Hawaii DEMs SOLD OUT to the GOP! FORGET HAWAII!

[LeftHander]

Akaka and Inoyue sold out to the GOP.

What reason would Inoyue and Akaka have for casting these votes to open the door to ANWR drilling. The only conclusion I can make is that they made a backroom deal to protect and to gain support for a project or some type of special attention form the GOP that will greatly benefit or protect Hawaii for years to come.

The GOP somehow made it clear to them vote with us and we will make good things happen for Hawaii.

Watch the coming months and we'll revisit this and learn that Inoyue and Akaka sold out to the GOP. The GOP made the threats....with us and Hawaii will continue. Vote against us and Hawaii will get nothing.

Everything is on the bagining table with these fucking bastard repugs. They are abusing power and extorting votes....


Wait and see.


Hawaii GONE! It no longer exists to me. It is just another rich repug playground.

Because of the spinelss bastard Inouye and Akaka...I will NEVER SPEND ONE DIME THERE.

These senators want to play politics with the future of the environment and protect thiere little kingdon then it is time for payback...

BOYCOTT ALL EXPORTS.

Pineapple
Coffee
Cane Sugar
Macadamia Nuts

And most important

NO MORE VACATIONS in Hawaii....

[CountAllVotes]

1. sell-out bastards

I don't support sell-outs.

So to hell with their toxic pineapple and all of the other bogus crap.

I plan to never to visit or spend money on the Hawaiian Islands again! :grr:

They can keep their 50th state! :argh:

:kick:

[candle_bright]

2. Stop already! Please!

This is unbelievable that people are calling to punish/boycott Hawaii because of TWO SENATORS.

Boycott if you must, but realize that you are advocating hurting the people of Hawaii NOT Akaka and Inouye. If you can live with that, go for it. Just don't think you are claiming any high moral ground while you do it.

Hawaii is my home state and I sure as hell didn't vote for drilling ANWR! But throw me under the bus anyway, right?

[Walt Starr]

5. Maybe Hawaii will learn and replace them

Sorry, I had been planning on a possible Hawaii vacation. No way am I going there now!

[candle_bright]

9. You'll succeed in "teaching Hawaii a lesson"

But the lesson will be that a bunch of people with misplaced anger are targeting the people of Hawaii for a vote they didn't cast themselves.

[Walt Starr]

14. Yes, they did cast the votes themselves

When they elected Akaka and Inouye.

[candle_bright]

20. And who are YOUR representatives?

I'd like to know so I can hold all of their individual votes that I find reprehensible against you. You elected them, after all, and as such you are personally responsible for each and every decision they make.

Give me a break.

[Walt Starr]

41. My Senators are

Dick Durbin and Barack Obama.

[candle_bright]

42. Off the top of my head

didn't Obama vote to confirm either Gonzales or Condi, or both? I seem to remember a big uproar about that.

Shame on you, Walt Starr! The state of Illinois must pay dearly! :silly:

[Walt Starr]

45. Obama voted to confirm Condi

and I hold it against him greatly and will not forget it in 2010.

[LeftHander]

8. Sorry if you get caught under the bus....

But people are REALLY UPSET at this....

ANWR first the the eastern Gulf of Mexico, The COast of California, the Rocky mountains...it is all up for grabs now because of your selfish senators.

Had they voted the other way have no doubts the GOP would of been very hard on Hawaii....much harder than a exports and tourism boycott may have.

But WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE!

I suggest you start writing letters and start getting on your senators case.

The people of Hawaii SHOULD be as dismayed.

Or are you too busy surfing in your pristine tropical waters.

[candle_bright]

15. You're from Wisconsin

according to your letter in the other thread. Hell, maybe I'll find some stuff YOUR representatives have done and call for a boycott of Wisconsin. Sounds just great. Why stop there, let's boycott all 50 states because there are surely sucky votes by all representatives! :eyes:

[catgirl]

24. Were they hounded?

I wrote to my despicable repub Senator (Coleman) and am shocked that he voted yea. I'm sure he got TONS of e-mails.

