?

Could it be that Gannongate is indeed a sex scandal, and not merely another Bush Administration propaganda scandal?

Read the new article in The Nashua Advocate to learn about the newest, and incredibly troubling, development in Gannongate.

This is getting stranger and stranger.

The News Editor
The Nashua Advocate

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An excerpt:

"...the fact that a suspected on-line gay hooker, Jeff Gannon, is making cryptic references to meeting a U.S. Senator during the time he (Gannon) was an on-line gay hooker, and the fact that Gannon is suggesting that that meeting is not something the Senator would wish to disclose, and the fact that Gannon is making these cryptic references just days before the conviction of a former staffer of that same Senator for--you guessed it, an on-line gay sex scandal--is extraordinarily curious.

Curious, at the very least."

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[mr_hat]

1. Yikes. Did Rove control his black book?

[rodeodance]

3. maybe just blame it on a Dem???

[nashuaadvocate]

4. Maybe...or maybe...

...this is bigger than we thought.

We certainly don't mean to suggest this is a "Democratic" scandal.

In fact, we don't know *what* to suggest right now.

Except that, in some way, no matter whether Biden is involved or not, this still comes down to *someone* in the White House being complicit.

-- TNE

[Warpy]

9. Well, it's obvious there's a sex scandal in there somewhere

I mean, WHY GUCKERT??? There were loads of right wing journalists out there with credentials and who could pass a background check under their own names. Guckert had to have a sugar daddy in there, or someone he was blackmailing after services were rendered.

They jumped through too many hoops to get the guy in there for it to be an honest mistake with a guy who was starting a new life and a new career. Plus, he was really, really bad at what he was doing--so bad, in fact, that he attracted the attention of bloggers and got outed.

It's also becoming obvious that his client list probably has some of the who's who of movers and shakers in DC, both among the press and among government, and possibly in the evangelical crowd, as well. The silence on the subject from all these groups is deafening.

Leaning on this guy, HARD, would blow this whole thing wide open. That it isn't being done leads me to believe the corruption and blackmail are massive.

[merh]

47. Yeah, don't you know that Hannity or Scarborough or O'Liely

would give their eye teeth to be given a pass or to be asked by the WH to join the press corp.

[hootinholler]

15. Well, the King/Boystown scandal was certainly Bipartisan.

Wouldn't it be odd for this one to be partisan?

Following the tarbaby theory, whoever is pulling the strings would want shit on his own as well as the opposition. Maybe the puppeteer is a nonpartisan and equal opportunity power monger. After all, they would want to be able to maintain power without regard to who holds what office.

I'll say it again, we are like physicists trying to figure out the nature of the solar system. As forces and objects are identified the picture resolves. In that analogy, I'm not even sure if we've discovered that the earth is going around the sun yet.

-Hoot

Con't spel tudey

[KoKo]

28. It also comes down to our Dems not shouting from the rooftops

about this. Why the silence? Why the lock down? Especially when Conyers and Slaughter took the time to press Bush for info about who let Gan/Gurk into the WH?

Why the stonewalling? For an "anti-gay rights, moralistic, Bible toting President to allow a Male Prostitute a "Day Pass" to the WH Press Briefings and give him the opportunity to toss "soft ball" questions filled with Republican talking points for two years to McClellan does make one wonder..

The next step would be getting the Court Records for Bevin's to find out whom he was giving those gifts to in FLA. I know there's a privacy issue and maybe their names have been blacked out in the records, but what if they tie back to "Jimmy/Jeff?" Or someone listed on one of his infamous web sites.

What if Bevins was "enticed." How many other staffers and aides have been "enticed" by "Jimmy/Jeff" and how many others worked with him to co-opt Democrats into their little group. Is their blackmail involved.

Were Democratic secret strategies being revealed for a price. I don't know how we find out the links, but I think it's out there. :shrug:

[cloud75]

5. This is rove. He did the same thing to Ann Richards it's called a

whisper campaign. Except now he uses the Internet to spread rumors.

[kohodog]

18. yep, sounds a bit Rovian to me.

Regardless if there is any connection, first or second hand to Biden, this sounds like a Rove initiative. If he can take Biden down he will. (Although after the bankruptcy bill fiasco, I wouldn't mind seeing Biden squirm).

[KoKo]

51. But blaming everything on "Rove" does sort of "let the Dems off the hook"

doesn't it? What if they are ALL ROTTEN TO THE CORE..or the Compromises they've maid have been the BIG PROBLEM? :shrug:

[Warpy]

2. ..

