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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:30 PM
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In 24-48 hours - John Kerry
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 01:29 PM by rndmprsn
Dear XXXX,

We have only 24 to 48 hours to try and save the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

The Republicans are trying to sneak legislation through the Senate approving oil drilling and they are incredibly close to winning. We have to stop them.

I am joining with Senator Maria Cantwell (D-Washington) in offering a critical amendment to stop this sneak attack on our environment. We will fight on the floor of the Senate, but we need you by our side.

There are seven key Republican Senators whose votes will decide the future of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Before they vote, we need to make sure they know that their constituents are watching, and that they will not be able to support drilling without anybody noticing.

Here are two critical steps we can take together to support our amendment to protect this National Wildlife Refuge:

1. Join the Citizens' Roll Call
First of all, take part in a massive fast-moving display of citizen support for the Arctic Refuge. Sign our Cantwell-Kerry Citizens' Roll Call now.

http://www.johnkerry.com/RollCall

To make our Citizens' Roll Call impossible to ignore, we have alerted the media, environmental advocates and my fellow Senators to a scrolling display of the names and home towns of the roll call signers. It is posted on our johnkerry.com website, where we hope to soon add your name and a running tally of the number of citizens on our Citizens' Roll Call.

2. Bring the fight to the home states of the seven senators
We need to launch emergency online advertising campaigns in the home states of those seven critical senators:

Senator Coleman (MN)
Senator Smith (OR)
Senator Specter (PA)
Senator Martinez (FL)
Senator Lugar (IN)
Senator Gregg (NH)
Senator Sununu (NH)


We need your help to bring our Save the Arctic Refuge message home in these six states. Help us fund an emergency ad campaign to make sure they know how strongly the people they represent feel about protecting the Arctic. Please make an emergency donation right now.

http://contribute.johnkerry.com/

When Senator Cantwell, myself and other Senators stand up in support of the Cantwell-Kerry Amendment, we will have powerful arguments on our side. (I have recapped some of those arguments at the end of this email message)

But, to win, we need to be able to report directly to our Senate colleagues that massive numbers of citizens around the country - and in their own states - are rising up to demand that the Senate protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

That's why your immediate signature is so critical.

http://www.johnkerry.com/RollCall

The Bush Administration and its oil industry allies want to send a message that they can drill for oil wherever and whenever they want to
- even if it means targeting a place as striking, pristine and irreplaceable as the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

They don't care about putting America on a genuine path to energy independence. If they did, they'd support efforts to increase energy conservation and to create clean, renewable sources of energy that no terrorist can sabotage and no foreign government can seize.

Let me be very direct with you. It is going to take an immediate and impossible-to-ignore display of grassroots support to stop them. That's why your decision to sign our Cantwell-Kerry Amendment Citizens' Roll Call is so crucial.

Thank you for acting quickly on this vital request.

John Kerry




P.S. Senator Cantwell, who comes from a state in the heart of the Pacific Northwest, has - at considerable political risk - courageously stepped forward to join me in leading this fight. We need you to help us win it.

http://www.johnkerry.com/RollCall

HERE ARE YOUR SAVE THE ARCTIC REFUGE TALKING POINTS

The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge's 19 million acres comprise one of the last places on earth where an intact expanse of arctic and sub arctic lands remains protected.

Drilling in the Arctic Refuge can't make even a small dent in meeting America's energy needs. U.S. Geological Survey scientists estimate that there is very likely only enough oil to supply America's needs for six months. And oil companies admit that, even that, won't be available for at least 10 years.

An irreplaceable natural treasure, the Arctic Refuge is home to caribou, polar bears, grizzly bears, wolves, golden eagles, snow geese and more. Millions of other birds use the Arctic Refuge to nest and as a critical staging area on their migratory journeys.

Of course, the Arctic Refuge supports more than wildlife. For a thousand generations, the Gwich'in people of Northeast Alaska and Northwest Canada have depended on it and lived in harmony with it. To them, the Arctic Coastal Plain is sacred ground.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:40 PM
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1. He's telling us which GOP Senators are keyed to their constituents on this

issue.

Let's follow through. Especially if you are in any of these senators' states.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:03 PM
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2. Trying to call Senator Specter's office.
The line is busy, busy, busy. Let's hope he's getting a lot of calls against drilling in ANWR.

