Death sentence for pot.

[Dez]

write [e-mail] she's FACING DEATH

http://www.schapellecorby.net/

[Djinn]

1. to be fair it was a rather large amount of pot

personally I advocate the legalisation of ALL drugs and I don't support the death penalty but pretty much everyone here was happy for anyone involved in the Bali bombings to get the death penalty so it's a bit much for Austraia to turn around now and say "mmm OK now we don't like it so much because it's one of ours that facing the long drop/short stop".

she is getting her day in court and it's not some kangaroo court either to demand her release (as this website does) is to deny Indonesians they're right to prosecute crimes committed in their own country.

once the trial is finished if people beleive it was unfair then fair enough they should protest but so far her only defense is "someone must have put it in my bag" which is a pretty common refrain from traffickers, Corby's story so far reeks about as much as the 4kg of cannabis found in her bag.

there are hundreds of Australians in Indonesian jails serving time or awaiting the death penalty in relation to drug crimes - Corby is getting attention because she's white, female and pretty. Strangely no-one gave much of a shit about two recent Australian arrests in Asia, probably because they were called Nguyen Tuong Van, Le My Linh.
Corby has received FAR more help from the Australian authorities than most people facing the criminal justice system in a foreign country, they even sent over a crim who claimed to have overheard some other prisoners talking about the Corby case despite the AFP's significant doubts re the veracity of his claims - funny what someone will say when facing rape and burglary charges.

The disinformation her camp have put into the media is appalling and frankly quite racist.

[lenidog]

2. So what is the deal here I tried to find a link on the site telling

me the story but I didn't see any.

[Djinn]

3. you wont find it on their site

they're not exactly big on facts just hyperbole.

Short story - Indonesian customs found 4.1kg of cannabis in her bag - she agrees the bag is hers but denies the drugs are.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1334404.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Corby-may-serve-term-back-home/2005/04/03/1112489349205.html?oneclick=true

[Pithlet]

7. Actually, I did find a link

Indonesia has an atrocious record of human rights violations. I can't believe your stance on this issue, frankly. It looks to me like it won't be a short drop, it will be a firing squad. It's only unknown people like her who get the death penalty. Big fish who have the money to bribe their government get set free.

Not that it really matters, but there is little evidence this was her pot. It was right on top of the bag as it was unzipped. And, the xrays of her bag have *oops!* disappeared. Sorry, but Indonesia doesn't have the right to do this to its own citizens, let alone anyone else's'. I don't care if she's young and pretty, this is a travesty.

[Dez]

10. Well said.

This is horrible, so I posted it here so people here can sign the petition that will help her out. No one deserves death for pot.

[lenidog]

11. The interesting thing is that no one gives a shit

about the Indonesians who get get their neck stretched but she is a pretty Australian woman so the rules don't apply to her.

[Pithlet]

13. Uh, I think there are people who do give a shit

Humans rights organizations, for one. Plenty of people here at DU as well, I'm sure. No doubt that her case might get more exposure in more MS type outlets, but that's to be expected. And, if it puts Indonesia and their violations out in public, than I'm all for it.

I don't know why anyone would go to Indonesia on vacation anyway. I guess fewer will, now.

[Djinn]

18. I think you miss my point

once the trial/sentancing is finished THEN we can make a judgement on whether the case was fair.

She's been able to call every witness she wanted to and has been able to cross examine all state witnesses.

should every Indonesian verdict be overturned?

My main problem here is with the AUstralian public not Corby or her supporters - we cheered when the very same justice system sentenced the Amrozi brothers to death but decry this one? why is OK for Indonesians to be put to death but not Australian citizens.

Why do the vast majority of Australian citizens awaiting the death sentence in Asia get ZERO publicity (most of them being of Asian descent) but when they're anglo (Corby and Barlow and Chambers) it's outrageous?

I'm actually pretty well versed in the Indonesian justice system having spent time living there and speaking (very bad) Bahasa. As for "why anyone would go to Indonesia" - well I can think of many reasons, why go anywhwere for a holiday?

[Pithlet]

23. No, I think I got your point just fine.

I happen to think her guilt or innocence is irrelevant.

