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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:27 PM
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Can we turn this trainwreck around? (life after Bush).....
All this truly awful legislation...Patriot act(s), Bankruptcy nightmare, etc...(and many MORE to come, I'm sure)....Will we be able to overturn/rescind it once sanity is restored?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:28 PM
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1. It will take many many years and many regulations will still stay in place
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:33 PM
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2. When you say "many, many'.... How much time do you think?
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:35 PM
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3. How long did the New Deal take?
Take that, then add a decade.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:43 PM
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7. Jeebus. There goes the ulcer..... n/t
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:36 PM
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4. Right now, we are in a watershed moment.
We will get through this thing, but I deeply feel that it will get messier before we do, real ugly, and what we will have to do to clean up will be some of the hardest work this country has ever done.

That said, the repukes time is drawing to a close. They have decloaked, revealed themselves and their running dogs to all, and people really don't like what they are seeing. The polls bear that out. Even Newton Gingrich, never a paragon of impulse control and forebearance, is telling them to back off, but they do not seem to be listening.

I have a feeling that a time of great emotional catharsis is coming for the nation. The pressures that seem to be building, even in my little town, cannot be denied or rationalized away. Last time we had that was the 70s. This may even be more pronounced and flailing. Certainly entertaining.

I will say this: when it is all said and done, the repukes will have done it to themselves.

Again.

They never learn.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:15 PM
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11. They are incapable of learning.
Their power-ego-lust prevents it.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:37 PM
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5. Of course we will be able to rescind the bull shit they are putting on us.
The only real laws are the laws of (known) physics.

Once a real president and government is in place - we write the true democratic laws of our land.

You know, the laws that protect our environment, uphold our civil rights, provisions for health and education, the focus on new energy and the arts.

In case you all don't realize this, every, every law and act of this government is to take our tax dollars and our spending dollars and put them into 'their' pockets.

What has our government done for Joe and Jane Citizen? Nothing...
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:48 PM
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9. Sure, laws can be changed back.
You can SAY no more drilling in Alaska.
But that won't instantly put back the wilderness.

You can SAY, hey, presto, we're out of Iraq.
That won't bring back 100,000 Iraqi citizens, bring 1500 soldiers back or restore the bodies and minds of 12,000 soldiers. Nor will it put their families back on track.

You can SAY we're going to rethink that Bankruptcy thing,
But by then you have who knows how many families destroyed in the process.

And we'll have to deal with the fallout from these and every other disaster these clowns have saddled us with. Not to mention the new belief of the rapture-nut/Sciavo-crazies who suddenly feel they've been empowered by this regime. What kind of extremist behavior has this crew awakened that we'll find ourself dealing with in the future.

So, yeah...this is going to take a long, long while.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:56 PM
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10. I hear you my friend....
You cannot unkill a person....
You cannot unspoil what is spoiled.
You cannot undestroy a family that was destroyed by this evil administration.
And you cannot have what was lost.

However, once a real president and a real government - a government by the people and for the people - is in place, we *will* take back our democracy...
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:38 PM
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6. Let me get this straight........
my insomnia IS due to nightmares??? Damn, I thought I was just being paranoid!!!:tinfoilhat:
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:44 PM
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8. only after the Rapture hits ;-)
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DawnneOBTS Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:18 PM
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12. Honestly, I don't know
How can you fix something that is completely destroyed, like the world's image of the US (don't forget-even if W is not proclaimed "president for life" by his "mandate," you still have to deal with all of the rest of the fundies that are running this country, and they ain't makin' peace with nobody). How can you decrease a gazillion-dollar deficit? How can you bring back all of the outsourced jobs? These are things that are not fixable-not in our lifetimes at least. Some people on DU seem to believe that we have seen our last "election." Is there something to this?
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:21 PM
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13. Repairing The Damage Will Take Decades
Repairing the damage done by Buckaroo Bush and the Banana Republicans will take decades--and that's assuming that the radical right fails to regroup after they've been forced out of power.

One of the biggest obstacles to returning things closer to rights is that so-called "conservatism" hasn't yet been discredited enough. Right-wingers show a remarkable talent for self-deception and re-writing their own histories and image in ways that rival or even surpass the old Communist Party of the Soviet Union during and after the Stalin years.

Even if Gee Dubya slinks away in disgrace, right-wingers will excuse their actions by saying "Well, that was just George Bush. He wasn't a true conservative anyway and stood outside the conservative mainstream. No true conservatives and no Republicans supported him anyway." And sure as a dog returns to its vomit, you can bet that right-wing yobbos will be lapping up such cock-and-bull charades as the gospel truth--then repeating it ad nauseum and demanding that we believe such lying offal.

In the meantime, we'll be left with a class-riven and race-riven society the US hadn't seen since 1946. The US federal government will be facing numerous massive domestic and international crises with empty coffers. Our air, soil, and water will be far more polluted than when Gee Dubya was anointed. Our educational system will be in far worse shape than it was back in 2000. Our infrastructure will be slinking towards third world-style decay. Our competitiveness will be reduced. The US strategic position will be far worse than it was under Bill Clinton or George HW Bush. And we'll have lost eight years of an effort to move away from a petroleum-based economy.

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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:26 PM
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14. I'm not so sure that sanity will be restored.
After all, millions of people voted for this madness, TWICE. The news media are firmly under corporate control, life is still much more comfortable here than in developing countries, and many people want desperately to keep it that way, to the detriment of the environment and the Constitution.

A true liberal probably won't get elected until after the Die-Off. Unless Bushco is totally discredited, any Democrat in 2008 will have to run pretty far to the center, which used to be the right.

I think we're many years from not only the repair of the damage, but from even the BEGINNING of the repair.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:07 AM
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15. I had to cut back on my DU reading as I had a perpetual knot
in my stomach. Shrub and company are going to destroy our military, our environment, and our economy.

I have two little children and it scares the hell out of me what this world will be like for them.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:13 AM
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16. All you can do with a train wreck is clean up the mess
and start over.
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