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[Walt Starr]

1. So for the first time in this administration

A scandal moves into the week after it breaks.

That's a HUGE change!

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[Walt Starr]

5. This day marks a milestone

There is now a major scandal during this administration which alters the roadmap of the 13 points to the White House.

We're now in the driver's seat for 2004 and Bushco is on the defensive.

[DrBB]

2. So no one asked the key question?

Namely, if Tenet was wrong for submitting to pressure, who was APPLYING it?

Because that is the Mack-truck-sized hole in Tenet's so-called "mea culpa," and if no one asked it then they are even dumber than they look. Nice to see 'em not doing very well, but it's still an uphill slog to get these guys to act like anything remotely resembling journalists.

[TahitiNut]

6. Schieffer asked that on FTN.

He repeatedly asked who was so adamant on trotting out the Nigeria hoax in speech after speec. Condi avoided the question each time, most evidently in claiming "that's not the question." (Yes, Condi - it is.)

[berry]

14. Chris Matthews also asked it on his Sun show--but

then left it hanging after somebody named Francis(ABC?) opined that someone in NSC and someone in Cheney's office will take the rap and quit before being fired. But Cheney himself was mentioned--and the suggestion that he is culpable just hung there. Also someone mentioned Condi as responsible. None of the principals were there for interview--it was just a round table.

Also it was a big point on McLaughlin.

I was pretty disappointed by Face the Nation. Condi did (for the moment) come off better than usual. I wonder how she kept her voice from shaking as it usually does? She kept repeating all the OTHER "evidence"--it's time to hit hard with questions about the credibility of ALL their claims. And some print journalists are beginning to do that. I think it's important too to get truth on that British report out to the public. And she also kept going back to the National Intelligence report (fall of 02)--which also probably has a lot of holes in it.

I only saw part of Meet the Press (because it's repeated tonight, I looked at other stuff), but I did catch Russert making a big deal of Graham's journals (SO detailed about nit-picky things!)--this is bizarre. When really important questions need addressing. I had the same reaction to the opening minutes of Reliable Sources, which was going to cover Kobe Bryant and another NOT important subject--apparently the WMD question was low on Howie's priority list. UGH.

Edited to add left out words.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. The KEY question is:

"What else did you lie about?"

[ROakes1019]

17. the applicator

The question was asked; it just wasn't answered or was evaded.
 A couple of the moderators on both FACE THE PRESS and
Stephanopolis commented on this after the "guests"
had left.

[TahitiNut]

4. It's "quag(thedog)mire"

This madministration has planted hedgerows of lies and flits from one bush to another seeking concealment, not cover, for their assault on global populism. Condi responded to every question with yet another regurgitation of a preplanted lie. She's furtively dissembling and finding no cover where mere concealment has been the strategy.

[Pathwalker]

11. Rotflmao!!! Quag-thedog-mire!

Thank you - I needed that laugh! Beautiful!

[TahitiNut]

16. (grin)

Yeah. It seemed quite fitting, I thought. This waggish madministration is obsessively wallowing in their own mire of dogshit.

[JustJoe]

12. The most unbelievable

claim in all this is that the Brits didnt share
their separate intel on Niger/uranium with the US.
I'm just going on the two Rumsfeld imnterviews
(stephanopolous weak, Russert better but still didnt
go hard enough on Rummy).

These are the two allies in a war nobody else in
the world wanted and we're asked to believe
one did not and apparently still has not give the
nuclear-related info to the other. Rumsfeld said
he'd never seen the info & doesnt know if Tenet
saw/has seen it. As you say, if they (U.S.) aint seen
it, how can they say it's no good? So Rumsfeld at
least is still saying it could be true. Then why take
the statement out of the speech? Why say it was not
good enough to be in the speech? WHY NOT JUST INSIST
ON SEEING THE BRIT INFO? Why wouldnt the Brits go to
this mysterious third country & get the OK to release
this info? It's all just pure bullshit.