I'll keep trying!
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:16 PM
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3. I also emailed Sen Lugar.
This means he will have to write me back on this issue so at least I'll know why the asshole is going to vote for this.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:30 PM
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8. Dick will tell you...
What committees he serves on and why a "strong energy policy" is SO important to Murka.
At least that's what he told mne the last 3 times I wrote him BEGGING him to vote "No".

Here's goes email Nr. 4...Thank Random Chance we can count on DINO Evan to still vote FOR the enviroment
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:20 PM
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4. I'm glad on this
Glad to hear he's really working to stop this. I love how he still has his website and Email list and keeps us all updated and working together for issues like this. :)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:21 PM
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5. "The Sacred Place Where Life Begins"

The Gwich'in Nation of Northeast Alaska and Northwest Canada have a unified longstanding position to seek permanent protection of “Iizhik Gwats’an Gwandaii Goodlit” The Sacred Place Where Life Begins, the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The coastal plain is the primary birthplace and nursery for over 120,000-member Porcupine Caribou Herd. Our Gwich’in villages are located along the migratory paths of the caribou. The area where we live is virtually the same as the range of the caribou and our villages are strategically set along the migratory routes of the caribou.
http://www.alaska.net/~gwichin/index2.html

The current administration and the Alaska delegation persists in promoting drilling in the birthing grounds as a universal remedy for everything from ending dependence on foreign oil and inflated promises of jobs. The Arctic Refuge will only provide the U.S. with 6 months of oil 10 years from now according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

We must be sufficiently equipped to fight riders in congress. The scheme currently floating in the U.S. Senate is to use royalties from drilling for health benefits of retired mineworkers and their survivors.

Many believe that if the Refuge falls it will open the door to the desecration of sacred places important to tribes elsewhere.

Please help us to protect the last intact Arctic ecosystem in America, the Gwich’in culture and our future generations.

http://www.alaska.net/~gwichin/index.html


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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:23 PM
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6. wow...incredible. NT
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:44 PM
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10. Not even the senior members of the tribe set foot on the most sacred parts
of the interior of the refuge.

GAO: Oil and Gas Activitiy Damages Refuges Oil and gas activity has caused serious damage on many of the national wildlife refuges where it has occurred, according to a new report frfom the General Accounting Office ("National Wildlife Refuges: Opportunities to Improve the Management and Oversight of Oil and Gas Activities on Fedeeral Lands"). The GAO report can be found on the web at: http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-04-192T

NATIONAL ACADAMY OF SCIENCE: Cumulative Environmental Effects of Oil and Gas Activities on Alaska's North Slope.
http://www.nap.edu/books/0309087376/html/

FALSE PROFITS: The Business Case against Drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
http://www.uspirg.org/reports/falseprofits2003.pdf

CLEAN ENERGY?Will drilling the Arctic Refuge Really Solve Our Oil Woes?
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy/page.cfm?pageID=71
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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:50 PM
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28. Gorgeous pictures
Thank you. I have added my name. I do not like to be forced to argue "there is not enough oil to make a difference".

Darn it, we should protect this because it is a Wildlife Refuge. Period.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:11 PM
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32. Gee, you mean it's NOT a hunk of white frozen wasteland?
Gee, the RW pundits lied to me. Shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

Signed.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:27 PM
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7. Senator Specter's phone is still busy,
so I e-mailed his office.

Go to specter.senate.gov
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:36 PM
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9. Signed and...
Reposting the link:

1. Join the Citizens' Roll Call
First of all, take part in a massive fast-moving display of citizen support for the Arctic Refuge. Sign our Cantwell-Kerry Citizens' Roll Call now.

http://www.johnkerry.com/RollCall
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:07 PM
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11. I'm forwarding this to friends & posting on message boards
I'm calling Gordon Smith.....my Sen from Oregon (But I'd rather have another Democrat) today and urge him to support NO DRILLING FOR OIL IN ALASKA.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:12 PM
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:16 PM
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14. 'son of a bitch' is still working for us and the causes we represent
Save your insults for the opposition, who appear to have stolen that last election. BTW, who is your champion on this issue? Or, do you even care about the drilling in the refuge?
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:45 PM
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19. Hey, if you don't want to help him help US - unsubscribe
it's not difficult to do. And if you want to know how he lost, check out a few of the threads about election reform, and do some learning about diebold.

