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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:23 PM
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How to Convince a Conservative, JohnnyCougar style.
Many people here and on other boards lament the short attention span of Americans, and how they forget about reality and facts. Of course, this gets correctly applied to Bush supporters on DU. But is this really an American problem? Is this just an anecdote that frustrated liberals use to somehow rationalize conservatives' support for Bush?

Is it true that conservatives do not base their support for Bush on quantifiable information at all? The answer is most likely yes, and the reason is not inherent to Americans or conservatives. We all have short attention spans, at least when it comes to evaluating one's behaviors. It has to do with how we process and store information about others. I actually just reviewed a study about this (for my personnel psychology class) but I found an applicable connection to politics that I will elaborate upon here.

The way managers evaluate an employee's performance is very similar to the way voters evaluate a president's performance (I am inferring).

In this example, Election Day can be seen as the evaluation, and everything leading up to it the behavior being evaluated. There are two types of recall people use to evaluate observed behavior. If the evaluation period comes immediately after the performance being evaluated, people use a memory-based rating model, in which they:

Observe Behavior --> Store Behavior --> Recall Behavior --> Evaluate Behavior --> Vote


This is the typical recall procedure for immediate rating of a behavior (within a few hours). Notice that we store the actual behavior in memory, and recall the actual behavior. We then make the judgment afterwards when we are about to evaluate/vote.

Any longer than a few hours, and this model falls apart. People forget facts and specific behaviors, and thus it seems we get a nation with a short attention span. If people don't write specific behaviors down, they will forget about them. Then how do we evaluate someone using long-term recall? What strategy do we use to evaluate performance long after the performance period has passed? The process is known as On-Line Integration. This process is detailed here:

Observe Behavior --> Evaluate Behavior --> Store Judgment --> Recall Judgment --> Vote


So, in other words, people don't remember specific behaviors when forming an impression of a person...they form a judgment after the first couple minutes, and remember the judgment, not the behavior. This judgement is used to create a larger image of the person being evaluated, and the voter relies on this generalized image rather than facts when voting.

What practical implications does this have? It means that you're not going to win an argument with most conservatives by debating facts, what Bush did, and what Bush didn't do. Conservatives don't remember facts when deciding whether they like Bush or not, they rely on a general judgment impression. Trying to dismantle this general impression with facts and actual examples of behavior is like trying to huff and puff and blow a brick house down.

No, to convince a conservative, you have to appeal to their general impression about Bush. Give a little ground. Acknowledge what they are saying. "Yeah...I hated Saddam Hussein, too. And Bin Laden is Pure trash!" But then subtly attack Bush's character impression by saying "But I just don't trust Bush...he is too connected to big oil and Wall Street. And he's out of touch with America. I just don't think he gets it."

I PROMISE you that this approach will go much farther than trying to debate facts. Anyone with the ability to analyze facts is already on the Democrats' side right now, anyways (except for the super powerful, who are glad they are making billions of this scam of a war). I know it doesn't make any sense to ignore specific facts and go with feelings and general impressions, but you will win. Research backs it up (Sanchez, J. I. & De La Torre, P. 1996. A second look at the relationship between rating and behavioral accuracy in performance appraisal. Journal of Applied Psychology, 81(1), 3-10.) And I know from first hand experience. I have been massaging some dittoheads for quite some time now, and they all are less than enamored by Bush.

Bush has left the door wide open for character criticisms with his Social Security scam and this Terri Schiavo BS. Go to work, people! Tell your conservative friends that you just don't trust Bush anymore because of his connections to Wall Street and the Religious Right!
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:26 PM
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1. Bam! Just what we need to hear.
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 01:27 PM by Lone Pawn
I do hope the 'maybe if we just tell the truth again this time we'll have a different result than we did the last four times' crowd listens. They probably won't. Partisan screeching and bickering is easier than manipulation.

Oh, and Nominated.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:33 PM
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2. Thanks!
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:38 PM
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4. Oh, BTW...
This is exactly why the Democrats were stupid for not pushing the BCCI story. That story had direct benefit to Kerry's CHARACTER. It was the most powerful weapon in their arsenal, yet the Democrats were too spineless to use it becuase although it implicated many Republicans, it also implicated a few of their own.

BCCI would have won the election for Kerry no questions asked. I said that before the election, and I still say it now. Thank you for losing for us, Bob Shrum.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:34 PM
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3. excellent! nominating.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:39 PM
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5. Hey, great stuff!
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 01:43 PM by electropop
After all, though my opinions of Bushco are (I like to think) based on factual disagreement with him, and based on numerous specific bad behaviors (i.e. lying), it certainly adds up to a very visceral dislike. Playing into generalized emotions and stereotypes could just do it.... Also, can we optimize these messages to appeal more specifically to real conservative values?

Examples...hmm...

Did Christ preach frequently that we should treat the less fortunate with compassion, or is that my imagination? Is Bushco following Christ's lead by cutting every compassionate social program, and by treating the rich with special favors (tax cuts)?

Did Jesus cast the money lenders from the temple? Is Bush keeping this in mind as he indebts us to foreigners, to the tune of trillions of dollars?

Did Jesus urge people to forgive a prostitute, and treat her with human decency? Is this consistent with the control-freak condemnation the right shows to anybody who deviates in any way from their arbitrary and narrow sexual standards?

I'm pretty sure I recall there wasa Commandment against lying. It's pretty widely accepted that Bushco lied to take us to war, and is now lying about Social Security. Even Repukes are not buying his SS BS, and it should be exploited and characterized as a sign of a dishonest character.

