If you make a mistake, or appear to, you are dogshit to many at DU...

[kentuck]

no matter if it is Jon Stewart, Bono, Bill Maher, Tom Harken, or fill in the blank, there is no room for any to stray from the flock on any issue. It doesn't have to be a "pattern" of deception, it only has to be one "betrayal". But is this good? Sooner or later, we will look around and there will only be you and I. In my opinion, we should not be so quick to vilify those that we know are on our side. Just meant as constructive criticism. :)

[ret5hd]

1. You and I? don't be so sure, kentuck...

I've been watching you for a while, and I expect a slip VERY soon. }(

[deutsey]

2. I been out of the loop: what did Steward allegedly do?

[AlCzervik]

6. He made some comments about...gasp Bono and someone here

shit a brick and got their panties in a wad about it. This is not the first time Jon's been horse whipped here.

[deutsey]

8. Oh for goodness sake.

As much as I may like a lot of U2's music, Bono is a huge sacred cow who deserves to be made into hamburger occassionally.

[Cuban_Liberal]

3. Like the poor, the perpetually disgruntled shall always be with us.

;)

[guinivere]

34. LOL , true nt

[Dogmudgeon]

4. No bother

I don't post here to be voted Most Popular DUer. I have been "attacked" many times, and my reaction has usually been "so f%#king what?"

Although I myself have overstepped the bounds of good taste and Democratic solidarity, I work diligently to support people with whom I disagree on particular issues, as well as my "friends". It's the only way to be involved in political action, in my opinion.

And gawd help us if we ever turn on each other.

--p!

[sui generis]

16. right there with you

in fact, I was recently called "Mr. Congeniality", for not being very congenial I suppose. Although I've kissed and made up with the original poster, it was still a badge of honor.

People love factions. We love to belong to groups and to claim that OUR group is right. So it is sad that within DU there are self-proclaimed arbiters of Absolute Truth who are so willing to give us the mighty We in their opinions, and claim that anyone who doesn't agree is a freeper.

Personally, although I shouldn't admit it, I do get some malicious fun out of pointing out that sticks and stones . . . do not make me a freeper.

[Dogmudgeon]

23. Like kids, in a way

Many kids, especially boys, love to fight, even if the fighting is for play, or based on "symbols" like plastic soldiers.

I don't think that's all too bad, but adults tend to lose sight of the Big Picture, and it's especially true among progressives; the conservatives accept the need for aggression and combat. Although it leads to disastrous political programs, they have better solidarity because they deal with in-group aggression better.

Or maybe my brain has sprung a leak again ... any con/divergent ideas?

--p!

[sui generis]

26. well, it's validation

the idea that if a lot of us believe the same thing, it must be right, and if you don't believe exactly the same thing, you must be excommunicated. I usually find that people who spew that way are talking-point-repeaters anyway, and not original thinkers, and we certainly have as many on this side of the fence as on the other.

Not a very liberal/progressive way of thinking, but very human.

[aintitfunny]

5. I agree with you

Unfortunately,I think it is the nature of the beast. People who have an avid interest in things political have strong belief systemsare very opinionated and outspoken about it. I don't think it is true of the majority here, but there will always be the few who tend to be harsh first and ask questions later.

[MemphisTiger]

7. I agree

some here sound like freeper if you don't agree verbatim with their opinion

[Ron Green]

9. Remember, Love is.....

always being willing to say you're sorry.

[he lied us into war]

10. I oppose censorship - Unless there's a reason for it, of course

That's the attitude everybody in america takes, both left and right.

[kentuck]

11. No offense intended but...

we need to save our ammunition for the real enemies, not our allies. :)

[John Q. Citizen]

12. It's a free country and a reletively free forum.

If there wasn't a difference of opinion on celebrities, politicians or jouralists it would be pretty scary.

I don't share your fears, Kentuck.



speling on edit

[kentuck]

18. Obviously, you have gone to the "dark side"...

:)

[John Q. Citizen]

36. And boy was it fun...

for a while. But they wanted too much for a micro brew. Now I drink at the "far side." More bang for the buck and a far groovier crowd...

Once I even met David and Julie (Nixon) Eisenhower at a Republican function in small town Northern CAL while I was in high school. I found myself face to face with the daughter of "The mad bomber of Indochina"; Now that was scary!

[babylonsister]

13. Good point, kentuck!

I've stifled myself on occasion because of the backlash I knew would come. There are ways to constructively criticize or disagree vs. 'calling someone out' for expressing an opinion.

