Now that Jeffords is retiring, Dean can gracefully leave as chairman

[billbuckhead]

I for one am sick of being kicked in the teeth by this moran. I'm surprised he wasn't at the NRA convention.

[YEM]

1. Excuse me?

Who is the "moran?"

[Cuban_Liberal]

2. He's not going to do so.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050420/ap_on_el_se/jeffords__re_election

"...Former Gov. Howard Dean, now the chair of the Democratic National Committee, had long been rumored as a possible candidate. But Karen Finney, a top aide to Dean, said the former Vermont governor and 2004 presidential hopeful will not run for the Senate because he's committed to his new duties at the DNC...."

[WI_DEM]

3. I'd love to have Dean as Senator

but he is doing a great job as DNC Chairman and he will help the party make impressive gains, I predict, in 2006.

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[LynneSin]

5. Great idea, let's see if we can get Terry MacAuffile back as the chair...

...since we all know what a fabulous job he did these past couple of elections

:sarcasm:

[billbuckhead]

8. Dean will run to keep a real liberal like Sanders from winning

Mark my words.

[wicket]

10. Dean already has said he's not running

:shrug:

[Cuban_Liberal]

12. That was already pointed out in my previous post.

But why let facts get in the way of a good bash?

:sarcasm:

[wicket]

15. sorry- didn't mean to be redundant

[Cuban_Liberal]

38. You weren't.

I was just pointing out that the O/P had already had that pointed out to him.

:hi:

[WI_DEM]

16. I'll take a piece of that

also I can remember some people who said that he was only using DNC Chair to run for president, well, he took himself out of that race too.

[LynneSin]

18. huh?

Um, I don't think so. Obviously you've not actually followed or read anything that Dean has been talking about. He's very focused on the job at hand which is getting the democrats back in control. But go ahead and tighten that tinfoil hat :shrug:

[dsc]

73. Bernie Sanders has the exact, precise, same position on guns

as does Dean and has repeatedly been endorsed by the NRA. So if Dean isn't a real liberal due to that, then why is Sanders?

[NYCGirl]

75. Great point! NT

[SteppingRazor]

6. So anyone who doesn't favor tighter gun control is a "moran"?

Even if they're from a rural state like Vermont? Oh, brother. Like Dean himself has said, what's good for someplace like Vermont may not be what's good for New York City. Gun laws are the sorts of things that should be handled from state to state, and even on a municipal level... Now leave me and my heat alone! :)

[billbuckhead]

11. Dean brags about being endorsed 8 times by the morons at the NRA

so that makes him a moron.Isn't that kind of like bragging about being in the same bed as Tom Delay--Ell Miller--Ted Nugent--ad nauseum? Now, fake Democrat Dean is going after a womans right to choose. Dean was strangely silent about the bankruptcy-credit card bill. Dean is a hoax.

[WI_DEM]

17. fake democrat?

he has done more for this party in the last two years than anybody I can remember. Because of Dean more and more Democrats are acting like Democrats.

[billbuckhead]

21. Really? I see no evidence of that whatsoever.

[WI_DEM]

26. Oh really?

John Kerry credited Dean with helping revive the Democratic party. I think Senator Reid is another example--a Senate Majority Leader who has taken on the Reps very strongly--I see these as Dean's influence. Not to mention the great sums of money raised from the grass roots thanks to Dean's formula--everybody is doing that now.

[LynneSin]

23. Yeah, and guess what - those "morans" at the NRA are doing a good job...

...of getting republicans elected.

Pretty good for a bunch of dumbasses!

I come from a family of NRA members and despite being Union to the core they will not vote for anyone who threatens law-abiding citizens from owning guns. And btw, these people are happy with the current state of gun control - some are even fine with checks at gun shows. But they have limits.

These are Union people that will put guns ahead of their Union jobs. I've yet to figure that one out - but welcome to Middle AMerica.

Dean's attitude is not to support guns or ban abortions. Republicans have done a great job these past 20 years vilifying anyone who shouts "Gun Control" or "Choice". We need to step back a bit and take a look at their rhetoric vs. ours. Poll after poll shows that America is ok with gun control and choice for women and yet for the past 5 years we keep election NRA, Fetus-loving repukes. It's not our platform that we need to modify - it's the package of how we deliver it. Dean has been sucessful and that's an tactic we need to work on with the rest of the party.

[beevul]

56. Wait just a minute...

I could swear that is was the word of GAWD, that the NRA NEVER endorsed a Democrat...