I don't know why the vast majority of Australian citizens awaiting death sentences in Asia get zero. But that's certainly not this woman's fault, and it doesn't give Indonesia, human rights violator, the right to execute her. And it is possible that their cases will be brought to light because of this as well. Wrong is wrong. I don't understand your point that she's young and pretty and is getting publicity. I don't understand how this couldn't enrage anyone who cares about human rights and the death penalty. I certainly don't see how anyone can blame her family and friends for doing everything they can to see her released. That is what ANYONE would do.

[Djinn]

29. just seems odd

how many people are currently sitting on death row - why all the focus on THIS case - especially for US citizens who's OWN government is ALSO a human rights violator and ALSO has the death penalty.

no-one is blaming her family at all, what I'm saying is that some of them have lied or distorted the truth in her defence and I can't see that helping.

[Pithlet]

38. So

You're okay with Indonesia killing her because you're tired of the media coverage? I didn't realize that opposition to the death penalty only applied to those cases that the media ignored.

I hate the fact that the US has the death penalty. I abhor it and have done everything I can to fight it. So, it would seem odd for someone like me to think that it's just peachy that Indonesia kills people for drug offenses. Even if it's a pretty white girl getting a lot of media attention. I'll concede that the media can be irritating in their hyperfocus on one issue. But it has nothing to do with this poor woman possibly awaiting her death. It isn't any less atrocious. It does seem like you have little sympathy for this woman because she happens to be getting a lot of attention. I don't understand that.

[Djinn]

40. yep that's what I said

this is getting kinda boring, I'm not OK with Indonesia killing anyone but given there are 1000's of people in this predicament I can't get to worked up over Corby ESPECIALLY as she's getting a trial, she's been able to cross examine, she has an interpreter, dubious witnesses have been flown over at taxpayers expense etc etc

I have little sympathy for this women because she's ONE woman and so far her ordeal is not because she's stuck in some nasty third world country - if you get caught as a foreigner in ANY country with THAT much pot you're going to jail, you're a pretty obvious flight risk. She's been arrested and held until her trial (which so far no legal expert has had a problem with EXCEPT the one paid for by Corby's benefactor)

When and IF she is convicted, when and IF she is senetenced to death THEN let's have this discussion.

I have NO sympathy for the folks that set up the linked website - they are demanding that Indonesia release her immediately and send her back to Australia - why on earth shouldn't she have to face court l;ike anyone else found with that quantity of illegal goods.

[Pithlet]

44. I'm not asking you to get worked up about it.

But you are the one who's been posting about how this doesn't warrant anyone getting upset. My whole point is, why should anyone refuse to be upset about this? How is anyone outraged at a death sentence for POT, for God's sake, in anyway out of line!? You yourself posted this:

"she is getting her day in court and it's not some kangaroo court either to demand her release (as this website does) is to deny Indonesians they're right to prosecute crimes committed in their own country."

You are clearly defending Indonesia in their actions here. Which seems really strange coming from someone professing to be against the death penalty and against drug laws. You also brought up the media coverage, and the fact that she's young. All things that are irrelevant. NO ONE should face a firing squad because pot was found in their bag. It's really that simple.

No one is out of line demanding her release from a country that puts drug offenders against the wall. Your insistence that I or anyone else is is ridiculous.

[Djinn]

46. you ARE missing the point

whether you think so or not.

I'm not anti-death penalty per se - see above.

I AGREE (for the 50th time) that drug offences shouldn't be punishible by death.

It absolutely IS out of line to state that a country should not be allowed to send to trial someone who breaks (or there is enough evidence that someone has) their laws. Yes I defend the right of a country to institute it's own laws and to enact them.

It is NOT irrelevant to bring up the lies and distortions of Corby's supporters.

My original post referred not to whether Corby herself should be executed but to the LIES and distortions of the people running that website THAT is why it's relevant to this discussion.

Do you REALLY beleive that Indonesia should just release her and let her get on a plane to Australia? they have every right to try her, I do not beleive that they should execute her (and they probably wont) but why should she be allowed to walk before the trial is even finished??

[Pithlet]

51. Look.

You said "It absolutely IS out of line to state that a country should not be allowed to send to trial someone who breaks (or there is enough evidence that someone has) their laws. Yes I defend the right of a country to institute it's own laws and to enact them."