[LynneSin]

14. Yeah, I know - been there done that

:eyes:

I'm from Delaware, I need to give up everything and do all in my powers to get Joe Biden & Tom Carper out of office or I'm dogdirt at DU.

Seriously...I'd rather get Rick Santorum out of office - I'd be happy to make the 30 minute drive north to Philly in order to help the cause!

[Mizmoon]

19. All of us New Yorkers are supposed to hate Hillary

even though she replaced the vile, horrible Al D'Amato and is a breath of rational, fresh air after his nasty presence.

God help you if you want her re-elected Senator or nominated for President. You'd think you were posting on the FR from the responses...

[Bluzmann57]

15. Well as I said about Harkin earlier

He voted in favor of the Schiavo bill, but he is a man of faith, who is commited to the rights of the disabled. His vote didn't match the thinking of some here in DU. But as an Iowan, I am proud to have Tom Harkin as my Senator. He does a novel thing, he actually tries to look out for the people of Iowa, which is where he's from, as opposed to the other way around. In other words, he gets it. He was elected to represent Iowa in the U.S.Senate, and chooses to put Iowans first often times. I just wish our representative here in the first district did that. And if that is the only "mistake" Harkin makes, then there is nothing wrong with him at all. After all, he, like all other Americans, has a right to his opinion, whether one agrees with them or not. Interesting thoughts btw Kentuck. We need to have disagreement every now and then. It keeps the lines of discussion open.
on edit-I may get flamed for this, but I think U2 is way overrated. Bono got mentioned, so I just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth.

[kentuck]

20. But we shouldn't forget he is the author of the ADA...

Americans with Disabilities Act !

[H2O Man]

17. I agree.

It foolish to expect everyone else to agree with you on everything. It's immature to think in limited "black vs white" terms. We have to allow people to have different opinions on various topics, without seeing them as our enemy.

[XemaSab]

21. Too often

having a different opinion is seen as "making a mistake," and the fact of the matter is that there are many issues on which reasonable people can disagree.

[BiggJawn]

22. Old Democratic Tradition...

"The Circular Firing Squad".

Oh, what a fickle bunch we are....

[seabeyond]

24. yA, well you are right, but.....with maher, i get to say

a lot of what he says is shit............lol lol even if i am not vilifying him or ostracizing him, it is still shit, and not very deep thinking shit, that is spilling out of his mouth, lo lol

you are right too. i see this with what we do to all dems. have never hung out with dems. but wow, they are a tough lot, lol

[Cuban_Liberal]

25. We need to remember that many of the people are *entertainers*.

We get sucked in to the 'he/she is famous, therefore they should know....' crap just as often as the RW does. Bottom line is this: these people really don't know more than anyone else, most of the time.

[seabeyond]

28. well, i know this, lol lol it is the entertainer that doesnt get it n/t

[Armstead]

27. You've made it onto my ignore list.

Just kidding. :evilgrin:

I agree with you. We have to be careful not to become as narrow minded as the otehr side.

[Stirk]

29. It's one of the things I hate around here.

Opinions turn on a dime.

The thing that's really fucking annoying are the inevitable, "I always thought he/she was a plant", "I knew there was a reason I didn't trust him/her", etc. posts that instantly spring up. It's such lock-step, conformist stupidity.

[Undercover Owl]

37. well lately

it seems like there really have been some "plants", if I'm understanding your use of the word. It's just a trust issue.

Last night there was a big ol nasty thread that got pulled, and probably a couple of disruptors got kicked out, too. It deserved to be pulled because it was so obviously going against the spirit of DU.

But then, there are people who do a fairly innocent thing such as defend Nancy Grace, then fur starts flying.

[Name removed]

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[kentuck]

31. But, in defense of DUers.....

We are mostly a forgiving lot. Although I don't know the details of your "transgression", most of the time, comments that are in disagreement witht the "force" are ridiculed and mocked, but are not "usually" cause for banishment unless it is downright "traitorous" - as in defending Bush and/or his policies quite vociferously.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. It is a shame that disagreements with people on a message board

would cause one to become a Right winger. I disagree with many on this board, yet none of them will ever keep me from being a liberal and proud of it. Your statement rings extremely hollow. :hi:

[ScreamingMeemie]

33. kentuck, so much of it is just blowing off steam. It irritated the hell

out of me the way Jon Stewart handled the DNC chair thing. I am really pissed at those senators who voted for IWR. That was betrayal IMO. The key word being opinion. :hi:

[kentuck]

35. I criticized them also...

severely...But, it's like your brother that get's caught drinking and driving....do you banish him from your family forever? Perhaps a bad analogy? :)