Could the Terri fiasco have happened in a state where the gov was not

[efhmc]

a repuke and a bush? Seriously, would this be going on if Florida was not the state Terri was vegetating in?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

1. This would never happen in MA. EVER.

We also have access to the best medical care here too. And we believe in MYOB-mind your own business. Privacy is very important.

[efhmc]

4. Well, a bush would not be able to be elected there as governor so we

probably would never have heard of this private family matter.

[Warpy]

17. Bullshit. All you need is some right to lifer with an axe to grind.

In the 70s, there was a cause celebre about a Dr. Edelin who had performed an emergency c-section on a woman carrying a nonviable fetus. Right to lifers sued, saying that Edelin had not tried to keep the fetus alive outside the uterus. The fetus fetishists finally lost, but it dragged through the courts for what seemed like an eternity.

Yes, it can happen in Massachusetts. It has. It can happen anywhere one of these hysterics can find a sympathetic lawyer who wants to make a big name for himself.

It's sick.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

22. You've obviously never lived in Massachusetts, and know nothing about our

political culture.

The right-wing funded a lot of state candidates like Ron Crews, a fundamentalist freak from Georgia. They sunk millions into these candidates, and they barely made a blip on the radar screen.

The RW has sunk tons of money to push for anti-gay marriage legislation. Guess what? Gay marriage is still legal in Mass., and no one listens to them.

We just had special elections where all the liberal, pro-gay, pro-choice state reps got elected.

It was a group of activist judges-the majority of whom were Republican-who said there was no basis in the Massachusetts constitution for marriage discrimination.

Massachusetts is a maverick liberal state. If there was a case similar to the Schiavo fiasco, it would take more than a crooked lawyer and RW money for this circus to happen.

[efhmc]

24. Please, please, stop bragging. You are making this Texan sick.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

27. Sorry

:shrug:

[Warpy]

29. I spent 20+ years in eastern Massachusetts, hon,

which is why I remember the Edelin case so clearly. YOU have obviously never spent much time in places like Southie, or you'd know that the state has its share of right to life hysterics.

It's easy to see Mass. as 100% liberal and enlightened when you live in a neighborhood full of either college kids or faculty types. Yes, there are a lot of educated people there. No, it's not universal, and like it or not, a lot of people are Catholics and a lot of those Catholics are staunch right to lifers.

To repeat, it's happened there before. I'd suggest researching the Edelin case.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

32. Well, hon, I grew up in a townie Catholic neighborhood, so there's no need

to patronize me. :eyes:

I'm over 40 also, so I do remember those right-to-life crackpots. I was also raised Catholic, and there were many more pro-choice Catholics than the freakshows you mention.

And those people in Southie that you mention still vote overwhelmingly Democratic. The younger generation is more concerned about affording to live in a very expensive, gentrified neighborhood like South Boston, than if a woman has an abortion or gays marry.

On edit: Massachusetts ain't Southie in the '70s anymore. Southie is now an integrated neighborhood, and so is Charlestown. Attitudes have changed.

[ET Awful]

30. Agreed completely. The people of Mass, despite a few bad seeds

would never permit this to reach this level.

If you don't live here, you really don't know the way things work :). There's a reason Mass in its entirety is viewed as being liberal, and it's not because we're a bastion of conservatism :).

[efhmc]

23. They have a very distorted view of privacy and of

personal freedom and rights. I think they really only honor a life they can have control over.

[HockeyMom]

25. Ditto NY

Just IMAGINE trying to get all of the NY State Legislature to come to an EMERGENCY session for something like THIS? ROFL "MAYBE we can give you some time - in about 6 months from now." I checked out that roster of the NY House members who even showed up for the emergency session of Congress. I think there were THREE from the entire state (All Republicans and All voted NO). Hey, be happy for small favors. THEY SHOWED UP.

Nope, this fiasco wouldn't happen here. We'd ALL be dead and buried before anything happened.

Just kidding. Couldn't pay me a million dollars to live aywhere else. Truth. GO BLUE!!!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

33. Tell that to Warpy

:eyes:

[BrklynLiberal]

2. I am sure Jeb's Presidential aspirations played a role in the locale

[efhmc]

6. You are probably right but I was thinking of how this would not have even

come to our notice if the exact same legal events happened somewhere else.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. Would NEVER have happened in Illinois...nope.

Dem Governor and Obama and Durbin for my Senators....both Dems. My Rep. is a RW asshole, Jerry Weller. :puke:

[rzemanfl]

5. It is seriously sounding like DCF and FDLE are going to try

to take Schiavo out of the hospice despite Greer's order. It is being covered on the local news as if it will actually happen shortly.

[efhmc]

7. Please tell me what those initials are. Thanks.

[rzemanfl]

12. DCF is Department of Children and Families (Social Services)

FDLE is Florida Department of Law Enforcement (armed and answer to the Governor).

[efhmc]

16. Different ititials here. I really wish they would give Terri to Jeb and

let him personally pay and care for her. These are really very evil, selfish people.

[rzemanfl]

31. Whenever something in Florida gets a bad name they rename

it, so much cheaper than fixing it.

[efhmc]

34. Examples, please.

[rzemanfl]

35. Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services HRS became

Department of Children and Families DCF. ValuJet became AirTran.

[napi21]

11. Disregarding a court order? Can't they be arrested for that?

I know the Gov and the Pres think they are kings, but I think even a king has some rules they must follow.

[efhmc]

18. They have proven time and again that bush law is now the law of the

land. We should all be heading for the hills.

[nytemare]

8. Well, a baby in the state where W was governor and made a law

for pulling the plug on those who couldn't afford to foot the bill had the plug pulled on it.

Baby with a brain, Terri without a brain. I don't get it.

[efhmc]

10. I am aware of this (I live in Texas.) and we still have a repuke as gov.

but he is not a bush and no one cares about a poor black baby, anyway. Again don't you think the combination of bushes is a powerful part of how far this nonsense has gotten?

[nytemare]

13. Yep, sure do!

It is all politics, though. They don't really care. Would anyone really want to live like this, with brains mush, wearing a diaper?

I think it is selfish of the family to want to keep her alive. She is just a body. What was Terri is gone. They should let her go.

[babsbunny]

9. Here in Ohio

Taft is such a bootlicker, yeah it could of happened here.

[efhmc]

14. *bush would have taken this as seriously and gone as far with it, you

think, even though his brother were no involved. So just a duplicitous repuke governor would do the trick,

[napi21]

15. I think it could happen in Ga., and I lived in SC...it could happen there

as well!

I really don't think most of this is because of the Bushes as much as it is about the fundies feeling they now have freedom to do anything they want and they'll be protected.

[efhmc]

20. No, I think that Jeb could have, if he wanted, let it go through and then

be Pontius Pilot and washed his hands of the matter.

[napi21]

36. Could have, sure! That wasn't the question. I'm susre the

Pub Gov Perdue, and the 2 Senators we have here in Ga. would do the same as Jeb. They would see way to much advantage from the locals to give up on something like this.

[tammywammy]

19. Well, it can't happen in Texas

Since, the doctors would have pulled the plug minutes after Gov Bush passed that law in 1999.

[efhmc]

21. I believe that can only happen if there is no funding and in this case

would not have occurred quite that fast but it certainly would have happened by now.

[tammywammy]

26. Well, not quite as fast

But definitely by now.

[efhmc]

28. Well, before now. you are exactly right.