I never said it wasn't okay for Indonesia to try people. Where the heck did I say that. Never once said that. I said it isn't okay to kill them.

If you think that desparate pleas for this woman's life by her family and friends are relevant to whether or not she should be killded for posessing pot, then what the hell can I say?

[lenidog]

59. Because much like a friend of mine

they believe they are special for many reasons, white, middle class or rich, born as an American or a citizen of a rich Western nation. So the laws just or injust of a foreign country doesn't apply to them because of it.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. Indonesia's been going out of it's way to ensure a fair trial in this case

They've flown in witnesses from Australia, which is something that's not normally done....

Even if I thought she was innocent, how fucking incredibly stupid would someone have to be to leave a bag unattended at an airport and then not check it when they returned? Australians have been executed for drug related stuff before, and since two Sydney rugby league players were executed in Malaysia in the 1980's there are warnings plastered all over the place at international airports about the incredibly harsh laws in some countries over drugs. And the bottom line is that Indonesia does have a right to charge foreign nationals when they break the law over there. I totally oppose the death penalty, aren't entirely sure if she's guilty or innocent, but to claim that Indonesia doesn't have the right to charge people with crimes committed on its soil is taking it way too far...

Violet...

[Pithlet]

28. Where did I say

that Indonesia doesn't have the right to charge people with crimes committed on its soil?

As far as the "How incredibly stupid.." I wasn't aware that stupidity justified a death penalty. If you're opposed to the death penalty, you should be horrified by this, not defending it. I don't understand your position.

[Djinn]

34. not everyone IS opposed to the death penalty though

I'm not really - I think it's ineffective and unfairly effects the poor or disenfranchised but I'm not morally against it.

Corby (unlike the VAST majority of people in Indonesia facing capital punishment) has a VERY well funded defence team, the support of the media and even a large group of supporters in Indonesia, there are so many people on death row it just seems a bit obscene for all the attention to be focused on someone who's actually lucked out quite a bit in the reaction of the Indonesian and Austrailan governments.

[Pithlet]

63. Not everyone is

That's very obvious.

I think that everyone is entitled to the things that Corby is receiving, and I think it is a crime that they don't, and NOT that Corby is getting them. It is obscene that she seems to be the only one to warrant that attention. I don't think it makes it any less horrible the things that are happening to her, or that she merits less empathy because of it. I think the fact that others don't get that attention is more deserving of ire. In fact, I understand where you're coming from there. I've ranted and raved that the only murder and kidnap victims who get attention in the media are white, pretty, and middle/upper class. But, I don't feel any less sympathy or outrage over what happened to those victims. It is the media itself that deserve the outrage, NOT the victims who are unfairly highlighted by that media.

[lenidog]

8. 10 pounds just mysteriously slipped into her bag

That is a lot of pot just to mysteriously roam into her bag.

[Pithlet]

16. It may or may not have been hers.

It is irrelevant, when the punishment is death by firing squad. It doesn't look like they have much of a case to me, anyway. It certainly is plausable that someone panicking would plant it in someone's bag who isn't looking. In fact, it's suspicious that this was pot going into and not leaving Indonesia. The person who planted it, if that indeed happened, may not stop to see if he/she is planting in an arrival or departure bag. They just want to be rid of the stuff.

Jeez, I can't believe I'm having to say this stuff at DU!!!!

[Violet_Crumble]

27. I wish you'd tell the media it was irrelevant...

They've been slobbering away over the new star witness who's flown up there to testify that it was a bit of interstate drug smuggling accidently gone international. Even though it's hearsay, it does make some sense, but I'm not going to waste my time worrying about that anymore, and neither should the Indonesian court, as it's all irrelevant!

Jeez, if you can't believe yr having to say this stuff at DU, it must be doubly hard to believe that two of the folk yr having to say it to are Australians who get the case shoved down their throat in Shiavo-like doses :)

Violet...

[Pithlet]

32. Fine. Where do you draw the line?

Do we allow no outrage for countries who kill jay walkers? Seriously. If you think that drug smuggling deserves a death penalty, then I won't waste any more time with this conversation. If you're upset because the media focuses on one person and not others, welcome to the real world. It doesn't make what happens to the person getting the media attention any less horrible.