How can anyone have a problem with someone who is trying to stop the shrubshit from destroying our country?
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 03:25 PM
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20. How can you not appreciate the fact...
that he is still working on the issues that were central to his campaign? He's still trying to bring forward legislation that supports children without health care, he's still trying to save Social Security, he's still trying to fight drilling in Alaska... plus, he's one of the ONLY Senators that not only asked the hard questions to Gonzales and Condi - but he also voted against them. So, yes he may have lost the election, but clearly, he hasn't backed down from his promises. He's still trying to rally support for democratic causes... trying to bring unity to the party. His fight didn't stop after the election... only fucking pussy's stop fighting then.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:12 PM
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33. Even if people can't support *Kerry*
per se, then they can at least see that this is a matter of supporting positive action. Surely positive action should be encouraged, no matter where it's coming from.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:32 PM
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18. Back up at OregonLive
I could use some there. The Wildlife and National Forum.

Check out this map, when they say it'll only be 2,000 acres.

http://www.inforain.org/maparchive/anwr_2.htm

Talking points here, if you need them:

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=540
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:24 PM
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34. I was going to post on Daily Kos
But it's not coming up.

Does anyone know if there is a problem with them?
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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:14 PM
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13. Done! Kick, and Nominated. n/t
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:21 PM
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15. k
:-)
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:28 PM
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16. Done but not optimistic.
:grr:
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:32 PM
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17. Gornon Smith is on the CORRECT SIDE OF THE FENCE
I just called his office and was told he supports the amendment.

That doesn't mean we should stop calling. Keep the pressure on these people.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 03:27 PM
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21. Just faxed his office...
Cause I couldn't get through on the phone. Let's hope he delivers...
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 03:57 PM
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22. Done. Called both AZ senators' offices. McCain opposes drilling.
Come on everybody - call your senators! If Big Oil gets into ANWR, they will be going after mainland National Parks next. This is just a ploy to get their foot in the door.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:05 PM
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23. Great work!
:kick:
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:18 PM
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24. Glad to see this at the top of the homepage!
I've already sent my e-mails and signed my petitions. Keep it going!
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:36 PM
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25. I'm in PA, I'll call Specter
Got the Senate switchboard number programmed into the speed-dial of my cell phone - as should everyone!

Senate:
202-224-3121

House:
202-225-3121

This makes it easy to support/condemn the cause du jour.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:41 PM
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26. Done! Kick! n/t
:kick:
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:01 PM
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27. Done.
I'm from PA, and I signed the petition.
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:46 PM
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35. comment field
I wonder if the comments count for anything...

I signed the petition and added this comment

Analysis of Oil and Gas Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, March 2004, Office of Integraged Analysis and Forecasting, US DOE, page 7, "...the impact on world oil prices is not expected to be significant. With respect to the world oil price impact, ANWR coastal plain oil production in 2025 is projected to constitute between 0.5 and 1.3 percent of total world oil consuption. It is expected that the price impact of ANWR coastal plain production might reduce world oil prices by as much as 30 to 50 cents per barrel, relative to a projected 2025 world price of $27 per barrel (2002 dollars) ... Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, could countermand any potential price imact of ANWR coastal plain production by reducing its exports by an equal amount."
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:22 AM
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65. thanks whrab
welcome to the DU! In my comment I asked if we could please keep one area the greedy, money-grubbing republicans cannot get their hands on
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:54 PM
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29. Also sign Barbara Boxer's petition for the same issue...
The more signatures that get sent for both petitions, perhaps the more we can be heard.

http://ga4.org/campaign/boxer_anwr/
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:18 PM
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30. Now this is a John Kerry I can respect.
Give them hell, John!
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Demrock6 Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:06 PM
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31. COLEMAN TO VOTE 'NO' ON DRILLING
Just thought I would share. Links to the paper are in the Minnesota fourm..

That is if he does not 'flip flop'
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:48 PM
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36. Done
Took care of it this afternoon. It couldn't be more important and I'm glad JK is on top of this.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:36 PM
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37. Done.
:kick:
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Paul Dlugokencky Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:00 PM
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38. Go, John, Go!
Back in the fight!
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Papillon Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:11 PM
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39. Signed and also sent an email to my senator
Maria Cantwell telling her of my support for her amendment.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:25 PM
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:47 PM
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41. Baloney. Anyone who REALLY cares about this knows he led the fight in 2001
against the drilling and won.