[LeftHander]

26. Not as transparent and sucky as Inoyue and Akaka

In wiscsonsin we stopped strip mining, we stopped oil wells along lake superior.

We are trying to stop sewage dumping into Lake Michigan. We are pressruing the forestry industry to stop clear cutting on private forest lands. We couldn't stop a coal burner, set to dump mercury and all kinds of crap into our air.

We are one step away from taking to the streets in mass all over this country.

SOME HOW, SOMEWAY we have to get this sleeping nation to wake up.

If it means boycotting the pinnacle resort destination in America then so be it.

We are all suffering here, jobs leaving, pollution choking our skies, gasoline prices skyrocketing, contaminiated drinking water, our sons, daughters, fathers and mother dying in war based on lies...and it is only going to get worse for everyone until people start sharing the pain.

SO either help of get the hell out the way.

[candle_bright]

33. "The pinnacle resort destination"

The people who WORK at these resorts, hotels, etc, are the ones who will be slapped.

They might be nameless, faceless nobodies to YOU but I know many of them. They need these jobs to feed their families.

Akaka and Inouye, on the other hand, will not lose so much as a spoonful of food out of their mouths over any boycott. Be certain about that.

[CountAllVotes]

21. next .................

Link with interesting "case history" so to speak (dated Sept. 10, 2004):

<< ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - Sacred lands in the West became further endangered as the Bush administration pressed for approval of a record number of new oil and gas drilling permits, targeting unspoiled pristine wilderness, including the Rocky Mountain region.
The Environmental Working Group, a consumer watchdog group, released a comprehensive report of oil and gas leases in the West, showing many American Indian sacred places have been targeted.

Other areas in Indian country have never been reclaimed from previous drilling and mining, which have left trails of uranium tailings, scarred lands, tainted waterways and foul air.

After taking office, the Bush administration developed a task force to facilitate industry requests and fast track requests for oil and gas drilling. Now, the Bureau of Land Management has increased drilling permits by 70 percent since the Clinton administration. >>

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=9116...

:grr:

[ronnykmarshall]

32. Nice stereotype of Hawaiians.

:eyes:

[atreides1]

35. To All

This is my theory, Akaka sold his vote so that he can bring up his bill regarding Hawaiian Sovreignty, so that native Hawaiians can be recognized by the US Government, just like native Americans here in the mainland.

In my opinion he threw his vote away, because just like the missionaries who came to Hawaii, and made promises, and then betrayed
the Hawaiian people, the Republican leadership will betray Akaka.

My history, I'm Hawaiian/Portuguese/African/Caucasian, I was born and raised in Hawaii, my mother's maiden name is Pahia. I now live in Arizona, and I'm not to proud of the politicos here either.

Akaka sold out the Hawaiian belief of love and respect for the land, all for a promise that will never be kept. Inouye, I'm not sure why he voted for ANWR.

Akaka may have more Hawaiian blood then I, but he does not have the Hawaiian spirit.

For the others here, do not blame the people of Hawaii for the failings of both Akaka and Inouye, they put their trust in both of these men, and now just like with the missionaries they have been betrayed again by those that they trusted.

[sandnsea]

36. Hawaii didn't want that vote

I don't believe for one minute the people of Hawaii supported that vote. DO SOMETHING. YOU make them pay. That's all some of us are saying. If it means causing some financial pain in order for people in various states to wake up and demand their Senators vote for THEM, then I guess we have to do it. Nothing else is working.

[catgirl]

3. Do you have a list of the votes handy?

[Walt Starr]

7. Right here

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00052

[Selatius]

4. What the hell do you expect from politicians?

Politicians, in my honest opinion, are lowly creatures who do not deserve much trust if any. There are a few exceptions, but they are that: Exceptions. In general, I'd say you are better off expecting more from your neighbors and friends than you are with politicians. When pretty much half the Democrats in the Senate voted for the bankruptcy bill, for instance, what does that tell you?