Beyond that, theres nothing like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, eh?

The ACLU has been on the same side of an issue as the KKK, so I guess we should all line up to piss all over the ACLU too, right?

Ya gonna call Russ Feingold a hoax too, since he supports RKBA, and voted AGAINST the AWB (and the patriot act)?

[OrlandoGator]

78. Please cite one...just one...time Dean "bragged" about NRA ratings.

Pretty please? With sugar on top?

[BeachBuckeye]

88. I don't know that I have ever read a more ignorant comment on this board

Obviously, you don't have a clue as to what Howard Dean believes. I had a long conversation with Governor Dean this past Monday evening at dinner and I can tell you that he is steadfast in his belief of "choice" and he thinks the bankruptcy bill was a disaster.

And, politically speaking you believe that being endorsed by the NRA is a BAD thing then you have no idea as to what politics are all about. There are a hell of a lot of Democrats who belong to the NRA. I certainly don't agree with many of that organizations views but a Democrat getting their endorsement is a very positive thing indeed.

[Teaser]

7. A shame we can't downrate these posts

in addition to uprating them.

[w13rd0]

13. No kidding...

...it seems "some people" think they have a purpose, and don't deviate from it. I can always count on "some people" to throw flamebait. "Some people" are better off ignored, they have nothing to contribute anyway.

[donheld]

72. I'm with you

this one should go down fast.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. Get over yourself.

What, did Howard Dean kick your dog or something? What the hell is your problem anyway?

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[billbuckhead]

19. First time I've been called a freeper

This is first time in 4+ years on DU , I've been called freeper. Around 10 times more Americans are killed by guns every year than were killed on 9-11, Brookings Institute statistics used in Congress tell of $100 billions of dollars in damages from guns in America and on top of this we have one of the highest populations in jail of advanced nations. You can defend all that as part of the America way of life, but don't call me a freeper cause I'm against this mess. Don't call me freeper cause I think that 50,000 wounded people every year in America are less important than those killed and wounded in Iraq.20+ other advanced nations don't have this and they don't have these promiscous gun laws. The correllation is obvous to all but those unwilling to see it.

Dean is real cavalier about this and now he's doing the same wishywashything thing on reproductive rights.

[WI_DEM]

22. well it didn't stop you from calling a real democrat like Dean

a "fake Democrat", so stop crying if somebody uses your rhetoric against you.

[beevul]

55. Hows that shoe working out for you...

now that its on YOUR foot?

How does it feel to be in the position that so many of us pro-gun Democrats have been in? Called freeper because you're critical of a Democrats gun positions. You could not possibly have thought you'd just get a free pass, nor should you get one IMO. It seems some folks who had forgotten, are remembering something extremely important - Gun control is nowhere near as important as government control. Getting back DEMOCRATIC control of this government, or at least a PORTION of it.

Sadly, it appears you are not one of them. I mean...feel free to correct me if I am wrong.



"Around 10 times more Americans are killed by guns every year than were killed on 9-11"

Only if one included suicides, is this true.

"20+ other advanced nations don't have this and they don't have these promiscous gun laws."

Japan has no "promiscous gun laws", yet thier suicide rate is higher than here in the USA. Please explain that, if guns are the problem.

Aproximately a hundred million guns did not kill/wound anyone today, and wont this year, in the USA. Tell me again, how are guns the problem?

This anti-gun idealogical "purity" that you seem to be a believer in...Tell me, what has it GAINED this party?

[billbuckhead]

80. NRA Dems are just as bad as any other NRAer's or freepers

If we're going to call each names, then lets put the shoe on the right foot.

Americas promiscuous gun laws enable the highest level of murder of advanced nations and no matter how gun nuts twist it they can't can't disprove that.

[VelmaD]

20. You might wanta check...

the person you're yelling at has been here a couple of years longer than you and was here well prior to Memogate.

And the rules do forbid calling people freepers.

[RubyDuby in GA]

34. Well then perhaps he shouldn't act like one.

And I don't particularly give a flying fuck how long he's been here. His point is saying that Dean isn't a real Democrat. I think Dean has more than proven that he's one of the few real ones left in that shambles known as the national party.

If he wants to make a point about gun control, fine, by all means, do so, but don't smear the guy who has been put in charge of picking up the pieces of the very broken democratic party. It's not constructive and serves no purpose other than to flamebait, which I believe is against the rules too.

