Dobbs is over the top tonight - "Hearings not in english"

[CAMANY]

Anyone hear him just cry about that? "Hearings are rarely in english"

Oh gee imagine that an immigration hearing not it english. I mean it's not like you need the person at the hearing to understand the proceedings or anything. No need for any fairness in such proceedings.

What a racist pig.

edit: to clarify immigration hearings

Edit: Even more pathethic...

Anyone remember the West Virginia bill that made english the states official language?

He just said "The bill that unanimously passed was vetoed" and demonized the governor for the veto. He NEVER mentioned that the reps voting for the bill did NOT know that provision was snuck in.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Yep..and since he is populist in his approach to NAFTA, Dobbs will

get a free pass for his racism by many DU'ers. It's a shame.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Yep..and since he is populist in his approach to NAFTA, Dobbs will

get a free pass for his racism by many DU'ers. It's a shame.

[Book Lover]

3. Sorry - context, please

Is he talking about Gitmo hearings?

[CAMANY]

4. No immigration hearings

nt

[solinvictus]

5. Why the hearings?

Illegals have no protected rights in this country.

[gratuitous]

6. How do you know they're illegals until they've had a hearing?

Oops, sorry. What was I thinking?

[EVDebs]

10. Just check their Social Security number and drivers license...eom

[CAMANY]

12. Of course you missed his point

Some immigrants are here legally and do NOT have a SSN and drivers license as they are not citizens - but they still have legal approval to be here. OR they are here and can later seek asylum.

[EVDebs]

27. I thought it was a requirement for citizenship that English be learned

I could be wrong here. As for immigration, I think we are seeing the effects of an economic system that can't sustain growth for the current population let alone those wanting to come across the borders at the present time.

English and the language of the person involved are obviously required for an immigration hearing (assuming the person hasn't learned minimal English), so I agree with you CAMANY. But when it comes to citizenship, which I think Dobbs was confusing this with, the ability to read, write and speak English is a requirement.

http://www.visa2003.com/citizenship/naturalization.htm

See item #3

[Kerrytravelers]

28. I'm in education. I have spent many years working with people, children

and adults, learning English. It takes a while to feel secure and profecient. It does not bother me that their hearings are in their native language. In something this important, they deserve every opportunity to fully understand what is going on.

[CAMANY]

9. BS

The constitution says "PERSON" in the bill of rights NOT citizen. The SCOTUS has ruled every PERSON in the US has the right of due process.

And the point of a hearing is to decide if a person IS an illegal and IF they have legal grounds to stay here. For example "I came here because I'm gay and in my country I have a serious risk of being killed. Here is the sitaution."

Or "I'm a woman who had premarital sex and I have a serious risk of being killed. Here is my situation."

Or "I am a woman who is at risk of having my genitals mutiliated. Here is my situation"

Or "I was abducted at brought here as a slave"

Or "Because of my religion/politics I have serious risk of being killed. Here is my situation"

TONS of people are here in these situations. TONS of these people go to immigration hearings.

You don't just ship everyone off with out a hearing to establish the facts of a persons reason for being here.

According to the LAW of the US immigrants be they illegal or not have a right to a hearing.

But I'm glad you'd just ship all these people back with your "Oh gee they aren't citizens so must not be entitled to basic human rights" logic.

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[CAMANY]

17. Wait a minute

So you think those who would be killed/mutliated in their home nation due to gender/sexuality/religion/etc should be shipped back?

[Name removed]

21. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Name removed]

23. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. PRove that they are ACTUALLY here

I dare..,you...FUCKING PROVE IT

[Kerrytravelers]

26. Holy Cow.

People who are here illagally with no reason for political aslyum or protection are returned to their home countries, or jailed if necessary.

I ahve a dear friend whose parents had to flee their country due to political assassinations and threats to the family's life. SHould these upstanding, productive members of society be sent back because they fled here?

Illegals flooding our boarders and people getting fair hearings are mixing apples and oranges here.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. Actually they do...perhaps you should stick to discussing what you know

Many amendments say PERSONS not citizens..and you might be interested in knowing that the Supreme Court agrees with me.

[countryjake]

25. Wow, ever hear of human rights!??

Or due process? Are you suggesting that everyone suspected of being here illegally just be rounded up & given a one-way ticket out? Our country has profiling laws, you know, & sanctuary laws, that provide & ensure the proper treatment of any individual & allow the INS to maintain authority in immigration matters. And that entails deportation hearings...it's the way it's done!

[Book Lover]

8. Oh, thank you

When it comes to something other than the flow of money, Lou is out of his depth. I like what he says there sometimes, but clearly he's not thinking in this case.

[ReadTomPaine]

7. English as a national language is an issue of his, if I recall correctly..

When I watched cable news, this used to come up from time to time on his show.

RTP

[Book Lover]

18. I wonder if he's ever run the numbers

to adequately fund municipal and statewide ESL education for the long term...

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. The man's a jerk.

:wtf: does he expect?

Dobbs lost me just after the illegal invasion of Iraq. One of his viewers had written an email complaining about his BLATANT support for the war and for Bush. He read her email on the show and said, (I paraphrase) "Oh well. Too bad if you don't like it. I support this war and this President and if you don't like it you can just change the channel." That was it. I haven't watched him since. Bastard.

[CAMANY]

13. Here it is

Crying about the hearings now.

[Solly Mack]

15. No kidding.

Let's not applaud the fairness of hearings where people can understand what's happening to them. Instead,let's appeal to emotion, prejudice, and nationalism.

While appealing to the worst in humans is a winning tactic in Bush's America, it's not a winning tactic if your goal is a free & democratic America.

[CAMANY]

20. Yup

Just another attack on the courts. The neocons want due process and fair trials eliminated. Wouldn't be surprised if they started first eliminating fair trials for a minority and then expanded similiar to the Nazis.

[KlatooBNikto]

16. There are many so called liberals who are supporters of a racist

like Dobbs.They hide behind Dobbs's use of economic matters, especially his opposition to outsourcing.

When a day laborer from Mexico is given a hearing Dobbs wants the hearings to be conducted in English so he can belittle the lack of education of those people and justify deporting them for that reason;but, when dealing with a Chinese or Indian programmer who can match anybody's command of the English language, he opposes them because they work for far less than their American counterparts.

As far as Dobbs is concerend, if we do not come out on top, it is not worth it.You have perfectly summarized his attitude.

[Old and In the Way]

22. You mean Lou talks about things other than outsourcing?

I'm surprised.