Jeb: "Remain calm" but vigilant re: Schiavo ruling

[katinmn]

during his press conference.

Said Frist concluded from videotape, and "extensive review" that Schiavo was not in a PVS state.

Said even a "common criminal" is allowed food and water.

Christ. This thing is gonna blow.

[4_Legs_Good]

1. That's Frist's expert opinion

from viewing a video tape? He now knows more than doctors taking care of her for 15 years?

:eyes:

david

[onenote]

2. yeah and we gas/electocute/hang criminals

Would he prefer that for Terri? Stupid analogies deserve stupid comments.

onenote

[Avalux]

3. No!

He didn't go there, did he? Frist CANNOT diagnose Terri Schiavo from that rediculous videtape! :wtf:

[CottonBear]

13. He already diagnosed her days ago.

He deserves to lose his license along with the other Republican congressmen/doctors who made the same pronouncements.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I hope we re seeign the death throws, no pun intended

of the power that the right wing has

[aintitfunny]

5. Frist should have his medical license revoked

and Jeb is just an idiot, but what else is new.

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. You mean Frist, the guy who thinks you can get AIDS from sweating...

That guy? :eyes:

[katinmn]

7. now he's claiming she's not in a PVS

OMG. I know 18,000 neurologists are really pissed about this. They wrote the guidelines.

[sarcasmo]

8. Come on Jeb your brother the King wants you to practice this trial run of

Martial Law. Then the King will know how to run it smoothly in 08.

[onenote]

9. jeb bush knows we were visited by an alien from Ork

Cause he saw it on video.

onenote

[dave29]

10. Damnit Jeb, I'm a Doctor, not a Senator

no wait, I am a Senator, and a Doctor! I also torture kittens and believes AIDS can be transimitted through tears, and can make diagnoses via videotape.

I am that good.

[seabeyond]

11. and hte thing it is ALL repugs putting on this show

hannity in hospital room, jeb, georgie delay judges christian coalition randall

it is allllllll repugs putting on this show

gotta explode

[tridim]

12. They're talking about taking protective custody

Just try it, you fuckers.

This is just unbelievable. They're overplaying their already overplayed hand.

[katinmn]

17. They have to pay the piper (they owe 2004 to the fundies)

[huskerlaw]

14. Yes, but we also allow common house animals

to die with dignity. She's being treated worse than my cat, but that doesn't seem to bother them. :grr:

[Lorien]

28. I keep thinking about that

I put down my 17 year old kitty Jasper last year when he went into kidney failure. I remembered how my father's cat had cried when he was unable to do the same for it (kidney failure is VERY painful) and eventually my father and his girlfriend rushed their kitty to the vet to have him put down; they were horrified that their beloved pet was in such horrible pain, with no chance for recovery. Yet, we allow the people in our lives to suffer horribly. I think Mrs. Shaivio has already "checked out", so she probably isn't suffering...still, I imagine my own shell being being kept alive in that manner, and it's a sickening and disturbing thought.

[huskerlaw]

30. I went through the same with my cat...

he had FIV and was quite uncomfortable. Sure, I struggled with the decision, but in the end realized that it was entirely selfish to keep him alive. I am ashamed that we don't do the same for humans.

However, I do agree that Terri doesn't have a clue what's going on. None of this is actually hurting her. But its a dignity issue. Instead of being remembered as a vibrant 27-year-old, the entire world will now know her as a vegetable who got paraded around on TV for years and became the center of a political power struggle. To me, in their attempts to keep her alive, they have dehumanized her.

Think about it...we know nothing about her life. What were her goals? Her passions? We don't have a clue. And yet, we can discuss the details of her illness and death in disgusting detail. It's a shame.

[Crankie Avalon]

15. What the hell kind of doctor makes "conclusions"...

...from watching videotape? Wouldn't any serious doctor say he can't make diagnoses through a television screen? Don't they have to perform an actual, in-person examination and maybe even, you know, be an actual specialist in whatever branch of medicine is applicable in the specific case?

No wonder this "doctor" is now in Congress.:eyes:

[onenote]

16. just pass a law making it illegal for her to be declared dead

Even if her brain/heart/lungs, everything stop working. Just pass a law that she's still entitled to all the rights of a living person.
Then everyone can be happy!