I think it was obvious that my irrelevant comment was because I don't think carrying pot warrants the death penalty. Anywhere on the planet. Therefore, it is irrelevant if she was carrying it, because I don't think she should be shot to death either way.

[Violet_Crumble]

36. Haven't we already covered this?

I've already said I oppose the death penalty no matter what country it is, so I'm not sure why yr acting as though I haven't said that. I also wasn't aware that she'd been already found guilty and sentenced to death, which is the way some folk seem to be carrying on. The trial's still happening, and from what I read, the death sentence is a possibility, but not likely. I'd prefer there to be no possibility of the death sentence, in which case if her trial is fair and she is found guilty, she can sit and fester in an Indonesian prison for the next however many years..

I'm used to the real world. That's why I'm going to give this thread a Pope reference it's so sorely lacking in these days when all talk is Popetalk. The question we must ask ourselves about Corby is What Would The Pope Have Done If His Boogeyboard Bag Gained A Few Instant Kilos? ;)

Violet...

[Pithlet]

61. I'm not acting as though you haven't said it.

I think some of your arguments seem to contradict that belief. I also think that it doesn't matter that the trial isn't over yet. The moment a death sentence is possible, THAT is the time to worry, and that is the time to fight it.

[Djinn]

37. if you're upset because some countries kill over "minor" offences

welcome to the real world :eyes:

no-one here has said that they think the death penalty should be applied to drug trafficking (although I'm positive some DUers would think it should)

what we HAVE said is that until the legal process has come to a conclusion it's a bit stupid to bang on about how awful the Indonesian system is (and again I've actually lived there I'm well aware of it's faults) especially when she's had PREFERENTIAL treatment.

i'd be willing to bet a years salary that if convicted she will serve a few years in Java and then be extradited to Australia rather than receive the death penalty.

presumably pithlet you spend a fair amount of time protesting on behalf of the 1000's incarcerated in the US who also claim "those drugs weren't mine"

[Pithlet]

41. Yes, I'm quite aware that they kill over minor offenses

I don't pick and choose which ones to be upset about based on the media coverage, and whether they're pretty or young. Your post went a little bit beyond just stating that it's a bit stupid to bang on about it. But, that's neither here nor there. You seem to think it's stupid to be upset about this before the conclusion of their legal process. Well, when the possible outcome is a firing squad, I think that merits a little more urgency. I don't believe this would be getting quite the attention if she were looking at 5-10.

Regarding your last comment to me: Unless I've slipped into an alternate reality, the death penalty isn't given for drug possession in this country. The cases aren't the same. While we're on this subject, I'm opposed to all drug laws, just you stated you were. So, yes, I do believe they should be released, have stated so in the past, and have pressed for drug laws to be abolished.

[Djinn]

43. really

"I don't pick and choose which ones to be upset about based on the media coverage"

can you even name another person awaiting the death penalty in all of asia let alone Indonesia? if not then you HAVE made a decision re which one to be oputraged over.

[Pithlet]

45. This is one thread

about a woman facing the death penalty. I'm responding to THAT thread. It doesn't mean I only care about that one case. And, I'm not the one deciding that this poor woman doesn't deserve the outrage because of all the others who aren't getting the coverage. You are. That was my point. I'm not any more or less outraged about her case as I am any others. I don't see how it matters that she's young, or a woman, or pretty, or getting a lot of attention.

Here's a name: Ayodhay, Prasadchaubey. Awaiting a death sentence for drug trafficing in 1994. From an Amnesty International report. I could go on and on, but it is irrelevant, because I was responding to this thread on this one subject. I don't think that precludes me from caring about other cases.

[Djinn]

48. and I was responding to

the BULLSHIT stated on the website originally posted here NOT whether or not she deserves to be shot or should be shot or is guilty etc.

even the Indonesian media (try getting some translated) is sympathetic to this woman, she's actually fared REALLY well all things considered she should NOT be freed before the trial has finished.

what have amnesty said about corby's trial? have they said it is unfair?