I do notice that you again popped into a Kerry thread to spread more hate against Kerry and doom for an important environmental issue as if you have no prior knowledge that Kerry has had strong environmental creds for over 30+ years amd he doesn't NEED to burnish them for "fundraising" as you assert.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:16 PM
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:27 PM
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44. Your definition of "the same" may also be different from others
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 10:27 PM by LittleClarkie
from www.vote-smart.org

Environmental Issues

2003-2004 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 44 percent of the time.

2003-2004 On the votes that the National Parks Conservation Association considered to be the most important in 2003-2004 , Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 60 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 53 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Sierra Club considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Comprehensive US Sustainable Population considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 38 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Parks Consevation Association considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 92 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the Comprehensive US Sustainable Population considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 73 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 94 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the National Parks Conservation Association considered to be the most important in 1999-2000 , Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the Comprehensive US Sustainable Population considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 84 percent of the time


Pretty good scores in most instances. Somehow I can't picture Bush getting 100% from the Sierra Club. Indeed, as hard as they campaigned against Bush, the seem to have seen a difference as well.

I know one of the issues that got him the Lt Gov job in Mass.

I agree that he doesn't need to show his chops on this issue for "fundraising" purposes. Folks who know his record already know he's an accomplished environmentalist.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:43 PM
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:27 PM
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45. RNC101...claim there is little difference in candidates on popular issues
especially when the difference is ENORMOUS.

No environmentalist in his right mind could make the claim there is little difference between Kerry and Bush.

Kerry has one of the best lifetime environmental records in Congress. Bush is the WORST environmental president ever.

Anyone who claims differently is either crazy or a GOP operative.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:42 PM
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46. Or hardcore ABB
what IS that publication anyway? I've never heard of it. Hard left?

And I hate that bumper sticker. Hate, hate, hate. Just a different flavor of koolade, one that some leftists found they liked quite well.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:47 PM
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:49 PM
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51. I noticed the same thing
glad someone else did.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:46 PM
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48. Interesting that you use S&B against Kerry but on other threads you mock
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 10:47 PM by blm
one of our best posters at DU who used real documented evidence from the National Security Archives that shows Poppy Bush may be involved in a few conspiracies of his own.

So, I guess in your book, Kerry is the real ringleader of all S&B evil and Poppy Bush is merely a victim of circumstance and the heated imaginings of DUers.

Sounds like a reality disconnect to me.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:50 PM
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:56 PM
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53. Oh, I don't think anyone thinks he was one of the "lone gunmen"
But there are ways of having such things on "remote".

That said, I'd never thought about it. I don't know that much about Poppies history.

You don't honestly believe the S&B stuff do you? If so, I'm somewhat curious where folks get that impression from. Do you have a link to an article you've read or some other source that convinced you of the S&B theory of Election 2004? I've only seen one so far, and it was WAY out there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:01 PM
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55. Sorry, I don't care how many leftist avatars you use. I'm not buying.
Any real leftist would be clamoring for MORE investigations after seeing the documents that were posted. because they would assume a huge coverup.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:15 PM
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:07 AM
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62. So... no source for the Skull and Bones theory?
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 02:17 AM by LittleClarkie
Do you have one, sir? You had a source for your other point.

Rid the party of all non-Kerryites? Hardly. But are you really in the party, sir? Or do you stand to the left of it? What color do you normally vote? Blue or Green?

I'd like to rid the party of all distortion and false information and general bullshit. If someone has a legitimate beef with Kerry, that's all fine and dandy.

But S & B is B & S.

Unless you can provide a credible source for your suspicions, of course.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:54 AM
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59. pzzzzzzzzzzzcheeeeeeeeeeezzzz!

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:57 AM
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61. Please take your Skulls and Bones insults somewhere else.
:grr:
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:23 PM
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43. Thank you, President Kerry!! n/t
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:47 PM
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49. done
:kick:
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Marthe48 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:59 PM
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54. I emailed Dewine and Voinivich
much good it'll do
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Learning2Fly Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:55 PM
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57. Faxed a message to Smith (OR)
would love to boot him out next election....
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:50 AM
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58. Vote at MSNBC
Posted this over in General: Politics as well

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7065544/

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else already. Many posts about the same issue.