I'm brilliant!!

onenote

[katinmn]

18. A "prominent neurologist" has questions!??!

Well, the top coma/brain trauma neurologists in the country, probably the world, have already examined and diagnosed her. They had MRIs and CAT scans of her brain.

Knowing the Rethugs, it's probably a doc that lost his/her medical license, if they ever had one.

[Bluebear]

19. "Some people say!"

[Walt Starr]

20. Anybod have the name to feed into Quackwatch? n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

24. Dr William Cheshire of the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville...

...that's the name Jeb gave out.


Is this guy a Bush cousin? He sure does look like a Bush...

[Avalux]

25. He's a fundie nutjob -

“The astonishing pace of biotechnology is serving up critical issues in which the church needs to be engaged,” says Trinity Graduate School alumnus William P. Cheshire, Jr. (MA/Bioethics ’01). Bill is assistant professor of neurology at Mayo Clinic (Jacksonville, Fla.) and serves as adjunct faculty at Trinity Graduate School. He claims that, “even more than terrorism, bioethics presents us with the crucial decisions of our day that the church dare not ignore.” Certainly in today’s post-9/11 environment, there are many possible evil scenarios that can no longer be dismissed as unimportant or morally neutral. And yet, says Bill, there is “among many Christians the dangerous temptation to sit this one out.”

Admitting to his failed relationship with Christ, Bill realized that, “while for many years I had accepted Christian doctrine intellectually, I had not fully comprehended it in my heart.” This is when “I felt the Lord drawing me irresistibly closer to him. I put aside many things in my busy schedule, left behind the research projects that could have led to academic promotion, and started spending time daily studying the Bible with the purpose of getting to know the Lord. Reading the New Testament,” says Bill, “left me hungry for more, so I read the Old Testament, completing all of the Bible in four months.”




http://www.tiu.edu/trinitymagazine/fall2003/cheshire.htm

[Cooley Hurd]

27. Bang! Good catch!

He's a fundie nutjob - that SAYS IT ALL!:grr:

[katinmn]

29. Wow - a Mayo Clinic. physician

They are such a renowned institution, leading in scientfic research and medical therapies.

This is a surprise.

[ScreamingMeemie]

21. Frist is filing for his fellowship now...

:hi:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

23. This from a neurologist; not sure how...

"prominent." It was a LTE in yesterday's Wash Post:

"Much that has been written about the Terri Schiavo case has generated more heat than light. Some medical facts may help clarify the issues:

• PVS, or "cortical death," is the irreversible loss of the part of the brain controlling judgment and insight. Once cortical death occurs, personhood as we know it is gone.

• PVS victims open their eyes to light and will be startled at loud sounds.

• A PVS victim can be seen as a casualty of modern medicine -- able to jump-start a heart but not a brain. PVS is an unnatural state.

• Rarely, a PVS victim will "awaken," showing signs of communication, but he or she remains helpless -- blind, paralyzed and without short-term memory in varying but severe degrees of impairment.

• Withdrawing a feeding tube causes dehydration, not starvation. A feeding tube is artificial life support; there is no enjoyment of food. Drugs such as morphine can help keep the victim comfortable and peaceful during the dying process.

• Keeping a PVS victim "alive" usually costs more than $100,000 annually, often at taxpayers' expense.

Most neurologists encourage termination of life support when the diagnosis and prognosis are clear. Extending "life" causes an unnatural lack of healthy, spiritual closure for the family.

DAVID S. DAHL
Shorewood, Wis.

The writer is a neurologist."

[katinmn]

22. This is outrageous. Our country has stopped functioning

because the Bush Boys have to deliver to the f-ing fundies.

ARRGGGHH!!!

[Lorien]

26. So true; the same fundies who don't give a rat's ass

for the innocent dying at our hands in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the bloodbath in the Sudan. They only care for embryos and ONE woman without a functioning brain (who is now, apparently, the most important human being on planet earth). Madness!

[katinmn]

31. We are now in a Persistent Legislative State

Move On Without DeLay!