[madfloridian]

48. Amen about Dean being a Democrat. Over the line to say he is not.

:hi:

[billbuckhead]

83. Telling the truth about failed candidate Dean is smearing him

Telling the truth about America's failed gun policies also is verboten to "the scared of the NRA crowd".

[Crazy Guggenheim]

24. Dean has always been pro-2nd Amend. So hasn't ........

Michael Moore. Dave Cobb (G) is a gun owner. Along with Mike Malloy. There are many left of center people who are gun owners and pro 2nd Amendment. I personally do not like the NRA because they have caused a lot of harm. However I think it does show that not all "libruls" want to take away your guns".

[billbuckhead]

30. Mike Malloy and Michael Moore aren't for assault rifles and sniper rifles

Dean basically is bragging that the Tom DeLay- Wayne LaPierre-Grover Norquist-Ted Nugent-Charlton Heston -Zell Miller crowd endorsed him 8 times.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

32. Dean is for the AWB!! Pluuueeezzz!

[beevul]

61. Bill bill bill...

Assault rifles, as YOU and many others have been told repeatedly, have been heavily regulated since 1934.

I wonder why it is that you continue to talk as if they weren't?


Sniper rifles? What do sniper rifles have to do with any of this?

Dean, he seems successful as governor. Wonder why that is?

I know, I know...because hes a fake Democrat, like you said. :eyes:

[dsc]

74. and they endorsed Sanders too.

[Clark Bayh 2008]

25. Good points - Dean will be more use in the Senate as an attack dog

Plus we can move a red state dem in to run the DNC.
Maybe even a Clarkie.

[billbuckhead]

35. Watch and see if Dean doesn't help the DLC & protect the seat from Sanders

It's not what they say, it's what they do.

[RetroLounge]

27. Still Dean-Hating I see.

:yawn:

RL

[WilliamPitt]

28. Worst. Thread. Ever.

[VelmaD]

29. Oh, I dunno, Will...

have you developed selective amnesia for the entire time-span of the primaries? Every day had MUCH MUCH worse than this.

[WilliamPitt]

31. It's not the primaries anymore

And I am so fucking bored of the apparently insurmountable gene within lefties that compels them to kick other lefties in the balls.

Wanna know why we lose elections? Look up-thread.

[wicket]

33. It's the circular firing-squad Will

And it's got to stop.

[endarkenment]

41. I agree, sort of.

The problem is that the DP is in fact infected with 'leaders' who seem to have positions identical with the republican party on a whole spectrum of issues. I do not count Dr. Dean in that group.

A nightmare scenario is that we finally manage to win a national election again, but in doing so we put in power a bunch of demo-toadies who are basically indistinguishable from the clowns we finally managed to convince people to vote out.

So on the one hand, we have to stop parsing every phrase of every democratic leader and attacking anything that smacks of incorrectness, but on the other hand we need to make sure that the covert agents of the darkside are not running the party.

We need discipline and solidarity.

[VelmaD]

37. Well, that and the other side cheats

:)

I'm with you on our perpetial propensity for friendly fire. It's ridiculous. If you ever figure out a way to get us to stop...I'll pick up your bar tab...for life.

[Gold Metal Flake]

54. But Will, a thread like this builds character.

Oops. I mean't to spell that p o s t c o u n t.

[WilliamPitt]

60. So does getting beaten with sticks

Doesn't make it a good idea.

[Arkana]

96. I am SO GLAD I was not a member during the primaries.

I've heard stories from the people that were. It was worse than Vietnam--is that true? :P

[billbuckhead]

36. Thanx. Want to bet Dean runs?

Want to bet Dean runs?

[WilliamPitt]

39. I couldn't care less

If he does, he'll weather the primaries or he won't. Speculation at this point is useless. So are brainless attacks on allies.

Congrats.

[billbuckhead]

43. Brainless attacks on allies? Is the NRA our allies?

Gun regulation advocates and reproductive rights advocates have long been bases in the Democratic party and Dean tries to "Sister Souljah" us, feed us to the alligators, sacrifice us, to whore to redneck fundie voters. Remember Dean's incompetence about the Confederate Flag and cultural issues scuttled his campaign. remember Dean isquoting the Bible? Remember that Dean lost the rural states of Iowa and New Hampshire? Oh, and every other rural state but Vermont.

The NRA just had a big hatefest, do suppose we should act like the NRA are allies? Remember Zell Millers NRA keynote speech was the first indication that Zell was off the tracks?