I was raised religious enough to remember these things, and frankly they stuck with me a lot longer than the supernatural/mystical stuff. I think these are the true core beliefs of christianity, and by directly contrasting them with RW behavior, we may force a few people to feel some discomfort.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:39 PM
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6. We have certainly become a judgment-driven culture.
I'll have to chew on this theory. I think it leaves out the additional facet of emotional gauging (or rather the use of emotional blackmail).

Thank you for sharing this interesting theory.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 02:05 PM
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13. Yes, by all means, this is not comprehensive...
If it were, I'd be heading up the Democratic Presidential campaign in 2008!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:41 PM
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7. Johnny Cougaaaaaaaar ! (cue trumpets)
Right on. You got it. You said it.

They don't call him Johnny Cougaaaaaar for nothing !

Johnny Cougaaaaaar ! (cue trumpets)

(Have you been approached yet for tv rights to your name? DU wants in on the action.)
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:29 PM
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23. I think I'd have copyright infringements!
John Cougar Mellencamp might object...even though my name has nothing to do with him!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:43 PM
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8. kick... the fraud exposed in a nice write -up
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:44 PM
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9. By George, I think he's got it!
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toad12 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:44 PM
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10. Thanks for this, I am going to give it a try.
I am going to try this with my father in-law. I've been trying to get him to see Bush for the evil chimp he truly is. My father in-law used to be a Democrat, but after Sept. 11th he drank the kool-aid.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:45 PM
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18. Hi toad12!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:46 PM
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11. This is great stuff
I also nominated it for the front page.

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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 02:04 PM
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12. THIS IS HOT!!
It follows two other studies I've seen about how Bush supporters seem to be able to suspend reality to maintain their attitudes.

I have assimilated it and will employ it in my email address list immediately!
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 02:46 PM
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14. Thanks, a productive research-based approach
Come to think of it, is there a point at which the stored judgment can't be maintained? Some point of betrayal, or is it a gradual shift?
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:11 PM
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15. Well that certainly explains a lot.
And some folks cling vigorously to their judgments, it's like they willfully choose not to let them go. Thankfully others are more susceptible to glimpses of reality, as long as it doesn't come with those pesky facts. :-)

Maybe it's just me, but, don't you think George looks just a bit to in earnest when he talks about social security, kind of like a snake oil salesman? If it's such a good idea shouldn't it just sell itself?
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:37 PM
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17. BIngo!
That's just it.

"Yeah...I used to kind of like the guy...but he really looks like a snake oil salesman trying to sell Social Security. I don't think I trust him anymore. The re-election got to his head."
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:36 PM
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22. Yours is even better!
:bounce:

I'll keep practicing.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:54 PM
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16. I think you found the magic key
that the cons have known for awhile

:)
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:00 PM
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19. great post, kick!
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 06:01 PM by SheepyMcSheepster
one question,

are these models yours or is this from what you were studying about evaluation:

Observe Behavior --> Store Behavior --> Recall Behavior --> Evaluate Behavior --> Vote


Observe Behavior --> Evaluate Behavior --> Store Judgment --> Recall Judgment --> Vote


just curious, thanks

very interesting post, i have never really made it past the fact that people will simply believe what they want to believe despite the evidence, but here seems to be a practical method that one could use to communicate with someone for whom facts fail.
i like it.

i can't help but feel that people of power had figured this out long ago. Facts in the long run don't really matter as long as know how you "feel" or "perceive" something.


edit: nominated :D
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:15 PM
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20. I did not develop the models...they were developed by others.
Those models are common knowledge among psychologists. I have no doubt that Rove knows about them.

But yes, this explains why facts are useless against Republicans. Quite simply, they don't like Bush based on facts. The formed their judgment about him BEFORE the facts came out about the war, and about his lying and deceit. Therefore, knowing the facts later will not change their judgment.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:22 PM
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21. ADDITIONALLY
When I say attack Bush's character, don't atack it by being harsh. A gentle massage is more effective.

ON a different subject, Bush supporters personally identify wiht Bush, so they take personally any attack on him. It is the same as if you were saying THEY are a corrupt liar.

Remember, conservatives are insecure and weak. No one can be secure with their beliefs yet put up with the kind of cognitive dissonance it takes to support Bush despite the facts. REmember, Bush isn't realy even a conservative. Be nice to your conservative friends, tell them you understand...tell them you "want to like Bush, but you just don't trust him." The "Bush is a goddamned idiot" rhetoric will go nowhere fast.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:28 PM
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24. Kick!
:kick:
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:51 PM
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25. another kick
:kick:
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 12:43 PM
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30. Another kick...
for those who haven't seen it today.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 12:01 AM
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26. Kickity kick nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:32 AM
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27. You've got it, that's it
I just think he's in over his head on Iraq, they still don't have electricity in that country. I'm not sure he's thought this Social Security thing through, it doesn't even make it solvent.

Reminds me of an elderly southern woman I called during the campaign, the fact that it has stuck with me should have rung a bell...

"I just don't think that man is smart."

I about fell off my chair laughing, but that was the ticket to winning.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:38 AM
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28. LOL But I'm sure his heart is in the right place.
:eyes:
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 11:59 AM
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29. LOL!
When I was up in Milwaukee handing out fliers for a John Edwards rally, I ran into this conservative looking family. I asked the husband if he wanted free tickets to the upcoming John Edwards rally. The family looked like the typical conservatively dressed suburban family (the dad was wearing a polo shirt and some leather casual dress shoes). I thought for sure I would get a "fuck off" or something like that. He said "No thanks, I'm from out of town and won't be here that day."

I was like, "that figures."

But then after thinking about it, he turns to me and says, "On second thought, let me hand them out to my family. Give me a bunch of them! We're from North Carolina, and we have the worst goddamned bunch of fucking Republicans down there..."

I nearly laughed my ass off!
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