[Pithlet]

52. Yes, I know.

I think it is ridiculous to call her family and friends on their please for her life. As an aside, you really haven't provided any evidence that what they say is BS. But, I wouldn't blame them if it were. Their daughter is facing a death squad in a foreign country. They're bound to do or say anything they can to save her. Just as I would. Cut them some slack.

If the Indonesia media is sympathetic to this woman, then that is great. I wouldn't expect every single citizen of theirs to be for this atrocious law, anymore than anyone should think that all US citizens are for the death penalty.

I'm looking up AI's stance on this issue now.

[Djinn]

53. I could save you the effort

but you probably wont beleive me anyway - so google away

[Pithlet]

60. Well, since I promised

here it is:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGASA210212004?open&of=ENG-IDN

[Dez]

17. Wont you please sign the petition??

It will just take a few moments, and you could help save someone's life.

[lenidog]

30. Already did

I don't think she sould die for smuggling pot or anyone for that matter.

[Djinn]

39. it wont do anything

even though I actually think the chances of her being guilty are higher than her being innocent I would sign the petition if it would do any good - no government takes any notice of petitions, even proper ones, internet ones are absolutely useless as there is no way of verifying the people on it are even real - don't waste your time

[Violet_Crumble]

9. Without reading up on it...

How does one not notice that a bag's gained 4.1kg in weight? And anyone who doesn't keep an eye on their luggage at an airport is a complete and utter moron as far as I'm concerned...

Violet...

[lenidog]

14. It isn't as if it was a couple ounces in a baggy

IT WAS 10 LBS WORTH. Besides that how big was the bag I don't know how big 10 lbs of weed is but I doubt you can compact it that much that you couldn't tell that it was in your bag.

[Pithlet]

19. And how is any of that relevant?

I'm shocked. They're going to put this woman in front of a firing squad. For God's sake. She didn't keep her eye on the bag, therefore she gets what she deserves? Frankly, I don't care if she danced nude in the airport with 10 pounds taped to her body singing Waltzing Matilda.

Does anyone realize this is Indonesia? Do they realize that they aren't exactly peachy when it comes to human rights? That we should just take their word for it, and let them shoot this person because that's the way they do things and who are we to question it?

[Violet_Crumble]

24. I think you probably need to follow the case more...

The Australian media is saturated with it, so it's a good place to hit every day. Anyway, the Indonesians won't just whack her in front of a firing squad in this case. There's a trial, and it looks reasonably open and fair. From what I've read, she *could* get the death penalty. That doesn't mean she will get it, nor does it mean she's already been found guilty...

And like I said, only a complete and utter moron doesn't keep an eye on her bag. Of course that doesn't mean I support the death penalty...

Violet...

[Pithlet]

35. I could immerse myself in the media stories on this

for several weeks. Gather every single bit of information. And I still wouldn't support the Indonesian government blowing her away. Sorry. I'm consistent in my position against the death penalty. I'm funny that way.

Are you seriously trying to make me okay with the Indonesian government executing people for smuggling pot? Or just this one person? I'm really not sure why you're debating me on this, particularly since you claim to be against the death penalty.

[Djinn]

42. are you deliberating ignoring

both myself and VC when we KEEP stating we don't support the death penalty at all let alone it's application for drug trafficking.

NOBODY SAID DRUG TRAFFICKING SHOULD BE PUNISHIBLE BY DEATH - except perhaps in your mind.

What we DON'T like is the skewing of the truth by Corby's supporters and the (very LOUD) demand that Indonesia shouldn't even be allowed to send her to trial they should just let her go (see linked website) and that Australia should take back all it's aid (most of which is actually business loans not aid but that's another thread)

[Pithlet]

47. I'm not deliberately ignoring that.

The fact that you don't like the "skewering of the truth" flies in the face of those beliefs. I don't understand how someone who is against the death penalty could even give a crap about Corby's supporters and what they say? What the flying feck does it have to do with the fact that she should not be sentenced to death for posessing pot? Why do you care what her family says while pleading for her life. How the hell is it relevant to ANYTHING?

Sorry, but you can tell me you're against the death penatly till you're blue in the face, and it doesn't change the fact that all of your arguments are irrelevant. This should not be happening to that woman. Period.

