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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:11 PM
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Reality is creeping in over at the Pentagon...Watch Out Kids!
Bush said another military draft wouldn't happen, but Bush has lied to America before!

Army Won't Meet Recruiting Goals
Associated Press
March 24, 2005

WASHINGTON - The Army expects to miss its recruiting goals this month and next and is working on a revised sales pitch appealing to the patriotism of parents, Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey said Wednesday.

Whether that boosts enlistment numbers or not, Harvey said he sees no chance of a military draft.

"The 'D' word is the farthest thing from my mind," the former defense company executive told a Pentagon news conference, his first since becoming the Army's top civilian official last November.

Because of the military manpower strains caused by simultaneous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, some in Congress have raised the possibility of re-instituting the draft, although there is a strong consensus against it among Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and the military chiefs.

This is the first time the United States has been in a sustained period of combat since the all-volunteer force was introduced in 1973. The Air Force and Navy, which have relatively smaller roles in Iraq and Afghanistan, have no recruiting problems, but the Army and Marines are hard pressed. MORE..............

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_army_032405,00.html?ESRC=army.nl

If the Army and Marine Corps can't get the needed new recruits soon, will the Pentagon simply hire more civilian soldiers? The cost to do that would be HUGE, but Bush is a big spender when it comes to spending our tax dollars on "military contractors"!

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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:15 PM
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1. Remember one of the few honest statments that Dim Son once made:
"We are not gonna have an all-volunteer Army! Uh..what?? What?? OH! We WILL have an all-volunteer Army! We WILL!"

Yeah, right. I actually believed you the first time. Talk about Freudian slip. It's almost as good as "Our enemies never stop thinking about ways to harm our nation and our people, and neither do we."
Truer words never spoken.
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:16 PM
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2. The violence in Iraq appears to be declining, no need for a draft
as much as you hate it, it's true!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:18 PM
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4. But there's Iran and Syria to invade.
So many countries.. so little time (and troops).

:nuke:

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:19 PM
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6. For now - but that doesn't dismiss the fact that blivet plans to take
us into Iran or Syria, next.
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:21 PM
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7. Why would ANYONE
not want the violence to be declining therefore lessening the chance of more troops or innocent people getting killed. I have not once since I have been a member of DU ever seen anyone want violence. That statement is appalling.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:21 PM
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8. What I really HATE is this:
Hundreds of American soldiers, kids mostly, have died in Iraq already over a pack of lies!
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:34 PM
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10. don't believe what you hear on MSM
They still have 60 attacks a day and we've lost 32 soldiers so far this month and its not the lowest month of casualties in the war to date. 3 months were lower. They are making statements that they will be pulling troops out, but you have to wonder what the ulterior motive is. The Iraqi council can't even pick a spokesperson. They all walked out the other day.

You think they need troops for a possible mission into Iran? I wonder.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:47 PM
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11. Another couple of things...
American soldiers are still being killed and wounded in Iraq! ONE soldier killed or wounded a month, one a year, over Bush and Powell's lies, is too many! I have yet to hear of any mass withdrawal of troops from Iraq! There are still about 130,000 to 150,000 troops in Iraq to this very day, with no idea when the trouble there will really end! The military still has "stop loss" or the back door draft in effect as far as I know! Many soldiers stationed in Iraq today are on their second tour there, or their tours have been extended by three months or more!

As much as you hate it, you may soon find your ass on your way to the land of no hamburger stands also!

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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:17 PM
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3. "D" word..
"The 'D' word is the farthest thing from my mind," the former defense company executive told a Pentagon news conference, his first since becoming the Army's top civilian official last November.


Yep, just like at CIGNA, management announced no one's jobs were in jeapordy until the week before announced outsourcing. Don't trust management of any kind.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:18 PM
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5. If it gets down to
the nitty gritty, they'll bring back the draft, in spite of what they say. Got to keep those "cards and letters", and dollars, coming in to Halliburton. Any way, it will be the children of the working calss and poor, who get drafted anyway. As usual.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:23 PM
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9. Not if I get my slot on the draft board...
If I get on, I'm sending little Freddie Freeper and his rich cousin, J. Wellington Buffington Chippingham Hanton Scarbourough off to drive point in Iraq.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:53 PM
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12. But -
J.B. Big Bucks Jr. Esq, can't go - he's attending class at Harvard!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:23 PM
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13. J.B. Big Bucks Jr. Esq and his daddy's pards are
the reason our young people are over there in Iraq right now, fighting for their lives! The J.B. Big Bucks Jr. Esq,s at Harvard thought a big tax break or three, would be far better things, than things like Bills of Rights, Freedom, Democracy, Liberty and Justice...FOR ALL! J.B. Big Bucks Jr. Esq, thinks that freedom really is free for people like himself, but not free for the working class! J.B. Big Bucks Jr. Esq, has learned that corporate crime really does pay better than working, fighting, or dying, in some damned war on the other side of the world, that his daddy stirred up to make an easy buck!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:30 PM
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14. As long as Republicans have control there will be no draft
The one major lesson they learned from Vietnam was once they ended the draft ninty five percent of the protests also ended. They learned the soccer mom was just not going to put up with sending her little Johnnie off to die when the US had not been attacked. Iraq did not attack the US no matter how much the Bush* Cabal would like us to believe otherwise. They would have to end there little incursions into resource rich defenseless countries if it meant involving an army made up of drafted soldiers. Yes they will spend the money on a private army as long as it isn't their money why wouldn't they. They have all their brain dead followers believing we can increase our debt forever without ever paying any consequence. Hell they may just be right. Once it gets too large we may just absolve ourselves from having to repay it or maybe pick a fight with China and declare all foreign debt to be null and void for security reasons. All I know is that a draft is not in the Republican playbook....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:36 PM
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15. I hope you're right!
I really do!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:36 PM
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16. I think I agree...
... the pukes are stupid but they are not that stupid.

Implementation of a draft would be the death knell for the neocon agenda. These folks have perfected the art of patting you on the back while pissing down your leg. But nobody is fooled when they have to pay a price, when their own kids have to go and die for nothing.

At least, as the father of 3 early teen boys, I hope.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 06:09 AM
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17. The election is behind us now!
The neonuts have three and a half years now, to do whatever they need to do to get some more loot! It takes a big gang to be the world's biggest gangsters!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 07:26 AM
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18. In reality...
.... the party in power always has to look at the next election.

Congress could undo the f*cked-up tax cuts in one session. Most of the legislation made by Bush** and pals can be undone.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 07:39 AM
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19. Elections mean nothing if the votes don't count anymore!
The GOPers control the voting machines and the people who are supposed to keep the election process honest! *** Game Over!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 07:52 AM
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20. Even that....
... has a limited life span. Let's just say they are rigging the vote. They will have to rig it more and more and more to work.

Eventually, someone will screw up and get caught. Then it will all be over.

While I do believe that our economy is hanging by a thread and could sink any time, I don't believe that one party will ever wrest permanent control. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, the pendulum will continue to swing.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 07:58 AM
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21. I hope you're right!
It's HOPE that keeps me keeping on!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:02 AM
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22. The Draft can only be resumed if....
there is another mass terrorist attack in the U.S. Most would not mind a Draft if that happened. Most of the Bush Junta have said another Terrorist Attack will happen.

Mull that over.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:17 AM
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23. One party ALREADY has control, and they intend to keep it....
...by any means possible.

As soon as ALL Americans understand the above statement to be true, that's when changes will begin to take place.

It's going to be a very bumpy ride.
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