[Judi Lynn]

6. So if Guckert goes down, he wants to make sure he takes a Democrat

along with him? Ha. Ha ha.

It doesn't sound as if he's really comfortable with his "threat" against Joe Biden. It DOES sound as if he's bluffing.

However, if he takes Joe Biden away, that's o.k. with me! AS with a faltering football team, it's good to get rid of the defective players and start organizing a better team.

I truly imagine Guckert only wishes he had some way to do some heavy damage to Democrats, as he knows he's near the end of the road, "professionally." Surely his "talents" are in short demand now. (Besides, his "looks" might fail him one day.....)



Joe Biden, if nothing else, is too
vain to make mistakes, possibly!

[rocktivity]

21. DING DING DING! Judi Lynn, you're our grand prize winner!

So if Guckert goes down, he wants to make sure he takes a Democrat along with him? Ha. Ha ha.
Is Gannon SURE he wants to hints that's he a gay hooker who specializes in blackmailing Democrats? That won't make the Republicans, and Bush in particular, look as good as you think, fella. And why should we believe ANYTHING he has to say anyway? He seems unaware of his track record in the credibility department, the poor deluded thing.

:headbang:
rocknation

[KoKo]

26. hmmmm. What if! It's BOTH parties that are involved, though?

Wouldn't that make it very interesting. What about a "clean sweep" with that broom?

[Ian David]

31. But if Biden is the Democrat he takes down, he's doing us a favor

Nobody on the left will rally popular support behind him, will they?

It's not like he's implicating someone we respect-- Barbara Boxer or Conyers, for example.

He may as well set his sights on Lieberman or Zell Miller.

Good riddance to Biden, if he can do it.

[BuyingThyme]

7. Jim/Jeff is apparently controlling this NA story, but

I say stay with it.

If Gannon thinks he can play Democrats in an effort to quiet the whoring angle, I say call him on it.

[KoKo]

8. Jeezus...I just posted on my own this a.m. in Politics about this without

seeing this story!

Creepy....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1655572&mesg_id=1655572

[ultraist]

38. Maybe JJ GG read it and that's where he got the idea from! LOL!

I bet he lurks here lapping up all the attention he gets.

[AngryAmish]

10. In another post thread somewhere the guy is named

I will not repeat it for fear of being banned and/or contributing to slander.

[Vinca]

11. No offense, but I don't see the story here beyond what is

already known about the Biden staffer. One would assume an insider got Gannon/Guckert into the White House press room. I don't think Joe Biden or his criminal staffer would be considered a Bush "White House insider." Whether or not Biden's staffer paid Gannon for sex is another matter that has nothing to do with how this guy passed as a journalist and was allowed access to the people's house on a daily basis for years on end. First and foremost, this is a security breach, not a XXX story line.

[nashuaadvocate]

12. Vinca...

...one of the questions here is why and how a man like Jeff Gannon, with no journalism experience whatsoever, was hired to be a journalist by a Texas millionaire, and why that same man, despite having no professional credentials whatsoever, was accepted into the Washington establishment as "legitimate." If Gannon has links to powerful Washington politicians, of either party, that hardly gets us nowhere in figuring the out the crux of the Gannongate mystery: "Why Jeff Gannon?"

What made him so special, that he should be able to do the things and have the access he had? There *had* to be something special about his circumstances, for him to crack open Washington the way he did.

This is, whether you like it or not, a lead on that story.

[Vinca]

13. I know what you're saying,

but I don't think it's the real story. He "somehow" had a connection to Biden and that's how he got into the White House? Biden is bait on a hook for Gannon and I'm not biting. Gannon/Guckert has a connection within the White House (please, if there is a God, let it be Rove), but Biden's name is being thrown out as a distraction. I'm not defending Biden - he's persona non grata for other reasons. Just think he's much ado about nothing when it comes to Gannon/Guckert.

[displacedtexan]

14. Exactly. MSM would jump on this if a DEM were involved...

like tornadoes on a trailer park.

I'm not biting, either.

[KoKo]

23. No....you are both correct and wrong. Blevin's was Bide's Campaign

Manager and he stole the money and "might have had" connections to Gan/Gurk's Delware for Hire Site.

If a close friend of Biden's i.e. his Delaware Campaign Manager was connected to Guckert, then he might have had an "IN" to staffers or aides of other Dems on the "Hill." So...not that Biden was having an illicit affair with Guckert..but that he was "aware" that Guckert had ties into the whole "staffing situation" on Capitol Hill and Biden just isn't going to "blow the whistle on it" because either he's being blackmailed...or he's too worried about Dems going down with Repugs over this and he truly believes in the Stability of American Government.

