I just heard something that made up my mind about the new pope

[Lindacooks]

and it ain't good. Keith Olbermann just said that this man once called the church pedophile scandal a 'media conspiracy'.

This is NOT a good man. Anyone who excuses and shelters pedophile is a criminal.

[thecai]

1. Agreed.

Sounds like he's a part of the conspiracy-cover-ups.

[recoveringrepublican]

2. Guess "let the little children come to me" must mean something

different in German?

[Fenris]

4. "Suffer little children unto me"

Should be changed to "Suffer little children under me."

[NAO]

3. Isn't he the guy who tried to keep Kerry from getting communion?

because he was pro-choice?

"and it ain't good. Keith Olbermann just said that this man once called the church pedophile scandal a 'media conspiracy'. This is NOT a good man. Anyone who excuses and shelters pedophile is a criminal."

Agreed.

Jon Stewart did a bit on The Daily Show with parody "attack ads" run by the rival Pope candidates. Maybe someone should produce genuine attack ads about this Rat Zinger.

[Lindacooks]

5. Yep, the one and the same.

[Dover]

6. It could be that BOTH are true....

The Bushies might have been using the pedophile problem as leverage to get the Catholic leadership onboard.

That's pretty much how they operate...dig up the dirt and use it.

[NAO]

9. You mean like Rove did "opposition research" and "leveraged" the conclave

into choosing a candidate of his liking?

Sounds like something Karl Rove would do, or wish he had thought of himself if he did not actually do it.

[Dover]

13. Well..the Catholic leadership DID fall in line behind the pro-life and gay

issues just prior to the election and made a difference...even though many practicing Catholics are not in agreement. So you have to wonder why the huge shift....?

[Name removed]

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[Lindacooks]

35. Here's the original source:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1020400,00.html

<snip>

"The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of 'strictest' secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunication.

They also call for the victim to take an oath of secrecy at the time of making a complaint to Church officials. It states that the instructions are to 'be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries.'

The document, which has been confirmed as genuine by the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, is called 'Crimine solicitationies', which translates as 'instruction on proceeding in cases of solicitation'.

<snip>

Lawyers point to a letter the Vatican sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then. The letter is signed by Cardinal Ratzinger, the most powerful man in Rome beside the Pope and who heads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - the office which ran the Inquisition in the Middle Ages."

[Gloria]

14. Didn't Bush have some sort of big meeting while he was over

in Rome?? At the time, my first thought was that he was meddling....

[NVMojo]

7. I can't even look at his face, I see vile corruption.

[zann725]

20. I "see" a snake.

n/t

[Solly Mack]

8. I must admit that calling the rape of children a "media conspiracy"

is the exact same thing as Rummy blaming the cameras for the abuse at Abu Ghraib.

[Frances]

10. The new pope is a Republican

No doubt about it!

[Is It Fascism Yet]

11. Of course he's not good! He was a Nazi gunner in World War II!

He hoped Hitler would succeed with his genocide, he thought it was a good idea! Of course he is not a good man! Damn! It is unfathomable, reprehensible and unconscionable that persons sanctimoniously pretending to be pious could have elected a Nazi who covers up child molestation as the head of their religion and the earthly representation of their lord! But, what's the difference? Catholicism in the 21st century seems to be all about spreading aids by forbidding condoms and hording wealth in the form of ancient artifacts in Vatican City. God, am I glad I gave up being a Catholic!

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[IndianaGreen]

18. The Vatican's bio on Ratzinger says he was a gunner for AA artillery

He spent his adolescent years in Traunstein, and was called into the auxiliary anti-aircraft service in the last months of World War II.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/elezione/biografia_en.html

He was shooting at our pilots that were bombing Hitler's factories!

[Name removed]

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[IndianaGreen]

23. He helped load the guns!

He was part of Hitler's war machine no matter how you slice it!

[Name removed]

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[IndianaGreen]

37. Hitler Youth did fight in the war!

By their usual activities, one would think they were no more than a "Boy Scout" organization: their meetings were often and regular, they learned inspiring songs, went camping, had field trips and activities and met for large rallies. The "Hitlerjugend", or "Hitler Youth" Party was far more than just a wholesome young people's activities agency: it was the para-military training bed for a generation of soldiers and "True Believers" for the Third Reich.

The Hitlerjugend, or Hitler Youth grew early out of existing German boys and girls associations. In 1926, on National Party Day, before Hitler had taken office as Chancellor and President, the formal Youth Party was founded with only about 300 members. Before the War years were out, the number would grow to close to 9 million, due in large part to the compulsory membership requirement established in 1940. This requirement mandated that all children (but particularly boys) belong to the HJ, giving the Third Reich complete control over the generation to come.

<snip>

As of 1940, the Germans were training their male youth in combat and para-combat arts. A special division, the 12th Panzer Division SS was comprised of "Hitler Youth" and were nicknamed "Candy Soldiers" by the allied troops. While at first these younger soldiers often trained since 10 were put in less dangerous positions, as the war increased, their role increased also, until Hitler had even young teenagers fighting for the Reich.