Currently 16% FOR drilling and 84% AGAINST!

:)

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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:51 AM
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60. for those like me.....
...if you think like I used to think a couple of years ago......that this will all blow over or will be reversed when Democrats take over....you'd better think again.
This group in American history is going down as the group that tried to forever take over the United States of America while the citizens slept. If we don't wake up it will happen!!
These few people are evil and I do not expect that they have any intention of relinquishing power, by elections or otherwise. They feel they've come too far to turn back now and we had better be prepared for battle.
Sign the petitions, make the donations, take to the streets, whatever it is that we have to do. These creeps do not believe in democracy at all, as if that shouldn't be so obvious to all of us by now!
I fought and was wounded in Viet Nam for what I believed at the time was best for my country and I am ready to fight and die on an American street for the same damn thing today if need be.
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gjb Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:02 AM
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63. Some facts on ANWR...................
ANWR projected reserves - 1.4 Million barrels of oil

ANWR contribution to US energy independence - 1.4 Million BLS = 18 months of US oil consumption at the present rate of demand.

At this point the ANWR oil reserve are just an estimate based on USGS geophysiics.

If exploration started tomorrow the first productive well is estimated to come on stream no earlier than 10 years.

No exploration has yet taken place and any company that begins exploration in ANWR today would not even be able to list the project on Amex due to Sarbannes/Oxley compliance rules.

Nor would any major oil producer be able to issue stock in an ANWR exploration venture until proven resources were discovered.

Sarbannes/Oxley stipulates that a resource is not proven unless it can be brought to market, meaning the infrastructure exists to deliver it.

So under the Sarbannes/Oxley rules only a major oil company would be able to underwrite the project even though small exploration companies have a much higher success rate in finding deposits.

The Trans Alaska Pipeline is in a woefull state of repair and will have to be upgreaded and extended.

Add to that AMWR contains mostly natural gas which will require new pipelines and compressor facilities.

And hear's the clincher - Alberta Oil Sands reserves = 175 BILLION barrels of PROVEN resources according to NI 43-101 compliance rules but not Sarbannes/Oxley.

So according to the USGS which follows Sarbannes/Oxley resource guidlines the 175 BILLION barrels of oil in Alberta do not exist even though several million barrels of Alberta heavy crude cross the US border every day.

Compared to the Alberta Oils Sands project which is geopolitically secure, in production and includes strict environmental and reclamation controls, ANWR is unproven, will not see production until several years after Bush leaves office and has no environmental protection regime attached to it.

In fact by it's very nature the ANWR project is a net environmental destroyer.

To add insult to injury the ammount of oil that will be recovered in terms of world consumption would have no noticable impact on US oil supply and prices let alone the world market.

This project has no economic rationalle. The primary reason for pushing it forward is to prove to the World and the American people the will of BUSH Co cannot be resisted or denied.

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gjb Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:17 AM
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64. Correction................
Alberta daily output is 200,000 barrels not the several million cited.

Still that means that the Oil Sands ships the equivelant of the TOTAL ANWR reserve every week.

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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:49 AM
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66. just called Warner - told him we NOTICED he voted AGAINST
protecting benefit levels of Social Security from cuts.

he voted FOR the banking industry and AGAINST his constituents on the bankruptcy bill.

that we noticed he has FORGOTTEN his promise to follow the trail of Abu Ghraib no matter how high it went and see that justice was served.

HE DAMN WELL BETTER NOT VOTE TO OPEN ANWAR.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:03 AM
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67. just hit up MD sarbannes and mikulski NT
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:52 PM
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68. As the Senate debates ANWR, guess what HISTORY CHANNEL is broadcasting?
I was channel surfing. CSPAN2 is covering the Cantwell amendment. At the same time, the HISTORY CHANNEL is broadcasting "Modern Marvels: OIL" "The oil industry, from the digging of the first well in the 1850's to the geopolitical of the late 20th century".

As Senator Cantwell had just finished saying that any oil from ANWR would not necessarily go to the USA, rather enter the global supply chain, I flipped to HC to see the building of the Alaska pipeline.

Unbelievable.
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