:shrug:

[KoKo]

24. Joe Biden is one of the major reasons Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme

Court!

Biden refused to allow the best witness against Thomas who would verify Anita Hill's allegations to testify. He rammed Thomas through with John Danforth's help at 2:30 one morning long ago.

But, David Brock of "Media Matters" remembers because he wrote a "trash book" about Anita Hill before his "CONSCIENCE" got to him and he turned away from the RW/Scaife Funded Machine.

[fromBrooklyn]

59. There's something insane here that you're missing:

I'm fine with postulating that Rove or even Bush were involved with Gannonuckert, that's really just trash talking - without substantiation, or pretensions of, but enjoyable in a play-ground way.

So now Biden's former staffer gets busted for embezzlement, and he was spending his ill gotten gains on gay prostitutes. (emberassingly enough.)

To now tie Biden to Guckert can only be the same kind of trash talking. Period.

Until the staffer says "Yes, Guckerannon was one of the prostitutes I was involved with" the whole story is un-related to Ganonuckert entirely, and should be treated as such.

AND - if he does actually say "Yes Gann... etc" then the premise that Biden knew Ganuckerton is no more supportable than that Rove was having an affair with Gannonou... More Trash talking.

Say what you like about the pros and cons of Biden. For him to be tarred, successfully, with the same brush the admin. has been, unsuccessfully, tarred with for the last month would be a real coup for Rove.

Yet if this is indeed Rove, he has only shown he can get the MSM to parrot what he wants, and we can not. Not that his imagination is any sharper, or devious: His methods are simply more effective.

Which leaves to us the development of more effective means to get our story out. Maybe a gay honey-pot planted in the press pool, a little black-mail... or has this already been done?

[KoKo]

50. Richard Nixon and "Watergate" wasn't a story until it was hammered home

by those who thought "Nixon Dangerous." We maybe have to wait to the point that "insiders" feel Chimp is "Dangerous" and they "bring him down."

[bin.dare]

16. no mention of the gay/porn/sugardaddy angle ...

... was made in the early (2003) reporting of this story. The first citation i can find is the very recent reports. All the early reports would mention only "the internet". Was that aspect of the story kept quiet because of deference to Blevins' sensibilities?

here is an example:
http://www.delawaregrapevine.com/july03stories/7-03%20blevins.htm

[Catchawave]

17. "It" worked for Rather

{{cough,cough}}

[JerseygirlCT]

19. Reads like a whole lot of speculation without any serious backup.

[KoKo]

43. That's how all investigations start, though. There are links to news

articles. Legitimate news articles from Delaware Newspaper.

[JerseygirlCT]

44. Oh, I'm not ruling anything out, just not buying it until

there's a bit more to the story, you know?

[KoKo]

58. Folks are trying...the best they can....hang in there. The "Internets"

are digging and digging. We are alone...the stonewalling is incredible by MSCM and the WH...

[Eloriel]

20. You know, you really should use the permalink in your posts

because if anyone wants to find that particular entry months hence, they can't.

Here's the permalink, for the record:

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2005/03/jeff-gannon-continues-to-hint-at.html

[babsbunny]

22. Conspiracy Planet

thinks Gannon/Guckert/Gosch is Hopefully thinking about paybacks for what he (Gosch) has been put through. That would be the ulimate outcome!

[bettyellen]

25. why would you give "jeff"'s stories any credibility? has he told the truth

yet about anything?
why would he start to be credible now that he's slinging mud at dems?

[woodsprite]

27. So Rove is Jimmy/Jeff's pimp?

Just wanted to type it cause it felt so good :)

[Ian David]

29. If Biden goes down on... I mean WITH Gannon... I will be over-joyed

<snip>

However, when the time came to send a letter to the Bush Administration demanding answers on the Gannongate scandal--specifically, what special contacts in Washington Jeff Gannon had in order to get access to the White House--Joe Biden's signature was nowhere to be found. Aides to Biden said the Senator was given insufficient time to read the letter and decide whether or not to sign it.

Coincidence, or calculation? At the time, many wondered how a Senator so intent on investigating Gannongate could fail to lend his John Hancock to the only effort being made in Congress to do so.

Then something odd happened.

As The Advocate noted in this March 6th, 2005 article,
http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2005/03/bloggers-struggle-to-attend-white.html

n other, late-breaking news, Gannon has made a fabulously tantalizing assertion on his blog: that he met U.S. Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) "some years ago" under circumstances Gannon did not disclose. Gannon added, "here is so much more to this story that has yet to be told."