The NRA is nothing less than Bush-DeLay Brownshirts and if we can't tell the truth about them, we got real problems beyond fighting among ourselves.

[w13rd0]

59. You seem to mistake...

...being endorsed by the NRA for speaking at their convention. NAMBLA might endorse a candidate, or Fred Phelps, but that doesn't mean that candidate went to a meeting or shook the mans hand, or even AGREES WITH THEM on whatever is driving the whackiness.

Why am I bothering? I've seen this debate before, and I've seen you as a participant. And it's always the same thing.

:p

[Cuban_Liberal]

40. I'll take your bet! $100 cash, payable via Pay Pal.

What do ya say, billbuckhead?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

68. CL you won! eom.

[BeachBuckeye]

89. As will I

Its a sucker bet. Put up or shut up!

[QC]

65. Consider the source. n/t

[Crazy Guggenheim]

42. According to another thread. Bernie Sanders is going to run!!

No information yet.

[goodhue]

44. not going to happen

Bernie Sanders will make a great US senator.

[madfloridian]

45. Kick so you get the news Dean has already said no run.

Kick.

[cry baby]

46. Dang...I've missed part of the show.

:popcorn:

[NYCGirl]

47. No big deal. It's a rerun from billbuckhead. It's always the same. NT

[cry baby]

49. I haven't paid any attention to him, so I didn't know what he's about.

Thanks for the ummmm...warning.

PS I love Dr. Dean!!!!!

[QC]

66. If you miss today's thread, you can catch tomorrow's.

Since they're always just the same cut 'n paste jobs, you won't actually miss anything.

[madfloridian]

50. Yep. Keeping the show going.

Always.

:kick:

[madfloridian]

51. Not going to run.

Not going to run.

Not going to run.

[ArtVandaley]

52. No way

Dean is the perfect choice for DNC chair, keep him there.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

53. Dean probably should have gone to the NRA convention. He .....

probably would have converted most of them.

SANDERS IS RUNNNG!

[madfloridian]

57. Dean announces no run for Jeffords seat.

Just to let you know.

Not going to run.

[Larkspur]

58. I see the DLC clowns have been sent out of the Mental Ward again

Dean said that he would not run for senator. His first duty is to his DNC obligation.

[madfloridian]

62. Not going to run.

Just saying.

[FredScuttle]

63. Not going to run?

What's that you say?

[LoZoccolo]

64. I for one am sick of reading your abrasive posts.

:hi:

[ProudToBeLiberal]

67. You GOT TOLD

Spokeswoman says Dean won't run for Senate

MONTPELIER, Vt. Howard Dean isn't interested. A spokeswoman says Dean won't be running for the Senate seat that is opening up from Vermont -- now that independent Jim Jeffords won't be running for re-election next year.


http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=3236685
______________________________________________________________
Pay up the 100 bucks to cuban_liberal. You talk the talk but can you walk the walk. Pay up.

[Larkspur]

70. He should donate it to the DNC so that Dean can help wean Dems off

the corporate teats.

[billbuckhead]

76. The jury's still out.

[billbuckhead]

77. The jury's still out.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

69. keep this thread up so the op can see. nt

[donheld]

71. Honey, you came to the wrong place to bash Howard Dean

You'll get no support from me.

[solinvictus]

79. That's right, Dr. Dean passes out machine guns at rallies..

please, get over it. :eyes: :eyes:

[amazona]

82. hey

Where's my free machine gun?

:-)

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[solinvictus]

84. I want mine, too.

A German MG-42 in 7.62 NATO, a spare bolt and parts kit, two barrels, and about 6K rounds of ammo on links. That ought to do it!!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

85. I got a cross-bow at one.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

90. Damn did they have good old yew long bows? nt

[amazona]

81. I don't get the connection?

Why should Dean leave? I rather wish Jeffords wouldn't.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

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[madfloridian]

87. It is therapy for him.

He feels better. Ludicrous..
:hi:

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[Arkana]

94. Were you LOOKING for a flamewar?

Dean's the best man for the DNC Chair job. He's breathing life back into the dead Democratic Party.

[LittleClarkie]

95. Note I am a Kerrycrat

And that is an unfair assessment of what Dean is about.

We don't need hims to gracefully leave as Chairman. We need him to complete his half finished job in the South and in the grassroots.

[Writer]

97. Congratulations! You just ignited a flame war!

:nuke:

:popcorn:

[Moderator]

98. Locking.

Yes, this has become a flame fest.

Thanks for your consideration.
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