The results of a generation of boys sent to battle was the subsequent semi-literacy and illiteracy of the same generation post-war. The HItlerjugend had formed the concept early of blind obedience and was perhaps even more rigourous in their adherence to "fuhrer-worship" and unquestioning obedience to authority. Brought up as sons and daughters of a cruel state, they were also cruel and anti-Semitic in their outlook: it had been trained in them since early. The effects of a generation trained in war, for war and in racial intolerance, meant that the post-war years would not see an immediate end to Anti-Semitism in Europe.

http://www.shoaheducation.com/HJ.html

[Is It Fascism Yet]

24. Sorry, not a lie. It's the sorry ugly truth. I don't like it either. NT

[Is It Fascism Yet]

30. Oh, where to begin to address your tirade?....

Yes, forbidding the use of condoms has cost millions of lives by spreading aids. That's science, not Poop fiction. Catholics live in every country in the world. Some countries have excessively high rates of AIDS infections, and they also have catholics who catch AIDS because it's a sin to wear a condom. AIDS is being spread by this crutch (church) policy. You might not like to face that fact, but it is fact, nonetheless, even if you rave. Okay, next rave topic, the man in fact was a Nazi, he called himself a Nazi, and the fact that he fought as a Nazi gunner proves he thought Hitler's ideas of genocide were good ideas, otherwise, why would he try to help Hitler by being his Nazi gunner? Okay? I mean, that's simple, and so is the condom thing. If you want to deny that ancient wealth is horded in the Vatican, it just proves you've never been there. Rave away, it changes naught. The hypocrisy of the falsely pious is reprehensible.

[Placebo]

16. Well at least he eventually changed his mind!

*ducks*

[Is It Fascism Yet]

32. What makes you think so? Did he say he was sorry? Did he say

he has a brotherly love for Jews, Gypsies, and Gays? Did he ever say he was wrong? What makes you think he changed his mind?

[Erika]

17. This man turns me cold.

Big chill.

[BuyingThyme]

21. Correction:

Anyone who shelters pedophiles is a pedophile.

Pedophilia is a crime. Any person who participates -- irrespective of whether or not they EVER touch a child -- is a pedophile.

Ratzinger is a pedophile.

[Placebo]

22. When did Pope Benedict XVI ever directly shelter a known pedophile(s)?

I must have missed that one.

He's no Cardinal Law. He's bad...but not Law bad.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

25. Yeah, afraid so, haven't got a link but there is a DU thread main page

with a link to news stories saying he covered up complaints of pedophilia.

[BuyingThyme]

28. Link:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1020400,00.html

[Is It Fascism Yet]

31. Thank you! n/t

[BuyingThyme]

26. Apparently since at least 1962.

He's the monster who keeps the secret investigations secret and maintains an environment in which children can be raped.

From what I can tell, this is one of his primary duties. He's a professional pedophile. (I'm not joking.)

Edit: Oh yeah...he is Law bad. He's Law's insider. In fact, I think he's directly responsible for Law's latest promotion. Pedophilia pays at the Vatican.

[Placebo]

27. EEK. That's not good.

One more mark on the "negative" side for Papa Ratzi.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Ratzinger protected the pedophiles, according to a victim

April 20, 2005 4:05 AM

New pope shelved sex abuse claim, accuser says

By Alistair Bell

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A former trainee priest who has accused the founder of an influential Catholic order of sexual abuse said on Tuesday that new Pope Benedict XVI deliberately shelved a probe into his claims for six years.

Jose Barba is one of eight ex-members of the Rome-based Legion of Christ, most of them Mexicans, who accuse the order's founder, Marcial Maciel, of sexually abusing them from the 1940s through the 1960s.

The allegations are too old to be investigated under criminal law but nine former members brought a suit against Maciel, 84, under the Vatican's canonical law in 1998. One has since died.

The case was filed at the Church's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who was elected Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday.

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5701468&cKey=1113962737000

Posted in LBN by NNN0LHI:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1407547

[Placebo]

33. Thanks!

The disturbing info just continues to mount and mount...

[seemslikeadream]

36. Vatican Asks Rice to Help With Lawsuit

Friday, March 4, 2005; Page A22

A senior Vatican official asked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to intervene in a sexual abuse lawsuit in Louisville that names the Vatican as a defendant, but she declined, a Roman Catholic newspaper reported yesterday.

The National Catholic Reporter, in a dispatch from Rome, said Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's secretary of state, made the request during Rice's Feb. 8 visit to the Vatican. Quoting unnamed Vatican sources, the newspaper said Rice explained that under U.S. law, foreign states are required to assert claims of sovereign immunity themselves.

The suit pending in U.S. District Court in Louisville is one of many sexual abuse claims in recent years that have listed the Holy See among the defendants. Judges generally have dismissed such claims either on First Amendment grounds or because of the immunity that foreign governments enjoy from many kinds of lawsuits. But the Kentucky case is unusual because it is a class-action lawsuit and the Vatican is the sole defendant.

Sodano's decision to raise the matter with Rice "suggests concern in Rome that sooner or later its immunity may give way, exposing the Vatican to potentially crippling verdicts," the National Catholic Reporter said. The newspaper quoted Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls as saying, "It's obvious and reasonable that the Holy See would present its positions as a sovereign entity to the American State Department, and recall the immunity for its acts that international law anticipates."
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