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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:19 PM Original message |
Were these invasions justified? |
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adwon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. One yes, one I don't know |
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adwon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. I changed my mind |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. But the replacement gov't didn't keep on killing like Pol Pot did. |
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adwon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Less loony |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Today's United States is more analagous to Kampuchea and Uganda |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. Neither of those invasions were for "humanitarian" reasons... |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. And the implication that Pol Pot = Saddam Hussein is ludicrous |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You are accusing me of something that is not true. |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The implication is obvious despite your obfuscations. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Not true. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. So which absolutist position are you challenging? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. There are numerous absolutists around here. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. There are a number of generalizers and globalizers around here as well. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. Yesterday you were trying to tell "us" "we're" against democracies |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Very astute observation |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I think you detected it! |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. No - wait a second. I think Silverhair is trying to get us to |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. So you think we Democrats should come up with a position on |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Yes, actually. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The Democratic Party is excluded from the debate for that reason? |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. It's extremely easy for the public to stop paying attention to |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. No, it is because we are not unified. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. If you prefer certainty over uncertainty, why are you a Democrat? |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. No - I think we should come up with a coherent idea about |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. OK - as Lone Pawn put it - YES also:) nt |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. One view of the world--the GOP view--sees the US as a great noble power |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
69. Sometimes it seems the GOP view of the world is arrogant, |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I agree with just about everything you wrote. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Maybe we should write down these ideas and send them to |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. DING! DING! DING! Got it. |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Oh I saw this pattern in the first 100 posts. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
47. SOME here are so partisant that they are against any improvement |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. If W thinks something is a good idea, that's a fair indication that it |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I addressed that yesterday. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. On why you think democracy and peace will come to the Middle East? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. You are being silly and needlessly hostile. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Don't pregnant chads and redistricting represent one form of democracy? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. OK, I'll address that. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. My point is that the US needs to get its own house in order |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. True. We should aid democracy, not ram it down their throats. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. But my point remains we must still hope for, support and work |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I have no problem with also working to improve democracy here. NT |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sure, there is always a case for removal from power of a dangerous leader |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. The U.S. directly aided the Khmer Rouge...not suprising really |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. Don't know enough about Tanzania-Uganda. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. This is an interesting question because it brings up an |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. A most excellent response. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I do not blame people for abhoring war and violence. But |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I think we need a new United Nations. |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. 121 electoral democracies out of 194 countries |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. OK. I stand corrected. NT |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. However - there are large power blocks WITHIN the UN |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I don't believe in using force beyond one's own political representation |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Your points about America's flawed policies are well-taken. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
55. You make a very interesting point. It can be compared to vigilantism. |
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kk897 (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
15. A question: could the peoples of those countries have |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. A modern successful armed revolution needs several things. |
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kk897 (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. thanks for your response, Silverhair. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. In those situations, none. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
19. Are you trying to compare these with the US invasion of Iraq? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
57. See my posts 7, 11, 42 for answeres to that. NT |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
21. Certainly they were. |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
23. If you're trying to justify the invasion of Iraq with these historical |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
58. See my posts 7, 11, 42. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
29. So, by the same reasoning, would it be OK for Canada, or China, |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Since Bush was sworn in after open elections, and since Bush |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I did not post anything about genocide. Under Bu*h, we are, IMO, |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 03:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. The point is |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
63. I disagree that Americans are still self-determined, due to the fact that |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. Good post and good points except for one: |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. "Clearly state, under what conditions we would and would not use force". |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Well said. Corporate personhood is a big part of our |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. The whole world and multilateral institutions were for the undoing of |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 07:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. That's an interesting way of looking at it. But I doubt if |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
74. War is always wrong. |
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amjucsc (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
75. Yes, it can be justified... |
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