Does that mean raise your expectations? No, it means you should lower them accordingly.

[catgirl]

10. We need to let them know who runs the show

We elect them (when the vote isn't rigged, that is). Any dem Senator who voted for this is history. You want to run in the future? Then vote the way we want you to vote, period.

[Selatius]

17. They are not listening to you; this is always the nature of politics

They get you to vote them into power, and once they get the power, they may or may not do as you want them. That's the rules of the game, and it has been since the beginning of this Republic. If you get burned by your senator, you really have no recourse until six years later when he comes up for another election, and chances are you are going to vote for the sucker again given the choice between him--a petty, moronic politician--and a thoroughly corporate-owned Republican.

You are only given two choices at the ballot according to the electoral laws of the country. It's either a Republican or a Democrat, and chances are if you are a pragmatist, you'd rather take the tainted Democrat over the corporatist Republican.

[The White Tree]

28. That is a line from a song by Alice Peacock

Essentially -

The song is called - I'll Start With Me

The Lyric -

"Politicians stay in office, far to long to vote their concious"

"They've forgotten that they work for us"

It's a great song.

[Skip Intro]

6. Pettition Dean to find NEW Dems to challenge those two next primaries

Landreiu too.

Let's replace them with Dems who'll vote with Dems.

[underpants]

11. I say we send them to an island

[GregW]

22. In the middle of the Pacific

[The White Tree]

12. Statement of Sen Daniel K. Akaka from his Website

<http://www.senate.gov/~akaka/speeches/2005316943.html>

Mr. President, I rise today in support of Alaska's indigenous peoples, the Alaska Natives. I will oppose the Cantwell amendment. My position is based on my experiences in Alaska when I visited the village of Kaktovik in 1995 and spoke to the Inupiat peoples who greatly desire this opportunity for economic self-determination. My position is not new -- I have remained firm in the position for the last 10 years. In developing this position I have met with individuals and organizations who have advocated on both sides of this issue.

For me, this vote is not a vote just about preservation of the environment versus development. It is a vote about the self-determination of an indigenous people and their homeland. The Inupiat, who live within the boundaries of the coastal plain, are a people with strong cultural values, and are deeply in touch with their environment and everything that lives there. It is the Inupiat who have been the caretakers of the Arctic region for thousands of years.

To some of my colleagues, the debate about ANWR is about energy. To others, it is about the environment. To me, ANWR is really about whether or not the indigenous people who are directly impacted have a voice about the use of their lands. The Inupiat know every mile, every curve in the landscape of the coastal plain, and every animal that must survive there, for their own survival depends on this. They have the greatest incentive of anyone to preserve their environment, including the plants and animals that live on the coastal plain, in order to maintain their way of life.

They too depend on the caribou and they have participated in the protection of the caribou while monitoring and working with the oil industry at Prudhoe Bay. Their experience has demonstrated that a careful balance is possible, and that preservation and development are not mutually exclusive. My colleagues, I do not live on the coastal plain. For that reason, I trust the wisdom and knowledge of those who have lived and cared for the land there for many, many generations.

Note: I'm just posting this in response to your post, not validating the Senators vote one way or the other.

[LeftHander]

16. That is an empty reason to vote for drilling...

To think that a native people that has been lied to, hunted and cheated for two centuries is suddenly going to to become darlings in the eyes of big oil and the power brokers in washington is ludicris.

This drilling is just another gift to the native peoples like the small pox infested blankets were 150 years ago.

[catgirl]

18. First destroy the environment, then destroy the people's way

Isn't that what white settlers did to the native americans in the
mid-west?

[The White Tree]

19. I can't find anything from the other senator other then

that he always voted for it. He probably has a similar view about the rigts of indigenous peoples to determine use of the land.

