I don't get it. Why are some emboldened by 82%?

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

Aren't these the same people we (o.k., I) have repeatedly called stupid? I'll bet 95% of America shops at Wal Mart. I'll bet 95% of America buys its meat from corporate farms who torture the hell out of their livestock. How many of this 82% drives gas-guzzling SUVs? How many will support drilling in ANWR?

82% doesn't really mean anything. Nor does it mean that 82% is inherently wrong and that one should run in the opposite direction. 82% is an interesting political number, but I hardly think it proves that the shaved apes who roam this country are now suddenly enlightened.

If America is essentially a culture of convenience and consumerism, then the 82% here makes perfect sense to me. This doesn't mean that removing the feeding tube is inherently a position of convenience, but something tells me that for a lot of that 82% it is.

[Cooley Hurd]

1. For me, it means Dumbfuckistan is much smaller than I thought...

...and that gives me a sliver of hope for this country.:)

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

4. Fair enough.

I suppose we can always hope.

And I imagine Faux News' ratings will plummet soon, right?

And Michael Jackson will be a page 19 story? :-)

[Inland]

2. About 30% of the country previously reflexively supported Bush

If Bush said the sky was green, about 30% would have fallen in with the party line rather than admit the truth. They would have stated that the sky is green, that dems are trying to politicize the sky, and besides, what about Chappaquiddick?

I mean, Alan Keyes took 27% of the vote in the race for senate race in Illinois.

To break that barrier is huge. Even the most conservative, the ones who felt that the only way to victory was to back every idiot thing Bush did, have broken ranks.

[DebJ]

3. The 82% supports what I heard from voters while campaigning

last year. Most of the Bush voters did NOT support most of Bush's policies; they were held in sway of the God Gays Guns thing and some bought into the great Crusader scheme. But beyond those issues, they really did NOT support his policies.
I hope they are all calling their congress people like crazy.

[Kurovski]

5. I've always said most Americans are not stupid.

I've posted that only 20% are the Bush base.

I recall that 80% thought Clinton's private life should have remained private.

Americans get it. They really do, folks.

You can scare us, you can lie to us, and it takes some of us longer than others to figure it all out, but Americans GET IT.

[LoZoccolo]

6. I guess I don't get /your/ point.

What should we do on account of your (fabricated) statistics about Wal-Mart, etcetera?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. The Original Poster

Did Say He Was Guessing...


I would bet real $$$$ that if statistics do exist on Wal-Mart and the folks who eat meat grown on corporate farms they would be high;especially in areas where folks have access to a Wal-Mart... An interesting artifact... There is not one Wal-Mart in New York City...


His global conclusion that just because a lot of folks believe in something doesn't mean it's right seems pretty unassailable..

[Neshanic]

8. Correct. But it is the right in your home issue that Dems will ignore.

You are right. These people still are the same people who believs the same things about Bush because Fox told them so, but in this instance after a trip to WalMart, the couple while umbagging groceries wonders what they are going to do with his mom. She has Alzheimers and lives with them. Their mother had filled out the request for how she wanted to die, as the disease took hold.

They sit at the table and wonder why in the Hell that the government is involved. They look over to his mother, and see that it will not be long till she will be in the hopsice, and treated with the utmost respect and kindness, and made comfortable.

Why? Why can't the government stay out of this they wonder aloud?

It's the in the kitchen issue. The quiet of the afternoon, changing the diaper of a dying parent issue. It's the dignity of dying and be treated with compassion issue.

Until us Democrats understand that it is until these issues, framed in simple plain talk are put forth by us, this paradox will continue. The WalMart nation voting against itself.

[purji]

9. It tells me

that the whacked out far right fundies aren't as large a demographic as the republicans would like us to believe.

[spanone]

10. Take it one shot at a time. It means 82% differ in thought from the Chimp

That's good in my estimation.

[Walt Starr]

11. It breaks past the ~30% who'd support Bush even if he were photographed

having sex with a live boy AND a dead girl.

[PATRICK]

12. I'd like to see

a breakdown in the "hardcore" 18% because what I hear is a good chunk of those are people a) who either don't personally connect to this situation or who have an odd family case that makes them lean to the propaganda and b) have swallowed a good diet of the MSM crap propaganda. As with their attempt to take down Clinton it mainly doesn't work(Soc. Sec. too) but there is an acceptance of some of the media poison that wears down the edges, scores "points" and leaves things fallow for future mischief.

Mainly it is the large number of non-nuts or the fooled by anything crowd that voted for Bush, about 20% or so who are the strangest most contradictory lot because they cannot function rationally in all the dichotomies between theory and practice, national and local, issue stands and practice, the personal and the socially ideal.

Who's crazier the people that balance all the Bush contradictions to settle on pleasant lies told authoritatively in true conman fashion or the ideological rage-aholics?

As long as the middle of America is in such weak disarray mentally and emotionally weak we are prey to collapsing once again to the twin shocks of fascism and terror.

Unfortunately our "leaders" in the party reflect the muddled thinking without connecting to the people, much less rousing them out of the fog.

[mondo joe]

13. When is the last time 82% agreed on any "culture war" issue?

The fact that 82% agreed on a RIGHT TO PRIVACY is indeed something to be emboldened by.

As the GOP continues its war on personal autonomy it is heartening to see how much of the electorate rejects their overreach.