[Djinn]

50. NOT AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY

again for the thousandth bloody time, I just think it's inneffective.

you can state whatever you like but it doesn't suddenly make YOUR arguments the right ones or anyone elses irrelevant. I never said all my feelings on this was relevant to whether or not she should face the death penalty YOU keep making that up.

[Pithlet]

55. Oh, my mistake.

I guess I should have known that after you said this: "personally I advocate the legalization of ALL drugs and I don't support the death penalty but pretty much everyone here was happy for anyone involved in the Bali bombings to get the death penalty so it's a bit much for Austraia to turn around now and say "mmm OK now we don't like it so much because it's one of ours that facing the long drop/short stop".

Emphasis mine. So sorry to have misunderstood.

I never said anyone else's arguments were irrelevant. I stated that certain facts were irrelevant. And, yes, I happen to think I'm right that no one should face a death squad over possession of pot. I don't think that's all that outrageous, sorry.

[lenidog]

31. Actually its real relevant

If it is her pot and she smuggled it in then she is an idiot and one who took her own life into her hands either thinking she would never be caught or if she did they would send he home with a slap on the wrist because she is Australian. If that is the case then all sympathy for her disappears outside of the fact that I think know one should be killed for smuggling pot.

[Pithlet]

49. So,

You don't think people should be killed for pot smuggling, but you think this woman deserves what she got and brought it on herself because she's dumb. There is a bit of a disconnect, there.

If a law is unjust, then a person suffering the consequences of that unjust law did not bring it on themselves. Thank God we have organizations like Amnesty International. Yikes.

[lenidog]

54. She does bear some of the responsibility

for her actions. I believe the law is unjust but that does not absolve her from a crime if she did it. Anyone with half a brain knows that smuggling drugs is illegal in any country you care to mention. On top of that most people with any sense know the that most Asian countries let alone Indonesia have draconian penalties for everything especially drug smuggling. Its unjust but its still the law of the land so you DON'T SMUGGLE DRUGS. THough the whole point is moot. Its doubtful if she will get the death penalty and once the trial is over we will go through the whole deal of getting her out of jail because they are inadequate.

[Pithlet]

56. Not if that responsibility means standing before a firing squad!

Honestly.

[lenidog]

62. Yes it does

because that is the law!! If she is guilty of it then she does bear some of the responsibility. Its an unjust law but it is still the law until it can be changed. If she is guilty then she should have thought of it before she broke it.

[Pithlet]

65. Well

Most people fighting human rights violations would disagree with you, there. An unjust law is an unjust law. Injustice is not excused because it happens to be codified in law. She should not be expected to face a firing squad just because someone somewhere declared that it should be so. That is insane.

[lenidog]

67. Yes the law is unjust

We have hammered that out, you , me and even the village idiot knows that. What I am saying is this. One, I believe she is guilty. Two if is she actually is then she had a role in bringing herself into this predicament that cannot be absolved. Three, if she is found guilty then I hope that she will not face the death penalty and be given a jail sentence one to be served in the country where she broke the law.

[Pithlet]

68. None of that

has any bearing on whether or not she deserves to die. You can be stoned to death in Afghanistan if you're a woman and don't have the appropriate clothing on. So, so does a woman who didn't wear the appropriate clothing bring it on herself? Sometimes a punishment is so unjust that no matter how obviously "guilty" a person is of said transgression, they did not "bring it on themselves." All moral culpability is on the one creating the unjust law. All of it.

And that is so morally and ethically for the same reasons that a person doesn't bring on themselves the abuse they receive, even if they know that their actions might incite their abuser. The same reason why you can't say a woman brought the rape on herself for wearing a short skirt. You simply cannot morally and ethically reason that this woman brought the firing squad on herself. Because none of her actions justify it. There is nothing she could have done to justify this.

[Violet_Crumble]

12. I heard a really disgusting call on JJJ the other morning...

Some guy rang up and suggested Australia demand back the money that's gone to Indonesia for humanitarian purposes unless they release Corby. Probably one of the most idiotic calls I've ever heard on that station....

Violet...