[anamandujano]

18. another critical mass of "I don't know"s & "I haven't seen it"s--

starting to sound like 911. Departments didn't communicate, intelligence was not shared, etc.

They are laying the groundwork for another convoluted bureaucracy defense.

Time to pass the next version of the Patriot Act, the illogical outcome of intelligence not shared (collect more)?

They are all playing it as dumb as bricks to cover their obvious criminal intent, so can we please stop saying that they are great on national security? PLEASE? They are either incompetent or evil, great is not a choice.

[Journeyman]

24. Thanks, anamandujano. . .

. . . can we please stop saying that they are great on national security? . . . They are either incompetent or evil, great is not a choice.

I've wanted that silly canard to disappear for years. Maybe now it can at last be put to the eternal rest it so richly deserves.

[nostamj]

8. condi spins it again

she actually still has the gall to tie Hussein to 9/11.

someday I want to see a real journalist nail her with this question:

what possessed you to lie about the threat of using commercial airliners as weapons against US targets?

[molly]

9. I saw MTP and Rummy doing his dance around the truth

anyone watching would have to be a fucking idiot not to see what a liar he is.

[hewitt]

23. he was squirming in his seat

I saw him on both MTP and TW; he gives new meaning to the old Hoosier expression "a lying sack of sh-t."

[GOPHater]

10. Good

The more they have to go on the defensive, the more they will show their true colors and the more will be said on the record that can be shown to be further lies later. This could be the beginning of the end for AWOL boy. The pressure has to keep being applied. I just read The Clinton Wars, and what they did to Clinton would have Bush in the looney-bin, which is where he belongs at the very least.

[Beetwasher]

13. Thanks Pete! I caught bits and pieces but found it hard to stomach

watching either of those two for any extended period. Was it ever brought up to either Rummy or Condi that this in effect is the SECOND catastrophic intel failure (9/11 and now this) and that so far, no heads have rolled and apparently communication STILL sucks in our intel agencies? IOW, what was broken has apparently NOT been fixed and who is responsible for that?

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[TahitiNut]

21. Because it wasn't.

The "intelligence failure" double entendre isn't gonna wash much longer. It's not an intelligence failure - it's clearly an integrity failure. No informed person seriously questions the intelligence. We question the manner in which intelligence is (ab)used. Even Mickey Mouth's intelligence isn't as questionable as his mental health. Indeed, these are people who demonstrate a desire to 'game' the facts in service to a wholly predatory agenda. Just as a mendacious and spiritually perverted evilangelist uses "proof-texting" to speciously rationalize sociopathic drives, this madministration filters and processes information (and misinformation) not based on veracity, but based on mendacity. They treat their own opinion as revelation, belief as fact, fealty as honor, and motives as principles; they view themselves as crusaders, presumptively the 'good' whose opponents are, by definition, 'evil'. Arrogance, elitism, condescension, and self-righteousness are pervasive behavioral traits among them all. The inmates are in charge of the asylum.

[realFedUp]

19. Russert is just a potato head.

I know, kindegarten phrase but mealy is the only
descriptive word I can think of this time of the morning.

Russert is ready to pin down Dean on the numbers of
military in Iraq, but can't counter Rummy on what 19
countries are even serious about sending in troops?

[gratuitous]

20. Another pertinent question about timing

Remember as a quarter million troops were converging on Iraq, and President Stupidhead was putting out the lie, "I haven't made up my mind yet on whether to use the military"? For months, Bush postured like Hamlet about whether he would resolve the situation militarily or not.

Well, if what Mr. Honest Christian said was at all true, wouldn't it stand to reason that his State of the Whatever You Call It Speech would show a similar ambiguity? Instead, every unresolved issue, every close call was answered in favor of invasion, or presented in a light that would argue for invasion over every other option. I know what it's called when I see the officials at a sporting event do that.

[Cheswick2.0]

22. Very Good Pete

Please consider sending this to Congressman Waxman. Isn't he the guy who has started the investigation?