More:
http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/




http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/

[hector459]

30. Just think about Biden's latest votes and ask yourself why?

Maybe blackmail?

[Ian David]

34. Don't forget congressional credit card information was "lost"

Who knows what information the credit card companies have, too.

If Gannon can implicate a Democrat (and PLEASE let it be Biden) then the Republican attack-machine will start paying attention to the story.

And I can't imagine how once it is in the center spotlight people will fail to follow this all the way to the top.

And WHY OH WHY is Michael Jackson getting more MSM attention than Gannon!

If Michael Jackson were fondling little boys in The Lincoln Bedroom...

[cry baby]

32. The question becomes "do you believe JimJeff" or is he again trying

to go after "brain-dead" dems?

I just don't believe anything the hooker has to say. Really not even curious either.

[ultraist]

33. Like Biden has any pull in the WH. Ari approved him or ROVE

Why would they do Biden a favor and get Jeff GG in?

I don't believe a fucking work GG says.

[DearAbby]

36. How could Biden have control to the access to the White House?

I dont see it either, Guckgannon is yankin yer chain. Its a dying quiver, of a has been Man whore.

[ultraist]

37. I think JJ GG is a narcisstic whiner looking for more attention

And there's not much truth to anything he says.

[ebayfool]

35. Hmmm, I still fail to see how a lowly Democrat has the pull to ...

over ride what the WH surely knew was a fake journalist & get Jeff Gannon into the White House? No Democrat has the power to put jimmy/jeff in the press room, only the *ushco's have that ability. Even if there is blackmail involved against Biden, how does that answer the question - who pulled strings to plant this hooker in the press room? They surely would have no qualms @ using jimmy/jeff's special talents (to control votes, etc) - but someone in the WH put him there. I do think, however, that jimmy/jeff is throwing out innuendo @ any dem he can, in order to muddy the waters & deflect the focus - who put him in the press room? Don't lose focus of that, although it will be enlightening to know who's votes &/or policies might have been 'redirected' by jimmy/jeff's benefactor.

btw- If jimmy/jeff is being used by a 'benefactor' to influence congressional votes, that would also make said benefactor a PIMP! How thoroughly moral & upright these family values, god fearing, bible humpin' hypocrites are!

[Nothing Without Hope]

39. I've suspected blackmail from the first. I think it's used for political

power. In this case the blackmail would be to coerce support and the "something to hide" would include closeted gay sex with a prostitute, evidence of which would be held as insurance for "good" behavior. I've also suspected from the first that "Gannon" is an agent of the White House in this. How better to control someone like a judge or a senator or a publisher than by holding the end of their career over their heads as an inducement to follow orders? I believe this Administration's hold over so many people who would be expected to know better and who use their positions of influence to support the neocon agenda is based to a significant extent on blackmail.

Someone high in the Reagan/Bush-the-First administration derailed the investigation into the huge White House-associated gay hooker ring in 1989. I believe this was done to protect the investment of setting up a blackmail network. I believe this network is even larger now and, since anything that a person wants kept secret will do, that probably also includes pedophiles and people secretly guilty of many other kinds of crimes.

I have also suspected that a side-benefit of the deliberate demonization of homosexuality by this Administration (besides whipping up fear and hatred and placating fundie pals) is that it makes it harder to come out. After all, an openly gay man isn't vulnerable to blackmail as a closeted one is. Without shame and fear of exposure, the hold on the victim is lost.

If you are interested in these lines of thinking, please see this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1609452

[tandem5]

40. So I'm no reasoning expert, but...

I don't think you can use Gannon as a news source for a story that is concerned with the credibility of Gannon as a... well... news source. It's like Kenneth Lay letting you in on criminal activity going on at Enron.

You know it’s really ok to have a pointed investigation - to suspect one or more top ranking White House officials have solicited Gannon and that connection has facilitated the dissemination of propaganda and slander. Just because we are democrats doesn't mean we have to be open to every possibility that is *placed* in front of us.

[saracat]

41. Garbage. Payback for Real Time.

Nothing here . Move along. Really.

[okieinpain]

42. putting 2 and 2 together, I get the idea that gannon knows the

biden staffer, and that he probably received some gifts from said person. the dirt on biden would be that he had a staffer that was spending campaign funds for personal use.

if I was biden, i would pull a rove and say publicly that since it was my office involved in this scandal that I now want a full investigation into what funds gannon and others received. :~)

[tandem5]

46. yes exactly...

you have Biden who is laughing at off-color jokes that are at Gannon's expense on Bill Maher’s show... you have the proximity of the Blevins sentencing. It might have been Gannon's cute way of saying Biden unwittingly paid for extravagant nights on the town.