[Djinn]

33. you shoulda heard the charmers

I had to listen to during the Tampa crap (media monitoring is a LOUSY job) people saying the navy should shoot them, they're all terrorists, they're diseased etc

strangely enough many of the people on the poor schapelle bandwagon are the same people that regularly and loudly demand that we reintroduce the death penalty here.

[Dez]

4. Link

http://www.schapellecorby.net/

[Djinn]

5. oops dupe

[Djinn]

6. oops double dupe

[dutchdemocrat]

15. I don't see anything racist.

And I don't see anyway to verify your version vs. theirs - nor do I see how you can say her story reeks?

What if she is telling the truth? What if someone did get back at her by planting it or what if it was her brother's stash and he has told no one? What if someone bunged it in her bag to avoid getting nailed?

If this were my daughter or sister I would hype it to the maximum if I believed she was innocent - I would do what it takes. And the fact that there are others in Indonesian or Asian jails who are not getting that kind of coverage may have nothing to do with racism at all - rather just some people really pushing to get her freed because they believe her. She's lucky to have people on her side.

The Indonesians are also making an example of her, therefore creating hype of their own.

After having read their explanation and several articles, I see no reason to throw a 'racist' label at the story.

Why would anyone smuggle expensive, inferior dope into a country where it is cheap, and very available anyway? (the irony of the case).

[Pithlet]

20. I happen to think it is irrelevant, anyway.

But I don't necessarily think this woman is guilty. I definitely don't think they have a case warranting blowing her off the face of the planet seeing as they lost the airport xrays of her bag.

[lenidog]

26. This isn't Australia its Indonesia so their laws it seems are a lot more

lax when it comes to rules of evidence. I agree with you I don't think she should die for smuggling pot. Though I think her story is really fishy.

[Pithlet]

58. I don't know.

I think it is entirely possible that people smuggling drugs panic when they're actually in the heat of the moment, and attempt to bail by dumping it on others. I think it is entirely plausible.

[lenidog]

22. Reason people are calling it racist is that I would believe that

a majority of Australians don't care how many Indodnesians get executed for the same crime and I doubt the Australian government even says boo tot he Indonesians about it. Though now we have a young, pretty white woman, from probably a middle class family and now we decide to have a fit. Also I don't know how cheap the pot is in Indonesia, I also don't know anyone who ever had Indonesian pot so I can't judge on the quality. But here is food for thought if you are some young white Australian lounging about on the beaches of Bali and want to get stoned would you rather buy it from someone you think you can trust ie Australian female or one of the local dealers who you probably don't know where they are to begin with and if you do well probably don't trust them.

[Djinn]

25. well first

"my" version isn't actually disputed by anyone INCLUDING Corby so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I can say her story reeks because "it's not mine" is the line EVERY trafficker uses.

The racism comes from applauding the death sentence when it's applied to Indonesians or to other asians but decrying it when it's applied to white australians. It's pretty simple.

The INdonesians are NOT making an example out of her, she has actually received PREFERENTIAL treatment from Indonesian and Australian authorities.

Pot is only cheap in Bali if you're a westerner if you're buying in Indo Rupiah it aint so cheap and it just isn't as available as people on Corby's supporters website are making out, that's why people traffick it, that's why there's money in it - whether you think Corby was a smuggler or whether she was a pawn someone clearly thought it was worth trafficking so the "why would she" argument is pointless.

I don't think (even if she's guilty) that she should get the death penalty but I also think it's obscene for Australian to cheer the application of the death penalty when it's applied to "others"

[Pithlet]

57. I do agree with you

That anyone who cheered the deaths of executed Indonesians are being a mite hypocritical if they're railing against Corby's.

[Tactical Progressive]

64. I'm in favor of harsh sentences for marijuana

In my perfect world, you would be taking monthly urine tests and if you were a Republican without any THC in your system you would be subject to severe jail time. Otherwise, as history and common sense proves, you are an extreme danger to society.

[Swamp Rat]

69. LOL!

You fucking Rethuglicanazi you! :D ... :smoke:

[mvd]

66. And I thought our drug laws were harsh

Geez. I'm not even for the death penalty for murder, much less this. I'm only for a death penalty if we don't have adequate means to keep a killer from society. I consider life sentences adequate.