[LostInAnomie]

27. Something tells me that if they are depending on caribou for survival...

... that they don't really look to profit too much from land raping oil drilling.

Something also tells me that Akaka is trying to rationalize being a god damn, piece of shit, sell-out fucking whore.

[sandnsea]

38. Opening tribal lands

That's why a few Inupiat people support this, they want to open adjacent tribal land and reap the rewards. You can always find somebody who puts money over all and that's who Akaka has chosen to use as an excuse for voting on ANWR. Truth is, he's playing pork barrel games with Stevens.

[HereSince1628]

13. Self deleted...

Apparently I mis-navigated Akaka'a website

[RobertSeattle]

23. I think I'll go to Kauai and protest...

On the beach...
With a Mai Tai...

[Vinca]

25. Wait for me!

Then we can go over to Maui and picket on Kaanapali Beach.

[Dorian Gray]

37. I liked Kapalua, myself!

It was so peaceful! A great place for a protest!

[HereSince1628]

29. I don't know if this is right, but it seems Akaka's bill for recognition

of Hawaiian native claims is/was tied up with Stevens.

http://hawaiiislandjournal.com/stories/10b03a.html

[LeftHander]

30. big read but well worth it...

It showed the ties and the reasons behind Akakas stance. That he indeed stands to secure great benefits for the indiginous people of Hawaii for his vote on ANWR.

Reprehensible and quite selfish.

The GOP played him like a fiddle.

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. Ever consider that their long-term goal is to hasten the collapse

of the USA, thus allowing Hawaii to regain its independence?

Makes as much sense as anything.

[LeftHander]

34. Not bad.....but then that is as bad as Bush and Iraq...

but interesting...

[Blue to the bone]

39. Maybe these senators just did what they see as the best thing for...

...their constituents?

[Fleshdancer]

40. Call the DNC and demand strong grassroots funding for Hawaii and Alaska

I've said this in another thread already, but the tactic of writing off states is NOT working for Democrats. We need to make our presence and our anger known and we do that by finding candidates worthy of the House and Senate starting NOW.

I don't care if these Senators/Representatives (Akaka,Inouye for example) are up for re-election in '06, '08, or '10...we let them know their days are numbered as of right NOW. If the right has taught us anything, it's that a small group of pestering loud mouths can effectively control the conversation. The small group of pestering loud mouths might as well be us and not them, right?

[NoPasaran]

43. Quit picking on Hawaii!

Jeez, the irrational emotion on this board is just amazing! Yesterday Alaska, today Hawaii... who's on deck for tomorrow's Two Minute Hate?

[candle_bright]

44. Bwahaha!!!

You nailed it!

[nolabels]

46. Who should we pick on then, Biden in Delaware?

Yea, I don't like the anger either, but it will become necessary and inevitable in the coming times. We have seen nothing yet I am assuming. I am happy they are getting angry about things and hope it continues.

This is where it gets tested, the time government has to answer to bosses, in we the people. Them people packing the Halls of congress and the capital have no answers and they will get called on it, and in the near future, you can put money on it.

Please don't bother trying to give us their redeemable qualities, we know who all of the good ones are already, the rest should be thrown out with the pig swill they came in with.


(snip)
On the Laws

This dialogue is also badly mutilated, and may never have been finished. In it Cicero lays out the laws that would be followed in the ideal commonwealth described in On the Republic. Finding the source of law and justice, he says, requires explaining "what nature has given to humans; what a quantity of wonderful things the human mind embraces; for the sake of performing and fulfilling what function we are born and brought into the world; what serves to unite people; and what natural bond there is between them." Philosophy teaches us that by nature human beings have reason, that reason enables us to discover the principles of justice, and that justice gives us law. Therefore any valid law is rooted in nature, and any law not rooted in nature (such as a law made by a tyrant) is no law at all. The gods also share in reason, and because of this they can be said to be part of a community with humanity. They care for us, and punish and reward us as appropriate. Much of what remains of this dialogue is devoted to religious law.
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