The thing I find interesting is how Blevins was exposed:

"According to court records, Blevins got involved with the men when he placed the highest bid for a date with one of them. One of the men reportedly had a fight with Blevins and called authorities."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/consumer_news/11113165.htm

Is the name of the man that called authorities publicly known?

[Cocoa]

45. not strange at all

unsubstantiated smears are very common, especially against dems.

Also common is people believing it, promoting it, and spreading it, despite the lousy sourcing and lousy logic, because they don't like the target in the first place.

[dxstone]

48. NEWS ALERT: The REAL story on Gannon/Guckert!

I don't see anything of substance here at all; and I agree with okie (from a while back; computer problems!)... Biden oughta call 'em on it, and use the fact of this unproven accusation as leverage to press a real investigation that would at least bring all this stuff to the attention of the populace...
Cuz' this is just more wicked Roveian manipulations n' mind games...

For the VERY latest ACTUAL developments on the Gannon/Guckert story, I refer you to
http://www.presidentevilonline.com/sn_guckert.html

DXS
"A man who would forsake liberty for security is a total jerkweed doofus." --Benjamin Frankin

[KoKo]

49. kick for the "night crowd."

:kick:

[KoKo]

52. You know...this is a good article with links from "reputable" news sources

all DU'ers need to read this..:shruug:

[fromBrooklyn]

53. Wait a minute!

I like the Nashua Advocate, not just ideologically: And maybe a Democratic Senator did have a tryst with Gannon. Maybe a Republican one did too, maybe Rove himself had a tryst with Gannuckert -

1. That's not the point of the scandal, it's a juicy angle, but the point is propaganda - we are being lied to, aggressively, and here's how.

2. Isn't saying - "Oh, hey, maybe it was a 'Dem.' he was having sex with a great way to evade responsability for the fact that he was a propagandist for the proto-fascist Republicans? (Or that he most likely had as many encounters with Rep.s as Dems.)

Maybe we (the party of reality) can take this story as a near miss, and focus back on the matter at hand -

They Are Lying To Us.

[nashuaadvocate]

54. JUST TO BE CLEAR...

...because folks seem to be reading a lot into this most recent article:

1. We're not saying Joe Biden is gay.
2. We're not saying Joe Biden did anything scandalous or illegal.
3. We're not saying Democrats got Gannon into the White House.
4. We're not saying we trust Jeff Gannon without question.

What we're saying is, Joe Biden is from Delaware, as is Jeff Gannon. Gannon has made a very public claim that he met Joe Biden previously. "some years ago." During a time when he (Gannon) was a gay male hooker on-line, and a staffer of Biden was engaged with...gay male hookers. On-line.

A lot of folks, The Advocate included, are trying to find out how Gannon fits into the Washington picture. We imagine it's complicated. We don't think it's an A + B = C situation. Like, he knows Biden so Biden got him into the White House. That is absurd and stupid. We do think Gannon must have been something more than a gay male hooker with no political connections to be hired by millionaire Bobby Eberle to be a White House correspondent. There was something special about Gannon--and frankly, since we have no idea what that is, we're willing to follow any lead.

Could Gannon be lying about knowing Biden? Yes. Should Biden be asked if he knows Gannon? Yes. Are we a little bit surprised and disappointed in some of the DU folks here, who seem to have shut down their inquisitive nature--all at once--simply because Gannon mentioned the name of a Democrat?

Yes.

-- TNE

[Al-CIAda]

55. I got what you were saying -not sure why some have confusion.

As always, thanks NA. Great work.

:thumbsup:

[osiristz]

56. Gannon comes clean

On thing refreshing is that GG is admitting that he was indeed an online hooker. One thing I don't buy is the "some years ago." part. His sex-for-hire websites were live up until the day he was outed.

Now tha latest twist in all this he/she/it business is that Ann Coulter is rumored to have been Andrew Coltrane at one time. Heir to the Coltrane hog farm industry from Pickens County Georgia.

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1441.htm

Wonder why she/he (Coulter) gave Gannon a pass in the media?

[Al-CIAda]

57. How true. He isn't even trying to deny anything, and in fact is begging to

tell more. Spill the beans GG.

[fromBrooklyn]

60. tbrnews.. ummm.

They might be a point of speculation from which to start an inquiry, but I don't think they _even_ pretend to be telling "the truth."

It's nice to hear someone trash talk the people you don't like, but it doesn't mean you're going to buy it...

I'd take anything they post with a handful of salt. Two handfuls.

And then maybe find out if there really was an Arthur Coltrane...